The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

[Knight165]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

No need to speak for everyone. Once again, if you're not interested, don't come into the thread.

...and who are you speaking for?

M.K.
Knight165

[Jr.]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

...and who are you speaking for?

M.K.
Knight165

Myself. Some come in here with a very "holier than thou" attitude and start acting like internet bullies. PAD has issues with the game, he's providing video evidence of them. They are legitimate issues that need to be addressed. Conversations like this detract from the discussion.

[Knight165]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

Myself. Some come in here with a very "holier than thou" attitude and start acting like internet bullies. PAD has issues with the game, he's providing video evidence of them. They are legitimate issues that need to be addressed. Conversations like this detract from the discussion.

I don't doubt that.
It's not the content....it's the presentation.
However....continue as usual.
It's working wonders.

M.K.
Knight165

[Jr.]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

I don't doubt that.
It's not the content....it's the presentation.
However....continue as usual.
It's working wonders.

M.K.
Knight165

I appreciate the condescending tone. Keep up the good work. (See, I can do it, too )

[Knight165]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

I appreciate the condescending tone. Keep up the good work. (See, I can do it, too )

I'm making a suggestion.
Do with it as you will.

If you want the devs attention.....I would say using words like nonsense, ridiculous, pathetic over and over is not the way to make them want to read your posts(not you....just in general)
Just a guess.

M.K.
Knight165

[Jr.]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

I'm making a suggestion.
Do with it as you will.

If you want the devs attention.....I would say using words like nonsense, ridiculous, pathetic over and over is not the way to make them want to read your posts(not you....just in general)
Just a guess.

M.K.
Knight165

Honestly, if the devs are concerned with what's being said, when there is video evidence, they're focusing on the wrong thing. There are no words needed with these videos.

The animation system is truly holding the game back from being one of the best video games, not just sports games, of all-time. There is a lot of good video evidence in this thread. I would imagine it's part of their job (SCEA in general, not just the guys that we communicate with) to wade through everything here to find the important stuff.

[jvalverde88]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

Exactly. There's nothing wrong with what PAD is doing. This is a glitch... it should be fixed. If y'all aren't interested in hearing his "act" then refrain from coming into the thread.



Posts like this are what causes issues and are completely unnecessary and counterproductive.

Most of his "issues" are due to the user which he of course he disagrees and then talks down to posters trying to help himwhich then leads to him playing the victim card because everyone "ganged up on him". Are there issues with the game? Of course but there is just better ways for him to present them instead of acting as if the devs don't care.

[jvalverde88]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

The animation system is truly holding the game back from being one of the best video games, not just sports games, of all-time. There is a lot of good video evidence in this thread. I would imagine it's part of their job (SCEA in general, not just the guys that we communicate with) to wade through everything here to find the important stuff.

I agree, the fielding has improved but there are still times where a animation happens at the wrong time (i.e infielder taking their sweet time fielding a ball when a runner with decent speed is running to 1B)

[Padgoi]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

Most of his "issues" are due to the user which he of course he disagrees and then talks down to posters trying to help himwhich then leads to him playing the victim card because everyone "ganged up on him". Are there issues with the game? Of course but there is just better ways for him to present them instead of acting as if the devs don't care.

For years people like knight would ask people like me to provide video evidence if we had issues and we couldn't because there were limitations in technology. Now we can provide that evidence and we get told not to. It's honestly become a joke at this point. I honestly don't care whether you like the way I present the material or not and I don't care whether you feel my act is getting tiresome, but in my opinion I'm doing this for the good of the community and the good of the game. I want these issues to be addressed and the only way to make the developers aware of these issues is to address them in a way that makes them understand that we simply won't tolerate this stuff anymore. These animation issues have been evident for years and it's about time they were addressed. You guys will be thanking me when these issues are fixed.

And I'll admit, some of the animations are because of poor routes I took to the ball. The issue is that most of them are not. And even if I take a poor route, the outfielder should still put his glove up, right? You need to see the bigger picture and not just focus on my presentation.

And just another tidbit, knight and other used to always call my tone condescending. Knight used to live in these topics telling people to provide evidence knowing we weren't going to because of the time it took to do so. Now we do it and he either doesn't post or tells us to stop. I'm kinda tired of his schtick myself. At least I'm doing something for the betterment of the community rather than telling people to "shut up."

[MythicalGnome]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

In general people just need to admit to themselves that this game has a lot of systems still based on PS3 and a decade old hardware system. The game is barely next gen. It's getting there, but to pretend in any way this game is somehow near perfect is comical and disgraceful. The devs need to leave the PS3 behind. It's that simple. No one gives a ****e about PS3 anymore, most of all Sony themselves. If 16 is any more than a roster update on PS3 I would be concerned. It's time to leave that game in the dust. NBA 2k16 is showing us the way of what sports games can become animation wise. The Show will follow at some point.

I don't think the animation systems are killing the game but they hold it back as much as the other major flaws. It will get better as they implement more and more next gen upgrades. But I must stress they need to leave the damn PS3 behind at this point. No one cares about PS3 upgrades. It's a decade old. A friggin' 7800 GTX. A nerfed one at that. It's limp and dead and has no place in next gen games. You simply cannot design around or rehabilitate the thing. The PS3 GPU is what is holding the franchise back period. It just depends on how fast they are willing ot leave it behind.

