DarbeeVision Darblet Digital Video Processor (media included)

[Scott]

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How about Rangers ballpark?

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[PhilliesFan13]

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I am actually going to hook up my Darbee to my PS4 tonight when I play The Show 16.

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[Scott]

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I am actually going to hook up my Darbee to my PS4 tonight when I play The Show 16.

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I've been looking into getting one for my projector.

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[PhilliesFan13]

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I've been looking into getting one for my projector.

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Highly recommend.

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[Blzer]

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Call them now, and you can get refurbished products at $129 or $139 (newer model).

Says sold out on the site, but the owner said calling them will take care of it or something.

http://www.darbeevision.com/products/dvp5000s

EDIT: PS4 Pro owners beware, these current models will not work on 4K source material (should MLB 17 offer that option).

[TheWarmWind]

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I hate to be the wet blanket since people in the thread seem to like it, but this is an obvious sham. Over $100US for a device that fudges around with contrast and post-processing effects? Even if you do prefer the way the game looks, you're paying a lot of money for what basically amounts to a placebo effect.

I mean, do what you want with your money, but please heed my warning.

[Blzer]

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Placebo effect? Most certainly not. My sister screws with the remote sometimes and accidentally turns it off, and I notice it immediately.

I have had video processors before, all of which I hated because they've presented artifacts. This is one of the only processors that even video purists will swear by using.

As a videophile myself, let me put it this way: calibrators tweak televisions to most accurately match director's intent, however directors get reference monitors and projectors that we could only dream of our television screens getting. They don't contain the algorithms necessary to make this happen. This does. There is a great explanation as to what it does, how it does it, and what the intended result is. But point blank, it is the $100+ we all would have spent on the televisions we currently have to have that "better television" that doesn't exist for us.

I'm not a bot. I'm not a pyramid schemer. I'm most certainly not a plant nor am I on commission with DarbeeVision. I'm not even pushing people to buy it. I'm simply making people aware that it exists. I was super glad the second day I was made aware of this product. What did I do the first day? Same as you... I was skeptical as hell. I turned away before even looking at reviews. The thing that even made me consider it was the money-back guarantee. I didn't want to return it... I even bought a second one. Looking to buy two more very soon. The only thing I'm weary of, as I last stated, was these are useless for 4K source material.

I don't mind you stating your opinion on it, but only if you played with it before. You'll see many reviewers with your stance: either they couldn't get the effect to coordinate well with their set (perhaps it's uncalibrated), or it simply wasn't worth the price point for them. Perhaps it was too subtle and they expected diamonds to pop out of their screens. Whatever it was, I'm trying to only give you the truth with. That's why I made a video and captured screenshots. I'll try and get more someday as well.

EDIT: Looks like I had a request for Rangers ballpark that I never saw. I'll have to do that sometime.

[TheWarmWind]

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I actually get why people would buy into this. The device does make a difference, and some people might like the effect. It might even (and probably does) have a more granular effect than the standard contrast and sharpness settings built into all modern era TVs (2010+). But in the end, it's the same thing. It's a video filter, nothing more.

If you're not convinced and still considering buying, I beg that you at least ask these questions:

1. What in technical terms does this actually do?

2. If it does truly make my PS4 (or any other device) better, why doesn't Sony (or any other electronics giant) sell one? If it's patented proprietary tech, then why hasn't DarbeeVision been bought out by a larger company?

I'm not trying to humiliate, just educate. There is not a device that can be put between your TV and your PS4 to make the picture objectively better. I can see buying this as a stopgap if your TV, for whatever reason, doesn't have sharpness and contrast settings. Otherwise, I'd advise you save your money.

A personal question I have: Why is this thread in the MLB The Show forums? Shouldn't it be in entertainment and tech?

[Blzer]

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1) There is a lot to mention, but it's talked about in this podcast here (jump to 17:03):

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2) Oppo has at least one Blu-ray player with the tech in it: https://www.amazon.com/OPPO-BDP-103D.../dp/B00GPFM106. Darbee has been around for a while and is trying to grow for themselves, I believe.

Most televisions when calibrated actually should have Sharpness set to 0. Any sharpness is presenting artifacting. The Darblet does not do that, because it's a pre-processor and not a post-processor. It's not doing anything to the television, but to the image data prior to being displayed. Plus, its algorithm obviously isn't the same as the Sharpness tool.

I would have returned this product if it did not get my Blu-ray films closer to reference material, or director's intent. I barely play games anymore in comparison to film that I watch. You'll see me advise people against buying it, actually. Depends on what you own, what you use it for, whether your set is calibrated, and what you're trying to get out of it. I understand your cautions though. I would never want people to waste money, and I especially wouldn't want to grow a bad reputation by spreading something that people wouldn't like (and by "like," I'm not referring to the same people who claim to put their PS4's in RGB mode to make the colors pop more lol).

