The community is caught up between people who want gameplay vs aesthetic improvement

[ryan36]

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I'm on the gameplay side. It could look amazing but have horrible gameplay and I would trade it in within a week...

And jerseys that blow in the wind lol

[mpulse24]

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I think community members resorting to nitpicking aesthetics its a testament to how great the gameplay is in The Show. Because, to me, the gameplay aspect of the game is damn near flawless.

I wouldn't put myself in either camp because I have suggested both gameplay and aesthetic improvements over the years. I am just a fan of MLB The Show and I want it to be as good as it can possibly be across the board. Feedback, criticism and suggestions from both sides is a big part of this series because its development team is an ever active part of the community and they listen. So for that reason, people here feel more inclined to fully voice their opinions on what they like and more importantly, what they feel needs to be improved upon, no matter how small or insignificant you may think it is.

[sydrogerdavid]

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Posting before reading any comments...


I disagree with everything that you claim in your title and first post.

First of all, neither are mutually exclusive. We can have both gameplay and aesthetic improvements every year. Of course, there are some people who care more and post mostly about aesthetic stuff, like myself, but that doesn't mean I/we only want those things improved.

I love the gameplay already and we have great people in this community that are dedicated to that aspect of improving the game. Why should I waste my talents and interests when there are people better at recognizing those things than me.

The next point goes hand in hand and I'm sure has been posted before this one. Just because you care more about gameplay, doesn't mean that aesthetics are not as important. The devs have made this perfectly clear by listening to the "aesthetic people" and changing these small things. (Not to mention, there is a "Little Things" thread every year, which contains posts of both gameplay and aesthetic improvements.)

I think the fact that the Show Nation forums have a subforum dedicated to stadium improvements is something that speaks for itself. Also, if aesthetics didn't matter, then how come they have thaSLAB attend community day to report on all things stadium?

[Jolly Roger]

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Personally, for next year I'd like it if we had some sort of voting system or "tournament" for changes/requests for The Show '17. We might get what we want sooner if we can winnow it all down for the devs rather than them having to wade through massive threads.

[Spokker]

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One of the selling points of The Show has been "the little things," and San Diego Studio does an incredible job of that. But it's not surprising that fans will take that to the next level.

[tessl]

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Can we talk about how we have a giant portion of the community that is seemingly more concerned about the length of socks, the perfect shade of green grass in a specific stadium and the pixel count on a mountain in the background...

over gameplay improvement? Go into any improvement suggestion topic and at least 33% of the posts will be "I'm not going to buy this game unless they correct the stitching on the back of the jersey of my favorite team".

I wish we could get on the same page of "I'll sacrifice complaining in threads about whether someone's beard is correct in game so that we can come together to promote actual gameplay improvements like the implementation of weather, ball-park creator, etc."

I agree but they have developers assigned to different areas. It isn't either/or.

Most of the aesthetic complaints are things I would not notice but since a lot of people focus on that stuff they have developers assigned to that part of the game.

[Spokker]

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Personally, for next year I'd like it if we had some sort of voting system or "tournament" for changes/requests for The Show '17. We might get what we want sooner if we can winnow it all down for the devs rather than them having to wade through massive threads.

Although I appreciate that SDS is one of the most open, transparent and accessible AAA developers in the video game industry, I don't think they should open up their development decisions to a democratic process.

Fans tend to be very blue sky. And while I don't begrudge anyone who requests features, at the same time they must be cognizant of the reality of finite resources. That's money and time.

By voting on features you set a precedent of disappointment when those features are not achievable, such as a different commentating team, real minor league players, bench clearing and things that deviate from MLB decrees (they MUST following the MLB style guide, for example).

There's no doubt in my mind that SDS takes community feedback seriously, but it's at the level where it needs to be and I would imagine going further would create problems.

[tessl]

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Although I appreciate that SDS is one of the most open, transparent and accessible AAA developers in the video game industry, I don't think they should open up their development decisions to a democratic process.

Fans tend to be very blue sky. And while I don't begrudge anyone who requests features, at the same time they must be cognizant of the reality of finite resources. That's money and time.

