MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[Daonlyjmo7]

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What it means is top end prospects do not usually get traded for packages of guys. They are usually the centerpiece to an elite player. The Padres don't have an elite player. Norris really isn't that good to be frank. He's a 2-2.5 WAR guy.

It's like this, would you trade away Margot for Colin McHugh and Jason Castro+? It is a risk assessment thing. Teams don't like to give up really valuable pieces unless they are getting a legit upgrade. Norris is barely an upgrade over what the Rangers have been doing at C. Also, theres no need to bring up Rodney as a trade piece, he was traded for a not highly ranked A ball pitcher with good feel and good pitch-ability but not good raw stuff.

If you have guys that are off limits, and they are less valuable than the guys you want, why wouldn't the other teams make them off limits? I posted something in here a while ago and I can't remember the wording, but it was basically that every time you make a player off limits, it makes the pool you can trade from smaller. If you won't trade your top end guys, good chance you can't get someone else's top end guys.

Ah ok makes sense.

[Daonlyjmo7]

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What's Cashner's stats? From an Oriole fan perspective I don't think they do it for a rental unless he pitching like he did a few years ago.

Start of season.

[Tmizzle]

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Start of season.

I would wait. These types of deals don't happen early in season.

[Rocket32]

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At the all star break in my Yankees franchise. What would it take to get Yangervis Solarte from the Padres to the Yankees? I have a feeling the price will be higher then I'm willing to pay. Here are his stats: 33 R, 87 H, 11 HR, 35 RBI's, 0 SB, 287 AVG, 365 OBP, 449 SLG, 31 BB, 51 SO, and his WAR is 2.71.

Again, I'm geussing it will cost me too much to get him but he's the only guy I would want offensively. If he's too expensive I'll probaly focus on upgrading on the pitching side of things.

[Daonlyjmo7]

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I am running a Padres franchise, so I will let you know what I would want. Guys I like are Kaprielian, Refsnyder, Jagielo, Garcia. 2 of those guys would be an automatic yes. I might even do it for Garcia alone. Acevedo would be enough to do it alone. If you want to throw an offer at me I will say if I would do it or not.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I am running a Padres franchise, so I will let you know what I would want. Guys I like are Kaprielian, Refsnyder, Jagielo, Garcia. 2 of those guys would be an automatic yes. I might even do it for Garcia alone. Acevedo would be enough to do it alone. If you want to throw an offer at me I will say if I would do it or not.

Jaigelo is a Red.

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Jaigelo is a Red.

Oops. Lol my bad

[CBoller1331]

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What would a package for Charlie Blackmon look for the Mets?

Blackmon's hitting .285/.335/.438 w/ 10 HR, 36 SB, 2.87 WAR through 100 games.

Id have to think the Rockies would like Dominic Smith back, but I don't really know if the Mets would give him up in a deal for Blackmon...even if he's playing really well.

Also looking for a deal for CarGo: .253/.301/.497, 20 HR, only 0.14 WAR...maybe due to a pretty low BB rate and average defense?? (5.38%, .972 FLD%) That slash line isn't exactly 'replacement level'....so im not really sure why his WAR is low. The Nationals, Giants, Indians and Yankees are potential suitors. I think the Nats probabaly need his bat the most and have the prospects to make a deal done so they are the 'favorites'

The other teams listed plus the Royals would be interested in Josh Reddick if they cant get CarGo. Reddick is hitting .245/.330/.427, 9 HR, 0.72 WAR. He's only played 55 games due to injury. Kinda figured Royals and Giants are the best fits. The Indians could also use him, and they're also interested in Danny Valencia....not sure if they'd want to give up a ton to get both of them though

[Daonlyjmo7]

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I would think a deal with Blackmon to the Mets would start with Molina. Throw in a couple C level prospects and I think that is a good trade for both sides.

A Cargo to the Nats trade would start with Trea Turner. If your roster has Rafael Bautista, he could be included as well. If turner isn't included, it gets more complicated. Maybe a package centered around Reynaldo Lopez could work, but I don't see it being enough for cargo.

