Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

[KBLover]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

That translates to about +/- .015 in batting average in extremes (Clutch rating of 25 and 99)... this is moderate or big depending on how you look at it, but overall it's not giving players unrealistic boosts. Unless you can notice a huge difference between a normal .255 hitter and a super-clutch .270 hitter... whatever "anomalies" you see in the game are not likely due to the Clutch attribute.

Batting average is one thing - but does it impact OPS/OBP/SLG?

Does clutch impact things like discipline or vision? Does it make hits "harder" or "softer"?

[authentic]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

Cubs just flew out twice in a row with runners in scoring position. Immediately thought of this. It does happen in real baseball. I'm going to be honest, I think I hit too well with runners in scoring position. I think my average in my franchise is above .350 with RISP. Maybe I'm just really good at the game, but my friend who plays in the franchise with me isn't nearly as good and he still manages to hit well with RISP. You can't really expect every situation with runners on to result in a hard hit ball.


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[Mrmagoo]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

I for one, after completing a season including Spring Training believe there are far less diving catches or spectacular catches in than game vs real life, especially in the outfield. This is an area that I would love to see them expand upon.

Do or did you have data collected for a basis of that statement? I'd sure like to see your results on the amount of diving catches or stops...

[countryboy]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

Do or did you have data collected for a basis of that statement? I'd sure like to see your results on the amount of diving catches or stops...

No I don't and seeing as how you do not have the game, I don't know why you would need to see the results of any data collected.

But since you asked, I would guess, now this is based on my experience, that the amount of diving catches or spectacular catches in the outfield ratio out to be about 3 to 1 in terms of catches in real life vs in the game. I believe the reason is that there are not enough animations to account for each situation in the outfield where a spectacular play could be made, and also believe that the way the dive plays out, lessens the chances of making a spectacular play. Do they happen? Absolutely, I just think there need to be more animations put into play, or altered how they are triggered to get them to play out.

And I would also appreciate you not trolling my posts.

Thanks

[Mrmagoo]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

Troll... Lol. Me not having the game has nothing to do with it. I've had every other game in the series and always thought there was to many diving catches, but I never researched it nor kept track. Thus why I asked. Also if your gonna ask others to collect data to back up their statement you might wanna do the same. Also actually when I was posting my question to you I thought about what if you did or anybody for that matter had the data on diving catches what would we compare it to? Do they keep such a stat?
Btw might wanna do a bit more asking or digging before you acuse one of trolling

[countryboy]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

Troll... Lol. Me not having the game has nothing to do with it. I've had every other game in the series and always thought there was to many diving catches, but I never researched it nor kept track. Thus why I asked. Also if your gonna ask others to collect data to back up their statement you might wanna do the same. Also actually when I was posting my question to you I thought about what if you did or anybody for that matter had the data on diving catches what would we compare it to? Do they keep such a stat?
Btw might wanna do a bit more asking or digging before you acuse one of trolling

See bolded part for why I said what I said. But in any event, I edited my post and answered your question. So feel free to read it.

[kehlis]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

Troll... Lol. Me not having the game has nothing to do with it. I've had every other game in the series and always thought there was to many diving catches, but I never researched it nor kept track. Thus why I asked. Also if your gonna ask others to collect data to back up their statement you might wanna do the same. Also actually when I was posting my question to you I thought about what if you did or anybody for that matter had the data on diving catches what would we compare it to? Do they keep such a stat?
Btw might wanna do a bit more asking or digging before you acuse one of trolling

You were absolutely trolling here as you have in many other threads and it ends now.

You don't have the game. Feel free to discuss but trolling others will not be tolerated.

[cusefan74]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

Just so people know. I'm watching the Mets game last night and they showed the average of getting guys in to score from third with no outs. This is just the NL average, 54%. That's it, just 54% of the time does a team get a guy in from third with no outs. So I would say if you are getting around 50% in while playing this game, then you are doing alright.

[bcruise]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

Just so people know. I'm watching the Mets game last night and they showed the average of getting guys in to score from third with no outs. This is just the NL average, 54%. That's it, just 54% of the time does a team get a guy in from third with no outs. So I would say if you are getting around 50% in while playing this game, then you are doing alright.

That's pretty amazing that it's not higher, actually. I mean, REALLY shocking that basic baseball fundamentals fail that often in MLB, multiple times (which has to happen when you get more than one out to move a runner that last 90 feet). Especially in the NL which places a higher importance on advancing runners.

Any idea what inning that was in? I can go back and watch it through MLB.tv (assuming it wasn't ESPN or MLB Network) and I was curious if there was any additional discussion in the booth on that topic.