By voting on features you set a precedent of disappointment when those features are not achievable, such as a different commentating team, real minor league players, bench clearing and things that deviate from MLB decrees (they MUST following the MLB style guide, for example).

There's no doubt in my mind that SDS takes community feedback seriously, but it's at the level where it needs to be and I would imagine going further would create problems.

Plus, OS represents a small minority of people who play the game so voting would represent this forum's wishes but not necessarily an accurate representation of the customers of the game.

[Bullit]

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Personally, for next year I'd like it if we had some sort of voting system or "tournament" for changes/requests for The Show '17. We might get what we want sooner if we can winnow it all down for the devs rather than them having to wade through massive threads.

No thanks. I've read the majority of the posts on this forum and to be honest the thought of some of you on here deciding how this game would be devoloped scares me to death. I only see the burning end of this franchise if some of you got involved in the process.

[NEOPARADIGM]

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In the event I post a gripe or suggestion I usually stick to stuff no one else is mentioning. Logic being, others will have already covered the other stuff.

It's a mistake to assume a petty gripe is #1 above all else on a person's fix-it list, yet I see people make that assumption all the time here, in every forum: "How can you possibly care about THAT when THIS needs fixing?"

More often than not it's just a simple "hey, I've noticed this and I don't like it; wish it was fixed" kinda thing.

[MetsFan16]

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As I read these posts from both Gameplay and Aesthetic side of the game, there tends to be more Aesthetic posts for a couple reasons.

1. This is a next generation of video game consoles and people who aren't too knowledgeable about video game production and development don't understand that even though it's next gen, there are still memory constraints and they expect the developers to be able to do everything they want to see without realistically knowing what is possible or impossible at this time.

2. The gameplay in the show series is pretty kick *** compared to other sport games. The show has high standards for their gameplay year in and year out and each year they find ways to improve what is already an amazing gameplay experience. It's easy to point out when a jersey is off colored but its hard to point out a gameplay flaw such as a third baseman not sprinting to cover his base off the bat when the ball is hit to the gap.

The Show is a one of the best sport games on the market. I feel bad for big NFL fans who have to suffer through Madden every year. This dev team puts in so many improvements each year to an already amazing game the year before. Why? People give constructive criticism of every aspect of the game, in your case gameplay or aesthetic. If we all collaborated and stuck to one side of the game, the other side would suffer.

So everyone keep posting about every aspect of the game so these developers get a feel for where they need to advance and improve upon.

[bronxbombers21325]

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Can we talk about how we have a giant portion of the community that is seemingly more concerned about the length of socks, the perfect shade of green grass in a specific stadium and the pixel count on a mountain in the background...

over gameplay improvement? Go into any improvement suggestion topic and at least 33% of the posts will be "I'm not going to buy this game unless they correct the stitching on the back of the jersey of my favorite team".

I wish we could get on the same page of "I'll sacrifice complaining in threads about whether someone's beard is correct in game so that we can come together to promote actual gameplay improvements like the implementation of weather, ball-park creator, etc."

Still trying to figure out how a ball park creator improves gameplay even the slightest little bit.

[nemesis04]

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This is a left Twix, right Twix type issue.

[Kalkano]

Re: The community is caught up between people who want gameplay vs aesthetic improvem

Can we talk about how we have a giant portion of the community that is seemingly more concerned about the length of socks, the perfect shade of green grass in a specific stadium and the pixel count on a mountain in the background...

over gameplay improvement? Go into any improvement suggestion topic and at least 33% of the posts will be "I'm not going to buy this game unless they correct the stitching on the back of the jersey of my favorite team".

I wish we could get on the same page of "I'll sacrifice complaining in threads about whether someone's beard is correct in game so that we can come together to promote actual gameplay improvements like the implementation of weather, ball-park creator, etc."

Fact of life: not everyone is like you. Not everyone likes what you like. Not everyone cares about what you care about, and even those who do care may not care to the same degree that you do. You just have to accept that.

[mpulse24]

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Still trying to figure out how a ball park creator improves gameplay even the slightest little bit.

I think hes still trying to figure that out too. lol