Reddick to the Royals could include Bubba Starling as well as a C prospect or 2. I don't see a big prospect match with Danny Valencia to the Indians. Mckenzie could be included the centerpiece of Reddick was included , depending on how Valencia is playing. What are his stats? If he is getting traded solo, Kaminsky or Mejia could be traded if he is playing good and maybe Naquin if he is playing bad.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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That deal would have to include Bundy, easily. Mountcaslte is low A-Ball player and will be blocked in the infield by Arenado and Story. You are talking about Cargo here and ou are offering one prospect in the top 100.

Nah. Bundy doesn't really move the needle at this point. Mancini is more valuable and fits Colorado better. You also have to consider salaries and the stats that were given. There's more to deal-making than doling out a certain amount of top prospects from one bin and top prospects from another bin. Not just "oh, it's CarGo, so X".

CarGo is making $20MM next season and then a free agent. There's no way they re-sign him, so Harvey (with amazing stats) + Mancini + Mountcastle + $30MM in salary relief is a decent return for 1.5 years of him.

Aside from that, Mountcastle isn't really "blocked" by anyone. Story isn't established yet and Mountcastle is more likely to move to 2B anyway. By the time this low A ball player makes the bigs, the infield could look a lot different. Arenado is a free agent after 2018 or 2019, and Mountcastle could very well not even debut until then. You don't really consider "blockages" for guys in low A if you like the player. Being "blocked" is more a thing for 25-year-olds that are major league ready and not 20-year-olds that you acknowledged are in low A.

[CBoller1331]

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I would think a deal with Blackmon to the Mets would start with Molina. Throw in a couple C level prospects and I think that is a good trade for both sides.

A Cargo to the Nats trade would start with Trea Turner. If your roster has Rafael Bautista, he could be included as well. If turner isn't included, it gets more complicated. Maybe a package centered around Reynaldo Lopez could work, but I don't see it being enough for cargo.

Reddick to the Royals could include Bubba Starling as well as a C prospect or 2. I don't see a big prospect match with Danny Valencia to the Indians. Mckenzie could be included the centerpiece of Reddick was included , depending on how Valencia is playing. What are his stats? If he is getting traded solo, Kaminsky or Mejia could be traded if he is playing good and maybe Naquin if he is playing bad.

Would throwing in Ottavino/McGee be enough to get Smith?
Trade would be: Mets get Blackmon + Ottavino/McGee --> Rockies get Dominic Smith + maybe one more small piece?

Trea Turner is a no go, he's now their starting SS and playing really well.
Maybe a 3 team deal to get Cargo to the Nats?
Bring in a team like the Rays, who are out of it have young pitchers to deal.....
Nats get: CarGo from Rockies
Rays get: Victor Robles + AJ Cole (could be someone else, but Cole has 1.71 WAR in 8 starts, could be made expendable since they called up Giolito)
Rockies get: Lopez from Nats + Odorizzi from Rays

Could maybe plug in Fedde for one of those guys...I think there might be something there

Valencia is hitting really well: .288/.351/.446, 13 HR, 2.55 WAR.

Royals are kinda in a tricky situation...

Spoiler

theyre 7.5 GB in the WC, but have been without Gordon and Cain for more than 50 games....both of them are expected back just after the deadline. So they could both be seen as "acquisitions." I don't really want to go on a selling spree with them, since they still have one more year of Hos+Moose. If the buy, i don't want to give up too much of the future, but they really only have Medlen, and maybe a struggling Volquez to sell.

So i don't know if Reddick to KC will work, might have to package him with Valencia and send him to Cleveland

[WaitTilNextYear]

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What would a package for Charlie Blackmon look for the Mets?

Blackmon's hitting .285/.335/.438 w/ 10 HR, 36 SB, 2.87 WAR through 100 games.

Id have to think the Rockies would like Dominic Smith back, but I don't really know if the Mets would give him up in a deal for Blackmon...even if he's playing really well.

Also looking for a deal for CarGo: .253/.301/.497, 20 HR, only 0.14 WAR...maybe due to a pretty low BB rate and average defense?? (5.38%, .972 FLD%) That slash line isn't exactly 'replacement level'....so im not really sure why his WAR is low. The Nationals, Giants, Indians and Yankees are potential suitors. I think the Nats probabaly need his bat the most and have the prospects to make a deal done so they are the 'favorites'
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CarGo's OBP is really, really low at .301 (MLB average is about .320). Plus, the game might adjust stats for Coors Field? I know there is a park effect there in the game, but I don't know if it factors into the WAR calculation.

