Scripted Innings!

[Knight165]

Re: Scripted Innings!

I've jotted down the first 42 games of my carry over franchise.
All games played.....default sliders for the most part.

I find quite a different outcome than the DD games posted.

I used the 7-8-9 innings and found that the total times scored.....
(quick math...just getting it close...I didn't actually calculate it)
This is both teams...not just mine...so leading is whichever team was ahead...not just when mine was

7th
10 times when leading
5 times when behind
(38%)

8th
12 times when leading
7 times when behind
(42%)

9th
5 times when leading
3 times when behind
(16%)
There were 6 times when the score was tied and a team scored in those innings
3 times in the 7th

Now....here is the most important factor IMO.....
Only 4 times in those games did the team that was behind in the game score in those innings to come back and actually win the game.

Very small sample for sure....but....

M.K.
Knight165

[TheWarmWind]

Re: Scripted Innings!

I still don't believe in scripted innings or a comeback code, but I have to admit that the evidence presented by azstdogg and others is more than enough to get me listening.

I'm curious if it's an online thing, or even just relegated to specific difficulty settings. Just because I've never seen it in any of my games does not prove that it doesn't exist.

[Knight165]

Re: Scripted Innings!

I tried to see if and when any errors in the game were committed, but I don't think you can tell by the boxscore.....and no game log on the schedule, right?

M.K.
Knight165

[forme95]

Re: Scripted Innings!

I tried to see if and when any errors in the game were committed, but I don't think you can tell by the boxscore.....and no game log on the schedule, right?

M.K.
Knight165

You are correct I believe. I tried to go look, and it just shows error in box score, and only be whom, not when.

[nemesis04]

Re: Scripted Innings!

I still don't believe in scripted innings or a comeback code, but I have to admit that the evidence presented by azstdogg and others is more than enough to get me listening.

I'm curious if it's an online thing, or even just relegated to specific difficulty settings. Just because I've never seen it in any of my games does not prove that it doesn't exist.

Online and offline definitely play very differently. Online seems off balance more often than not.

[azstdogg]

Re: Scripted Innings!

I tried to see if and when any errors in the game were committed, but I don't think you can tell by the boxscore.....and no game log on the schedule, right?

M.K.
Knight165

In online games TheShowNation.com provides an inning by inning recap which logs the errors so you can go back through that to check when errors occur by inning. I did that a bit when compiling CardinalBird's data but it becomes too tedious after a while. His error data was presented a few pages back, but if I recall, about 75% of all errors occurred in innings 5-7.

[azstdogg]

Re: Scripted Innings!

Had some free time so I ran the data on a few more players (tried to pick some from this thread where I could find them on TheShowNation.com).

azstdogg
% of runs scored in innings 7-9
Trailing Team after 6th: 58%
Ahead or tied: 31%

DD games
# | Trailing | Other |
1 | 9% | 10% |
2 | 8% | 13% |
3 | 9% | 9% |
4 | 3% | 14% |
5 | 5% | 9% |
6 | 9% | 14% |
7 | 24% | 16% |
8 | 14% | 9% |
9 | 19% | 6% |


nemesis04
% of runs scored in innings 7-9
Trailing Team: 48%
Ahead or tied: 27%

Online Franchise
# | Trailing | Ahead
1 | 14% | 10%
2 | 4% | 13%
3 | 5% | 8%
4 | 8% | 10%
5 | 11% | 14%
6 | 8% | 18%
7 | 19% | 11%
8 | 9% | 11%
9 | 20% | 5%


HUSTLINOWL
% of runs scored in innings 7-9
Trailing Team: 49%
Ahead or tied: 18%

Online Franchise
# | Trailing | Ahead
1 | 13% | 20%
2 | 7% | 8%
3 | 11% | 17%
4 | 7% | 10%
5 | 8% | 11%
6 | 4% | 16%
7 | 15% | 4%
8 | 19% | 7%
9 | 15% | 8%


KILLADELPH215
% of runs scored in innings 7-9
Trailing Team: 46%
Ahead or tied: 23%

DD Games
# | Trailing | Ahead
1 | 7% | 13%
2 | 5% | 14%
3 | 13% | 15%
4 | 7% | 16%
5 | 11% | 12%
6 | 11% | 8%
7 | 12% | 9%
8 | 21% | 8%
9 | 14% | 6%

[Padgoi]

Re: Scripted Innings!

I've been at the center of this debate for many years now and been ridiculed and insulted left and right for my beliefs.
I've posted videos, pictures, doesn't matter, it's always the same few people that will defend the game no matter what is proven.

Azstdogg literally has provided factual statistical evidence supporting not that there is legitimate comeback code, but that the trailing team (user or cpu is irrelevant) almost always gets a boost of some type to make things "interesting." And what's funnier is that the developers will only say comeback code doesn't exist, but I've never heard any of them comment on trailing teams getting a boost.

Is it possible to get out of a late jam? Yes.
Does the trailing team always score in the latter innings? No.
Is there a factor that pops up that kicks in the comeback code? No because there is no comeback code. The only factor is one team losing, which triggers a boost.


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[Sip_16]

Re: Scripted Innings!

