Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

[cusefan74]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

I'm not sure I'm correctly interpreting, but it sounds like you agree the events happen at a greater frequency than they do in real life, which would support my previous statements including my position that it's erroneous to dismiss these issues on the basis of "that's just baseball". You accept these things because it is a video game.

I don't necessarily disagree with your statements. My intention with bringing up the frequency of those events was to discredit the "that's just baseball" responses, which seem to pop up every time an issue is posted.

I think there are a lot of good possible explanations for many of these issues, ranging from user skill/performance to bad algorithms. But I don't find the "that's just baseball" response to be a valid explanation in most cases.

No you understood it right on. I do agree, things happen in the game more then real life, but not to much. I just don't think they are overdone in the game.

[kehlis]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

Does this happen too much throughout the whole game or is it what you would consider a normal rate for any part of the game that doesn't involve runners in scoring position.

Does it happen to the cpu with runners in scoring position at the same rate it happens to you?

[rushinplayallgame]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

it happens to me a lot when I swing at bad pitches, and sometimes just because it's a strike doesn't mean it's a good pitch to hit, try to increase your batting patience, with less then 2 strikes- I never swing unless I love the pitch, a slider away that I can slap to the opposite field, or a dead red fastball I can power out of the park, and when I've been stung by a pitch a couple times- like curve balls kill me, I just start refusing to swing at them. just some helpful advice I figured out, actually I stole it from rex hudler, I wouldn't know what anything is called without watching all those games.

[TheRealC7R]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

With user-controlled hitting, I don't think there is too much of a problem, other than the occasional 4SFB that is squared up, solid green, only for it to die off at the warning track (Camden Yards). Perhaps, it has to do with you being too anxious and committing to bad pitches (we both play on HOF so I know where you're coming from). I've had rallies stall and then when I looked at the batting analysis, it turned out I didn't make solid contact or the pitch was in a good spot. If we're talking RTTS though? I don't know how people play that mode without going grey before time.

[countryboy]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

Are you using zone or directional hitting?

I use zone

[countryboy]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

Didn't you just get through saying you weren't trying to attack me? Seems you changed your mind about that.

Can I ask series questions without you spinning it into anything?

Are you going to provide data information that would allow a legitimate conversation take place or is this simply going to be another thread for you to point out faults without really seeking a legitimate discussion to take place where people could possibly try to help you out or better understand the issues?

Because honestly, your MO is to continue to repeat yourself, draw disagreements with people only to then play a victim role without ever truly addressing the issues, and make backhanded comments about the developers.

Thus far you've only mentioned the issue and then accused people of stroking the Devs ego and then spatted back and forth with people who aren't seeing the issue and offering assistance.

I am willing to discuss this with you providing you're looking for a discussion and not another stage.

[ShowTyme15]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

Can I ask series questions without you spinning it into anything?

Are you going to provide data information that would allow a legitimate conversation take place or is this simply going to be another thread for you to point out faults without really seeking a legitimate discussion to take place where people could possibly try to help you out or better understand the issues?

Because honestly, your MO is to continue to repeat yourself, draw disagreements with people only to then play a victim role without ever truly addressing the issues, and make backhanded comments about the developers.

Thus far you've only mentioned the issue and then accused people of stroking the Devs ego and then spatted back and forth with people who aren't seeing the issue and offering assistance.

I am willing to discuss this with you providing you're looking for a discussion and not another stage.

[Padgoi]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

Can I ask series questions without you spinning it into anything?

Are you going to provide data information that would allow a legitimate conversation take place or is this simply going to be another thread for you to point out faults without really seeking a legitimate discussion to take place where people could possibly try to help you out or better understand the issues?

Because honestly, your MO is to continue to repeat yourself, draw disagreements with people only to then play a victim role without ever truly addressing the issues, and make backhanded comments about the developers.

Thus far you've only mentioned the issue and then accused people of stroking the Devs ego and then spatted back and forth with people who aren't seeing the issue and offering assistance.

I am willing to discuss this with you providing you're looking for a discussion and not another stage.

Do you honestly expect me not to react to a post like that when the clear intent is to belittle me? Anyway, what I will say is that I've made it evident in two other topics now that some of us simply don't have the time to post videos of every instance something happens. Furthermore, I've seen at least 6 videos posted now (not including a few that were posted by me) in other topics that were either ignored or written off as "being baseball." Fact is, once again, if you read this topic, I'm not the only one experiencing it, so you think maybe there's something to that? If one person sees it, you ignore it. If two people see it, you consider it. If three people see it, maybe just maybe we're not all nuts.

[HozAndMoose]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

Do you honestly expect me not to react to a post like that when the clear intent is to belittle me? Anyway, what I will say is that I've made it evident in two other topics now that some of us simply don't have the time to post videos of every instance something happens. Furthermore, I've seen at least 6 videos posted now (not including a few that were posted by me) in other topics that were either ignored or written off as "being baseball." Fact is, once again, if you read this topic, I'm not the only one experiencing it, so you think maybe there's something to that? If one person sees it, you ignore it. If two people see it, you consider it. If three people see it, maybe just maybe we're not all nuts.