It depends on what the records are here...if the Mets are in a solid playoff position, they probably pay a little more for Blackmon than I suggest below as opposed to if they are speculating at a wild card spot. With 2 more years of arb and near 3 WAR after 100 games (5 WAR pace), Blackmon would cost a decent pretty penny.

But I'm not sure that even a Blackmon with good stats can get Dominic Smith. Blackmon, as do all Rockie batters, has a fairly sizable home/road split that teams have to consider:

Blackmon at Coors: .334/.388/.506 (1096 PA)
Blackmon everywhere else: .248/.293/.383 (1061 PA)

Blackmon does hit lefties well for a LHB and he would have 2.5 years of arb-level salary left, which would probably be the single biggest factor for the Mets.

Perhaps a Brandon Nimmo + Wulimer Becerra + Robert Gsellman package would get it done. Nimmo basically replaces Blackmon and the Rockies get a sinkerballer in Gsellman to try out and see if he can pitch at Coors Field. Becerra gives them another internal candidate to replace CarGo when he leaves via trade/free agency.

Nimmo + Becerra + Gsellman for Blackmon

You could also use the Corey Dickerson deal as a reference. Dickerson has 1 more year of team control than Blackmon, but is arguably a more one-dimensional player than Blackmon who can hit, field, and run. Dickerson was also coming off a shortened season in 2015 with only 0.5 fWAR and still fetched a closer-level bullpen arm in Jake McGee + German Marquez. Marquez is listed as the 12th best prospect in the Rockies system by MLB dot com. McGee has been horrible for Colorado, but he had some nice stats at the time the trade went down.

[KBLover]

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Also looking for a deal for CarGo: .253/.301/.497, 20 HR, only 0.14 WAR...maybe due to a pretty low BB rate and average defense?? (5.38%, .972 FLD%) That slash line isn't exactly 'replacement level'....so im not really sure why his WAR is low.

Wow, that is low.

I have hard time thinking .497 slugging alone (let alone 20 HR) is replacement level, even for Coors Field.

Plus, at least by his in-game ratings (70 VsR contact, 90-something vsR power), I wouldn't think he has "Coors only" power. I know in my fantasy franchise, CarGo isn't in Coors and he hit 41 HR with a .526 SLG in 2016.

I guess maybe it is defense. Wish we knew how they calculated WAR.

[CBoller1331]

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CarGo's OBP is really, really low at .301 (MLB average is about .320). Plus, the game might adjust stats for Coors Field? I know there is a park effect there in the game, but I don't know if it factors into the WAR calculation.

It depends on what the records are here...if the Mets are in a solid playoff position, they probably pay a little more for Blackmon than I suggest below as opposed to if they are speculating at a wild card spot. With 2 more years of arb and near 3 WAR after 100 games (5 WAR pace), Blackmon would cost a decent pretty penny.

Mets are leading division by 9.5 games, but are in desperate need of: 1. A real CF (Cespedes hadn't been terrible before he got hurt, but is better in a corner) 2. A real leadoff man (Granderson is hitting under .200)

I figured Blackmon was the best fit, and i think the Rockies would love to have Smith (as you mentioned in a previous post, they have been struggling trying to find a real 1B since Helton retired). McGee is pitching well out of the pen and the Mets also need a left handed reliever....i guess that still probably isn't enough to land Smith?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Mets are leading division by 9.5 games, but are in desperate need of: 1. A real CF (Cespedes hadn't been terrible before he got hurt, but is better in a corner) 2. A real leadoff man (Granderson is hitting under .200)

I figured Blackmon was the best fit, and i think the Rockies would love to have Smith (as you mentioned in a previous post, they have been struggling trying to find a real 1B since Helton retired). McGee is pitching well out of the pen and the Mets also need a left handed reliever....i guess that still probably isn't enough to land Smith?

Maybe. What are McGee and Smith's stats? If Dom Smith is really tearing it up (hitting like .340), then probably not.

My main concern is that the Mets are desperate for offense so I'm not sure if it makes sense in a medium-to-long-term time frame to deal their best offensive prospect. If they are already 9.5 games up, maybe they do a couple of smaller moves to shore up the roster and don't pay quite as much, but still make the playoffs comfortably.