I've been at the center of this debate for many years now and been ridiculed and insulted left and right for my beliefs.
I've posted videos, pictures, doesn't matter, it's always the same few people that will defend the game no matter what is proven.

Azstdogg literally has provided factual statistical evidence supporting not that there is legitimate comeback code, but that the trailing team (user or cpu is irrelevant) almost always gets a boost of some type to make things "interesting." And what's funnier is that the developers will only say comeback code doesn't exist, but I've never heard any of them comment on trailing teams getting a boost.



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To be fair, his data from what I have read is all from online, online franchise or DD. I have played the show for years and not saying I have ever looked real close at itt (and i just play offline franchise) I just never have realized anything like errors or more runs scored in the 7th. Again that's just my opinion from playing so many games but also not fully putting my focus on those specifics.

Side note - I get your feelings are hurt about being "ridiculed" & "insulted", I am sure you could just leave that out, if you believe those are attacking you, they aren't worth responding to, but neither is playing the victim either. Just make your points and i've seen enough respectable people on this forum that will engage in the conversation you are looking for.

[vidgames]

Re: Scripted Innings!

P.A.D. I agree with you 100%...great post.

[Knight165]

Re: Scripted Innings!

P.A.D. I agree with you 100%...great post.

So how do you explain the results of my OFFLINE franchise?

M.K.
Knight165

[azstdogg]

Re: Scripted Innings!

I decided to slice the data another way to see if there are any patterns by how much the trailing team is losing by. I combined all the data I have pulled so far (data is online game data available on TheShowNation.com) which is about 850 half innings of scoring. The data I have skews towards the more a trailing team is losing by, the higher the frequency the trailing team scores in innings 7-9.

Trailing by… | % Runs 7-9
-5+ | 60%
-4 | 61%
-3 | 56%
-2 | 42%
-1 | 51%
0 | 47%
1 | 32%
2 | 27%
3+ | 21%

(-5+ is the trailing team is losing by 5 or more runs after the 6th inning; -4 is trailing team is losing by 4 runs, etc.; 0 is a tied game after 6th)

And by inning:

Trailing by…
Inn. | -5+ | -4 | -3
1st | 8% | 10% | 9%
2nd | 6% | 4% | 8%
3rd | 12% | 7% | 6%
4th | 5% | 4% | 7%
5th | 4% | 6% | 10%
6th | 5% | 9% | 3%
7th | 26% | 26% | 20%
8th | 13% | 14% | 22%
9th | 21% | 21% | 14%

Trailing by…
Inn. | -2 | -1 | Tied
1st | 11% | 10% | 12%
2nd | 9% | 7% | 8%
3rd | 11% | 9% | 9%
4th | 8% | 9% | 9%
5th | 12% | 5% | 7%
6th | 7% | 9% | 8%
7th | 16% | 23% | 16%
8th | 13% | 14% | 19%
9th | 13% | 14% | 12%

Winning by…
Inn. | 1 | 2 | 3+
1st | 12% | 14% | 11%
2nd | 11% | 9% | 12%
3rd | 11% | 11% | 14%
4th | 14% | 13% | 12%
5th | 11% | 12% | 14%
6th | 10% | 16% | 15%
7th | 13% | 11% | 9%
8th | 12% | 11% | 7%
9th | 8% | 5% | 5%

(Hopefully the formatting doesn't look too bad.)

[Woodweaver]

Re: Scripted Innings!

I've been at the center of this debate for many years now and been ridiculed and insulted left and right for my beliefs.
I've posted videos, pictures, doesn't matter, it's always the same few people that will defend the game no matter what is proven.

Azstdogg literally has provided factual statistical evidence supporting not that there is legitimate comeback code, but that the trailing team (user or cpu is irrelevant) almost always gets a boost of some type to make things "interesting." And what's funnier is that the developers will only say comeback code doesn't exist, but I've never heard any of them comment on trailing teams getting a boost.

Is it possible to get out of a late jam? Yes.
Does the trailing team always score in the latter innings? No.
Is there a factor that pops up that kicks in the comeback code? No because there is no comeback code. The only factor is one team losing, which triggers a boost.


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No comeback code.

Trailing team does not get a boost.

[nemesis04]

Re: Scripted Innings!

No comeback code.

Trailing team does not get a boost.

I think you would have an easier time standing on your head and spitting wooden nickels.

[Padgoi]

Re: Scripted Innings!

No comeback code.



Trailing team does not get a boost.

If so, how do you explain azst's statistical data? It clearly shows some type of a boost for the trailing team. Simply saying that trailing teams play harder when they're trailing is not sufficient. Simply saying we're imagining it is not sufficient. Simply saying we tend to pitch poorly in the later innings is not sufficient.

Saying that the cpu learns your tendencies and adapts would be sufficient if there was a clear pattern in our tendencies and if the pitcher was the same. A better explanation might be, "the cpu learns your tendencies regardless of pitcher and this is why they score more in the later innings." However that isn't realistic at all unless my starter and relievers have the exact same repertoire and real life tendencies.

If comeback code doesn't exist and the trailing team doesn't get a boost, something is clearly wrong with the way the game manufactures late game rallies. Honestly, if this many people are claiming something is wrong, something might actually be wrong.


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