[KBLover]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

Cubs just flew out twice in a row with runners in scoring position. Immediately thought of this. It does happen in real baseball. I'm going to be honest, I think I hit too well with runners in scoring position. I think my average in my franchise is above .350 with RISP. Maybe I'm just really good at the game, but my friend who plays in the franchise with me isn't nearly as good and he still manages to hit well with RISP. You can't really expect every situation with runners on to result in a hard hit ball.

I agree - can't expect a hard hit ball at all times in any situation, even fat pitches down the middle don't always get crushed.

You have me wanting to check my RISP stats - going to look in my franchise when I get in the game.

I think it's just too many infield flies/choppers in general (shallow flies to the outfield, lazy flies to medium deep, or rountine grounders make sense of course, but IFFB don't happen particularly often in general, imo).

Just so people know. I'm watching the Mets game last night and they showed the average of getting guys in to score from third with no outs. This is just the NL average, 54%. That's it, just 54% of the time does a team get a guy in from third with no outs. So I would say if you are getting around 50% in while playing this game, then you are doing alright.

Awesome - always love knowing more data. That's something I can keep an eye on.

That's pretty amazing that it's not higher, actually. I mean, REALLY shocking that basic baseball fundamentals fail that often in MLB, multiple times (which has to happen when you get more than one out to move a runner that last 90 feet). Especially in the NL which places a higher importance on advancing runners.

Especially since it seems offense is down - you'd think manufacturing runs would get a bit more common/successful, now that you can't just hope for anyone in the lineup to crush a home run or something.

Also actually when I was posting my question to you I thought about what if you did or anybody for that matter had the data on diving catches what would we compare it to? Do they keep such a stat?

Not that I'm aware of.

However, I would imagine these "effort plays" happen mostly when a fielder can't get to a ball normally (in a tough zone, poor fielder needing the extra effort to make a play, and/or a hard hit ball), I would imagine it's not a high percentage.

In fact, for an area of the field to not be in the area of a fielder's responsibility, it has to be fielded for an out less than 50% of the time on average. So if, especially in The Show, these dives allow fielders to make plays frequently in this "less than 50/50 zones", so to speak, then it's happening too often, by definition (if you believe in the concept/stat).

[MLB Bob]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

That's pretty amazing that it's not higher, actually. I mean, REALLY shocking that basic baseball fundamentals fail that often in MLB, multiple times (which has to happen when you get more than one out to move a runner that last 90 feet). Especially in the NL which places a higher importance on advancing runners.

Any idea what inning that was in? I can go back and watch it through MLB.tv (assuming it wasn't ESPN or MLB Network) and I was curious if there was any additional discussion in the booth on that topic.

The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball by Tom Tango breaks down a lot of these situations, also follows up on his website i think. Theres lots of things people expect to be different than what the talking heads and old baseball men think are facts

[cusefan74]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

That's pretty amazing that it's not higher, actually. I mean, REALLY shocking that basic baseball fundamentals fail that often in MLB, multiple times (which has to happen when you get more than one out to move a runner that last 90 feet). Especially in the NL which places a higher importance on advancing runners.

Any idea what inning that was in? I can go back and watch it through MLB.tv (assuming it wasn't ESPN or MLB Network) and I was curious if there was any additional discussion in the booth on that topic.

No idea what inning it was now. There really wasn't much talk about it, they were just showing Lucas Dudas stats for that situation and comparing them to the average because he was up. Duda was just 6 for 12 in that situation, so he is less then the average.

I was also very surprised to see it that low across the board. The network they play the Mets games on most of the time, which is SNY, show stats like that all the time. It's really nice, it really adds to the game a lot.

[KBLover]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

I was also very surprised to see it that low across the board. The network they play the Mets games on most of the time, which is SNY, show stats like that all the time. It's really nice, it really adds to the game a lot.

You know, it would be great to have these kinds of overlays in The Show.

More stat tracking, more stat overlays, more situational details, then more commentary opportunities.

[cusefan74]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

You know, it would be great to have these kinds of overlays in The Show.

More stat tracking, more stat overlays, more situational details, then more commentary opportunities.

I was thinking the same thing!

They just showed another great stat. Starting pitchers in the NL average just 93 pitches per start. I thought that would also be a little higher.

[KBLover]

Re: Can we stop already with the RISP less-than-2-outs popouts and line outs?

I was thinking the same thing!

They just showed another great stat. Starting pitchers in the NL average just 93 pitches per start. I thought that would also be a little higher.

Perhaps pinch hitting cutting into that total?

I'd be curious to know the AL average. Or the typical inning pinch hitting for the starter occurs.