Scouting Doesn't Matter?

[KBLover]

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I've never been able to figure out a proper scouting strategy, and judging from the realization that scouting serves zero purpose at all, I'm starting to think their never was a good strategy and that scouting has always just kinda been there for cosmetic purposes. Either that, or it's been so long since they've changed anything with it, it's starting to break. Not enough info on prospects either.

The discovery part just seems to be there for...I don't know why, honestly. Especially now that it's been "discovered" that it's not even showing "hidden" players in the pool (i.e. how OOTP does it, maintaining actually hidden players that aren't "created on the fly" as you discover them), but creating and basically overwriting existing players. Why? What even? Seriously.

I think the only good strategy has been mentioned - forget "discovery" scout who's on your list (especially from year 2 onwards where a big list of "scouted" prospects show up out of the blue on opening day...for whatever reason), and then use that + whoever shows up on draft day to make your draft.

[bobloblah1980]

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Or both of you could just simply reanswer the question, or at least quote the original answer in a response, instead of answering in a contentious and condescending way while offering no help to the contrary. I wasn't trying to discredit anything, and I did read through the posts initially and missed that part while all I saw was Fours claiming stuff HE saw, but not many others backing it up, but trying to get clarification... which is ALL I was doing.

Did you bother to think about that before responding in a rude manner? Did I blatantly insult either of you an any way? Because I sure wasn't trying to be, just trying to stay informed on this. Afterall, some of us don't have time to go back and read through 20 long posts again when the more simple way is to ask what the person is referring to. Telling me to go back and read through all the posts for just one simple answer is just unnecessary and I said nothing in a rude way.

So, let me say I'm sorry you both can't seem to realize not everyone's trying to be a punk on the internet and can't differentiate between that and a harmless question.

But I digress...

Whoa bud, I think you took those answers waaaay to personal.

[tessl]

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Whoa bud, I think you took those answers waaaay to personal.

Question - If I decide to scout for example for infielders with speed and the game "finds" some guy fitting my parameters does that reduce the pool of players who would otherwise be available on draft day? If so is it a one for one replacement. For example, if I "find" 20 guys do those guys replace 20 guys from the draft pool or does the draft pool get larger by 20 guys?

Thanks

[bigd51]

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Whoa bud, I think you took those answers waaaay to personal.

Personal, no. Just simple common courtesy. If you asked me to clarify something and I said 'go back and find it yourself', you'd probably find it rude too. I guess I'm old-fashioned like that.

Question - If I decide to scout for example for infielders with speed and the game "finds" some guy fitting my parameters does that reduce the pool of players who would otherwise be available on draft day? If so is it a one for one replacement. For example, if I "find" 20 guys do those guys replace 20 guys from the draft pool or does the draft pool get larger by 20 guys?

Thanks

I don't know if this correlates with your question, but after simming through 3 seasons, 200 players were drafted each year. I could be wrong, but I think only 200 players max are drafted on draft day. Each draft was 7 rounds, and while the picks per round varied, the total picks were 200 each time. So, I think the game will trim down the list to 200 for draft day, and the ones not in the draft, re-enter the draft the following year like these other guys have said. And I think Fours said the whole process is kind of random. I've seen so myself now, so it might be hard to tell who replaces who when you discover people, or if they replace anyone at all.

[Fours]

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Did you bother to think about that before responding in a rude manner? Did I blatantly insult either of you an any way? Because I sure wasn't trying to be, just trying to stay informed on this. Afterall, some of us don't have time to go back and read through 20 long posts again when the more simple way is to ask what the person is referring to. Telling me to go back and read through all the posts for just one simple answer is just unnecessary and I said nothing in a rude way.

A few things...

You did have time to read through the entire thread, because you clearly just did.

So what you were really doing was demanding that we summarize the thread because you were too lazy to read it until you were forced to.

Your supposed friendly request for information was phrased in a very argumentative way, you stated an assumption as fact, and challenged us to (nicely?) explain why you were dead wrong.

I don't have time to babysit your blustery ignorance. You obviously knew that the information you were seeking was sitting just a few clicks away.

This is just like when your mom stopped making you sandwiches knowing that when you were hungry enough you would learn to make one for yourself. You can thank us later, kid.

[tessl]

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Personal, no. Just simple common courtesy. If you asked me to clarify something and I said 'go back and find it yourself', you'd probably find it rude too. I guess I'm old-fashioned like that.



I don't know if this correlates with your question, but after simming through 3 seasons, 200 players were drafted each year. I could be wrong, but I think only 200 players max are drafted on draft day. Each draft was 7 rounds, and while the picks per round varied, the total picks were 200 each time. So, I think the game will trim down the list to 200 for draft day, and the ones not in the draft, re-enter the draft the following year like these other guys have said. And I think Fours said the whole process is kind of random. I've seen so myself now, so it might be hard to tell who replaces who when you discover people, or if they replace anyone at all.

Thanks for the reply.

[bigd51]

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A few things...

You did have time to read through the entire thread, because you clearly just did.

So what you were really doing was demanding that we summarize the thread because you were too lazy to read it until you were forced to.

Your supposed friendly request for information was phrased in a very argumentative way, you stated an assumption as fact, and challenged us to (nicely?) explain why you were dead wrong.