As far as your personal question, it has been mentioned in several threads there but was mostly lost. I think I posted it here because I had the content available for it, and people are always trying to provide each other little tips/tricks/tweaks to improve their picture on their television.

[MythicalGnome]

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This will add lag. How much you can take is up to you, but no expensive TV and receiver combo should ever need anything like this. EVER. Fiddling with depth is NOT in any way what the director intended. Period. Nevermind this thing does not even barely work with 4K sets. Over half the 5 star reviews on Amazon are either shills or barely mention anything about the processing.

And if your TV has deficiencies, or you think you can spot artifacts in a bluray, IDK this is still a tough sell. I appreciate letting us know, but eh I don't think so.

Number one, you have people on Amazon rightfully telling you that even on low settings this can manifest artifacts. Any post-processing or pre-processing mechanism will do this. Why would I want to introduce artifacts or any kind of processing into my image I have no idea. The whole point of home theater has always been to TURN OFF all processing features on your TV. And now you want me to add them back in. No.

For games on PC this is useless beyond belief, and for films there is no reason for anyone to use it except to solve very subtle banding problems or aliasing problems in films that are so small that the artifacts through processing would not really be any better. And this is not guaranteed to solve any problems on bluray, yet will also cause more problems depending on the source.

The first review says "going back to the non Darbee version," and there is a bunch of talk of firmware updates. Not exactly something I would sell to someone. Even some of the 3 star reviews relate how their 4K sets have better upscalers. And no doubt they do because this is just a cheap piece of processing junk that darbee pays to have in the OPPO, which is just an overpriced bluray player.

I have to say there is nothing that would convince me of using this product. What little it does would totally be negated for anything game related. I'm not replacing this or having it on my line when I game on my set and have 4 or 5 things hooked up to HDMI on my Denon lol. It's also 500 dollars.

This might work for some terrible TV's but for anyone with quality gear I have to say NO! Read the reviews on Amazon that are critical to get a good view of why these technologies are useless for anyone with good gear.

Nevermind the fact that this will never be compatible with newer gear and HDMI 2.1 et cetera et cetera. A waste of cash. Next people will want me to buy the OPPO with Darbee 2.1 HDMI player to solve all my 4K UHD problems which are actually not problems.

Why would anyone with decent vision want to sharpen their picture past the calibrated maximum of their set? Why do you want depth in an image that was never intended to have that depth?

"I would have returned this product if it did not get my Blu-ray films closer to reference material, or director's intent."

How can you prove this at all with any reasonable evidence? You can't. End of story. 4K is the only thing that will get you closer to the director's intent.

No director of film makes a film and produces a bluray saying hey we need to make it with that Darbee stuff in mind.

Where do you get this notion and why? Consumers have the highest quality sets available to them. There is nothing that is going to top some 40k OLED or whatever is the newest tech set out there. And those are definitely available to consumers.

For gaming this thing is useless. The only thing I ever inject into my games even on my high-end PC is SMAA and this is surely not doing that for PS4. For films I have no idea why anyone wants to tweak the film and the vision of the studio that produced it but have fun I guess.

[MythicalGnome]

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"I have had video processors before, all of which I hated because they've presented artifacts. This is one of the only processors that even video purists will swear by using.

As a videophile myself, let me put it this way: calibrators tweak televisions to most accurately match director's intent, however directors get reference monitors and projectors that we could only dream of our television screens getting. They don't contain the algorithms necessary to make this happen. This does. There is a great explanation as to what it does, how it does it, and what the intended result is. But point blank, it is the $100+ we all would have spent on the televisions we currently have to have that "better television" that doesn't exist for us."

This whole bunch of mumbo jumbo is a wee bit suspect. You cannot in any reasonable discourse or train of thought tell us what the director's intent of the film is. PERIOD. No arguments accepted. I understand you like the product. What they put on the bluray is what they meant to put on the bluray outside of awful DNR'd messes not approved by the director.

I have no idea why this thread is still in the MLB section, as none of this stuff is going to help videogames at all IMO. You can't mess with the game code to change anything meaningful in the game. A pre or post processor is just manipulating limited amounts of data to alter the image AGAINST the intent of the people that produced the film.

Even things like reshade on PC can only do very small things to enhance videogames, with SMAA being the best thing by far available that is injected into games. And this doesn't do anything of the sort, making it completely useless for anyone with a gaming setup.

Also, your idea that what they are using to view the film on is way better than what a consumer is untrue. I would organize your thoughts and actually investigate how films are made, and on what screens they are made, to see why what you just said is not true.

There are 50k sets available to consumers, and even 4k resolution sets of a couple thousand bucks are beyond anything most producers would have known about or used in making their films in post production even 6 years ago.