If you have the time to make a thread complaining about something you have the time to post a video.

[canes21]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

Here is a video of me playing two games. It also has links to past broadcasts. If you just skip to when I am batting you will see me having runners in scoring position all throughout my games. In the first inning of the video linked I get runners in scoring position and do not pop out or line out. Either the very next inning or in the 3rd I get 2nd and 3rd with one out and hit a ground ball to bring in a run.

Throughout my entire franchise I've seen a game that simulates baseball as amazingly as I've ever seen any sport be reproduced in a video game.

The reason I am posting the link and channel is for you to go through. I have lots of evidence showing that my experience differs from yours. Not just in this topic, but all of your topics about the 'problems' with the game.Do I pop out or line out with RISP? Sometimes, but not at a ridiculous rate. It seems like it happens at the perfect rate that is realistic in my eyes and I would imagine were most to watch my games, they;d agree with me.

http://www.twitch.tv/zmul21/b/667662056

[Padgoi]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

If you have the time to make a thread complaining about something you have the time to post a video.

I guess we should just delete every single topic complaining about something if it doesn't include video proof, as if this isn't a forum for people to vent their frustrations. I didn't realize posting video evidence was a prerequisite of posting a topic here. My apologies.

I'll see if I have time to post a few videos in the coming days. I don't play more than a few games a week max.

[countryboy]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

Do you honestly expect me not to react to a post like that when the clear intent is to belittle me? Anyway, what I will say is that I've made it evident in two other topics now that some of us simply don't have the time to post videos of every instance something happens. Furthermore, I've seen at least 6 videos posted now (not including a few that were posted by me) in other topics that were either ignored or written off as "being baseball." Fact is, once again, if you read this topic, I'm not the only one experiencing it, so you think maybe there's something to that? If one person sees it, you ignore it. If two people see it, you consider it. If three people see it, maybe just maybe we're not all nuts.

I wasn't expecting you to react to anything. I was hoping to get an answer to my questions.

I do think there may be something to it since a few people have experienced it, which is why myself and Kehlis have asked people to put up data. The first post I made in this thread was stating how it isn't as cut and dry as "I'm seeing this too frequently" because there are too many factors that come into play. I don't doubt you're seeing what you're seeing. Never called you a liar, never disputed your claim, other than refusing to accept the vague reason of "I'm seeing this too frequently". I even asked the other poster to play a months worth of games and report back with his data, but I'm not sure he's going to do that.

You continue to make these threads and you continue to have these issues, but you refuse to do anything to help your own cause, and I truly don't understand why? If you are truly, truly, pointing all these things out to better the game, then how come you will not provide data to give not only other members, but the devs something to look at? I'm sorry but "seeing this too frequently" isn't going to solve anything or even get anyone to think that it needs to be addressed. I'm serious. And I know there are videos, but those are simply one occasion/instance. It's hard to take those, when they can simply be written off as "baseball being baseball" as cold hard fact. I can put up 20 videos from my season where crazy things happened. I can also put up 100 videos where nothing strange or miraculous happened as well.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but this whining and complaining without "reason" is old and tiring and does nothing to remedy your issues. In fact, it probably lessens the chances of finding a remedy because there comes a point where it simply becomes the boy who cried wolf.

Once again, you've created a thread and done nothing but repeat your claim, argue with those who refuse to accept a vague explanation or ask for more proof, play the victim, made backhanded comments about the devs, and have done nothing to support your claim.

So I guess when I think about it, I did get an answer to my questions, didn't I.

[HozAndMoose]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

I guess we should just delete every single topic complaining about something if it doesn't include video proof, as if this isn't a forum for people to vent their frustrations. I didn't realize posting video evidence was a prerequisite of posting a topic here. My apologies.

I'll see if I have time to post a few videos in the coming days. I don't play more than a few games a week max.

I would be completely okay with this. The PS4 has a built in recorder. Cost nothing to upload to youtube. Hell a recording from a cell phone is better than no video at all.

https://youtu.be/Aotei3TT53E?t=51s - 4 straight hits with a runner in scoring position and less than 2 outs.

[countryboy]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

I guess we should just delete every single topic complaining about something if it doesn't include video proof, as if this isn't a forum for people to vent their frustrations. I didn't realize posting video evidence was a prerequisite of posting a topic here. My apologies.

I'll see if I have time to post a few videos in the coming days. I don't play more than a few games a week max.

You don't even have to post a video because one video showing this particular event happening isn't going to do anything but draw "baseball being baseball" responses, because it happens in real life as well.

What would really help is recording when this happens in your games and playing a fair amount of games to eliminate the possibility of cold streaks, bad luck, etc...

[HozAndMoose]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

I actually agree there is probably to many pop ups. But it has nothing to do with RISP and less than 2 outs. It happens with any given scenario.