As this is a major Sony franchise I would say they had better be willing to sack it very soon if they want people to buy this thing year in year out.

[TheWarmWind]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

Remember when this thread used to be about animations?

I personally feel like the new animations are much better this year than previous years of the show. However, there are bugs, which are going to happen every time new animations get incorporated into the game. Part of the reason why those bugs are so frustrating is because they REALLY stick out because the rest of the game is so good. Also no-one likes to give up a run because of a bug. Still, working with a one year dev cycle makes it nearly impossible to find and fix these bugs before release of the game.

However.

While I may agree that I don't like the overall negative attitude, P.A.D. isn't in the wrong by pointing out these bugs and errors. It may be true that SDS already knows about all of these bugs, but regardless of the fact P.A.D. is providing another resource for the devs to use to find and squash these bugs for next year.

So I'm giving P.A.D. a thumb up for talking about the bugs and errors, and a second thumb up for posting videos of these bugs. I wish more people posted videos of bugs or errors they find (as long as we don't get too repetitive and start beating dead horses). In the end it can only possibly make future iterations of the show better, and at worst the end result is neutral.

[WhiteBunny]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

And I'll admit, some of the animations are because of poor routes I took to the ball. The issue is that most of them are not. And even if I take a poor route, the outfielder should still put his glove up, right? You need to see the bigger picture and not just focus on my presentation.

A huge part of the problem is the lack of true analogic movement for the players. At the moment is very limited and a bit too frantic. You pass from walking on the grass to top speed in one second. The game needs a more modular speed variation in between. That's why fielding, especially outside fielding ( where you must cover a lot of field ), seems so wrong.

[Knight165]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

For years people like knight would ask people like me to provide video evidence if we had issues and we couldn't because there were limitations in technology. Now we can provide that evidence and we get told not to. It's honestly become a joke at this point. I honestly don't care whether you like the way I present the material or not and I don't care whether you feel my act is getting tiresome, but in my opinion I'm doing this for the good of the community and the good of the game. I want these issues to be addressed and the only way to make the developers aware of these issues is to address them in a way that makes them understand that we simply won't tolerate this stuff anymore. These animation issues have been evident for years and it's about time they were addressed. You guys will be thanking me when these issues are fixed.

And I'll admit, some of the animations are because of poor routes I took to the ball. The issue is that most of them are not. And even if I take a poor route, the outfielder should still put his glove up, right? You need to see the bigger picture and not just focus on my presentation.

And just another tidbit, knight and other used to always call my tone condescending. Knight used to live in these topics telling people to provide evidence knowing we weren't going to because of the time it took to do so. Now we do it and he either doesn't post or tells us to stop. I'm kinda tired of his schtick myself. At least I'm doing something for the betterment of the community rather than telling people to "shut up."

1. I never told anyone to shut up.
2. You're mixing and matching your facts. I never asked for video evidence of bugs or glitches. My only time I ever asked for something that everyone could see...was the times when posters would "absolutely" know the outcome of the game played because the game itself is driving that outcome.

You're revisionist history is hysterical though.

My point is not that the devs will see something you guys post and ignore it because of how it's posted...it's that the devs seem to not to be actually GETTING to read the posts because the general attitude SUCKS.
O.S. is becoming a ghost town in dev participation.


Oh...and be careful, you might hurt your arm patting yourself on the back.

M.K.
Knight165

[KBLover]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

Still, working with a one year dev cycle makes it nearly impossible to find and fix these bugs before release of the game.

This seems to be the downfall of sports games. Even OOTP has multiple patches to fix what seems to be 100 bugs every year.

I really, really wish sports games could get away from the "must release a new version every year". No other genre is forced to deal with that. Other genres? It's out when it's ready.

While I may agree that I don't like the overall negative attitude, P.A.D. isn't in the wrong by pointing out these bugs and errors. It may be true that SDS already knows about all of these bugs, but regardless of the fact P.A.D. is providing another resource for the devs to use to find and squash these bugs for next year.

I agree - I do wish it was a "just the facts" approach and leave out the "this is terrible" emotional part (since that's what people will focus on and does little but stir up debates about subjective stuff that gets away from the [relatively] objective "this is not what real players do" that's at the core of these issues and can be supported/proven with video evidence).

I also agree that showing it with video evidence is helpful. Heck, I've seen devs on here ask for videos to see the bug/glitch in action.

If the videos and scenario descriptions were branched out into another purely informative/"objective" post (no emotion, no "this sucks", no "this is making the game be bad", no "no one cares about PS3" type stuff that is not helpful - just "here's the glitch, here is when it happens"), then the devs could see it and bypass any attitude/whatever.

[KBLover]

Re: The poor animation system really holds this game back from being great!

Honestly, if the devs are concerned with what's being said, when there is video evidence, they're focusing on the wrong thing. There are no words needed with these videos.

Which is actually probably part of Knight's point.

No words needed? The videos speak for themselves? Let them speak.