Dear god man they can barely produce 4K masters from the negative at this point, and almost all post production effect work is still done in 2k! You are trying to sell a product here that is not even compatible with 4K sets for the most part.

[Blzer]

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Very insightful post. I will not take away from your opinion. I just wish I heard more opinions from people who own them, or have actually tried them.

How do I know this gets closer to the director's intent? Well, for one, it increases perceived resolution. Measurable resolution? Of course not. Perceived resolution? At the right value, yes. For another, I have older and newer model televisions, one that are closer to displaying "reference" material and ones that are less than. This gets the older ones "closer to" my newer ones as far as that fidelity is concerned.

I have already mentioned lag (or lack thereof), so I won't be mentioning that again. Also, my video displays are top-notch at the 1080p level, and when I invest in 4K you know I'll only be going flagship (see my posts in the OLED thread).

The only fault with this product, as you [and I] have stated, is this does not work on 4K source material. Wait it out another year, and I bet you they will have one... and you can bet I will be investing in it as well.

These are not $500 pieces of hardware, not the entry-level machines at least. The ones built like boxes may be, but not the standard processors.

I appreciate naysayers as much as the next guy. That is why I held off purchasing damn near every single thing that is trying to be sold to me, including items to prevent hair loss or what have you (even with the money back guarantees). I just don't like being baited into something that is useless, inefficient, or can be had at a much cheaper price.

There is a certain extent as to how much of this you should be putting on your screen. I maintain 43% for films. Very soon I will look to be purchasing two more, daisy-chain four of them together, and see not only what they should all be set at for films (maybe 10% each?), but how they can improve the visual fidelity in 3D Blu-ray films.

If you think I'm blowing my money, that is fantastic. I think if you knew me though, a lowly high school teacher with 35,000 posts on a sports gaming message board, you'd know that I'm not trying to snake people into something that they might not appreciate. I never was a great salesman. I'm presenting everything with full-fledged honesty, with absolutely nothing to hide. There are other members on this site who have it and who can attest to it, and much the same there are others who might purchase it and actually regret it. I wouldn't expect that from ya'll, but it happens.

This does not make 480i content look like 2160p. This does not increase black levels or frame rate. This doesn't even do much for cable television, nor does it look great when too much film grain is present (I'm looking at you, 300). And most importantly, this won't change the color of the dirt and grass on The Show to something you would prefer, MythicalGnome. But this is great for games. It's great for Blu-ray (especially 3D). It's subtle, yet extremely effective. It doesn't wow me with how much it adds, but it wows me with how much I lose when I don't have it.

[MythicalGnome]

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I mean, depending on the person I am sure there are some benefits for the device. As I mentioned people really love reshade and tweaking things to NOT look like what the director intended on games. But I surely cannot invest in anything that will cause input lag--even the slightest bit more, and yes this device is another device in the chain--or will not be compatible with HDMI 2.1.

The only thing I keep on my TV right now is its local dimming. I just cannot see the reason for any other mechanisms in my chain. I could see this processor doing some decent work for lesser TVs, but no I'm not sure it can help anything else for me personally.

Now perhaps if something like this could help the weird effects glitchiness on 4K masters like Mad Max--fire looks worse on UHD--then it might be worthwhile, but I'm not sure how it would ever do something like that. Perceived depth is not something I really need, but if I had cash lying around I wouldn't mind trying it on the lowest setting possible. I watch a lot of grainy films so I doubt I could do much with it for those.

[Blzer]

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Fair enough. Only thing I want to re-mention though is the input lag is three microseconds. That's 0.000003 seconds. Four of these would be 0.000012 seconds. Adding that to a TV with 25 ms input lag would make it 0.025012 seconds instead of 0.025. That literally means nothing.

This is coming from a guy who has had to deal with input lag on a previous Samsung LCD for The Show. I can attest that it adds literally nothing to it.

[Blzer]

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Possible DarbeeVision product/integration to come out later this year for 4K displays?

https://www.facebook.com/DarbeeVision/posts/1538596932884991

@DarbeeVision, we always like to see solid specifications, however with technical specs that are not friendly to understand, the consumer is likely to simply get more confused. Terms like #peak_luminance, #nits, #black_levels, #global_dimming, #local_dimming, #standard_color, #high_color_gamut, #standard_dynamic_range, #high_dynamic_range...how is a consumer supposed to sort out all the possible combinations and determine whether their purchase choice fits their needs, desires, interests. Fortunately, with #DARBEE_Visual_Presence (DVP), it is easy to understand. #DVP simply gives everything more depth, clarity and realism. DVP for #4K #UHD #HDR is coming in 2018, and it is going to prove that fidelity is not the endpoint of #image_quality!