I don't have time to babysit your blustery ignorance. You obviously knew that the information you were seeking was sitting just a few clicks away.

This is just like when your mom stopped making you sandwiches knowing that when you were hungry enough you would learn to make one for yourself. You can thank us later, kid.

Kid. Says the one who just couldn't help himself from digging into one the oldest and worn out plays still making it's round on the internet today... the mommy insults. Another blind assumption on your part thinking I'm somehow younger than you because you say so.

And for goodness sake, learn some sense of comprehension. I said I INITIALLY READ the posts, but admitted I overlooked the part about the overhead of prospects carrying over to the next draft and that you were correct when I noticed it myself, so what exactly are you looking for? Because apparently, all you're searching for is imaginary high-fives from strangers on the web and I'm not going to participate in you're little ego trip up here. We're all looking for answers up here, so there's really no need for any of it. Again, I'm sorry you misunderstood my meaning, but that's not really my fault when you don't bother to verify your assumptions before acting on them. That's Adult 101. Learn it, live it, love it. Until you do... sir... I can't help you.

Now... are we done here? By all means, you can continue, but I see no point in continue to debate with you if you can't even get past one sensible response without a mom joke. Come on, man.

[bigd51]

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The discovery part just seems to be there for...I don't know why, honestly. Especially now that it's been "discovered" that it's not even showing "hidden" players in the pool (i.e. how OOTP does it, maintaining actually hidden players that aren't "created on the fly" as you discover them), but creating and basically overwriting existing players. Why? What even? Seriously.

I think the only good strategy has been mentioned - forget "discovery" scout who's on your list (especially from year 2 onwards where a big list of "scouted" prospects show up out of the blue on opening day...for whatever reason), and then use that + whoever shows up on draft day to make your draft.

I think this is the 'carry-over' from the players you 'discovered' in the previous draft that didn't actually enter the draft the year before.

Based on what I tried last night, I don't think you have any opening day, pre-scouted prospects show up if you don't discover prospects from the previous draft. Try simming the first two years with scouting set to manual. If you don't discover/scout anyone the first year, there shouldn't be any opening day 'red' prospects on the list for the second year.

[bobloblah1980]

Kinda sorta.. it will replace 20 different people. But it may take a couple years for those 20 to make the draft ..bit on the flip side there is a possiblity that the players you dicover "could be" of a higher caliber than the ones predetermined for the draft.. thats where it becomes random

[NDAlum]

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No more bickering or banned.

Thanks

[tessl]

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From what I have gathered reading this thread, correct me if I'm wrong.

If you don't scout at all, just hire the cheapest scouts and do nothing with them, there will be 200 players in the draft and all their attributes will be accurate on draft day.

If I discover players they will replace others who would have been in the draft.

If that's wrong please correct me.

Question - If I discover and scout some players - lets say I discover and scout 50 players. The draft contains 200 players. On draft day will the 150 player who I did not discover or scout all have accurate attributes like they would if I didn't scout them?

Thanks for the information.

[NDAlum]

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From what I have gathered reading this thread, correct me if I'm wrong.

If you don't scout at all, just hire the cheapest scouts and do nothing with them, there will be 200 players in the draft and all their attributes will be accurate on draft day.

I'm not sure it's 200 but every single person will be 100% scouted.

If I discover players they will replace others who would have been in the draft.

If that's wrong please correct me.

I'm not 100% certain on this. I will say that when I didn't scout a single person I had many more blue chip (blue circle) players in the draft pool. When I scouted players I would get a varied amount of blue chip guys.

Question - If I discover and scout some players - lets say I discover and scout 50 players. The draft contains 200 players. On draft day will the 150 player who I did not discover or scout all have accurate attributes like they would if I didn't scout them?

Thanks for the information.

I found it was rather random. I could find this absolute stud 3B and it isn't a guarantee he will be in the draft pool. He could be 22 years old and only 1-2 years away from the MLB but he could carry over to the next year.

If you save your franchise prior to entering the MLB Draft you can restart and see that new players will enter the draft. So yea it's randomized somehow.

[bobloblah1980]

You are correct on the 1st part.. as for the 50 players..its possible that all 50 will be in the draft but not neccessarily it could be 175/ 25,180/20, that part is more random.. but yes the rest of the prospects should be accurate

[bigd51]

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You are correct on the 1st part.. as for the 50 players..its possible that all 50 will be in the draft but not neccessarily it could be 175/ 25,180/20, that part is more random.. but yes the rest of the prospects should be accurate

I'd concur. I think who shows up in the draft is random, whether you discover players or not.

At least now I know why I kept seeing less and less blue chippers the more seasons into Franchise. I think I might just say forget scouting altogether. Maybe it will cut down on the league being pitcher dominant in future seasons. Hopefully, anyway.

[tessl]

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I'm not sure it's 200 but every single person will be 100% scouted.



I'm not 100% certain on this. I will say that when I didn't scout a single person I had many more blue chip (blue circle) players in the draft pool. When I scouted players I would get a varied amount of blue chip guys.



I found it was rather random. I could find this absolute stud 3B and it isn't a guarantee he will be in the draft pool. He could be 22 years old and only 1-2 years away from the MLB but he could carry over to the next year.

If you save your franchise prior to entering the MLB Draft you can restart and see that new players will enter the draft. So yea it's randomized somehow.

Thanks for the reply.