MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[Bard]

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Its not his contract that's the issue - its giving up 6 years of team control over a [possible-to-probable] quality OF in Frazier (their OF and minors depth in OF is pretty thin after Frazier/Zimmer...)

Then you probably shouldn't be looking into the trade market. If you aren't willing to give up quality for quality there is no point in this discussion.

Sorry if I'm coming off harsh, but that is reality. You are not going to get someone like Miller for pieces you don't want, it's going to hurt. Do you think the Orioles wanted to deal Rodriguez for two months of Miller? You'll be getting 2+ years for Miller, and how about the Red Sox and Padres...I know the Sox didn't want to give up Espinosa.

[Sgexpat]

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Then you probably shouldn't be looking into the trade market. If you aren't willing to give up quality for quality there is no point in this discussion.

Sorry if I'm coming off harsh, but that is reality. You are not going to get someone like Miller for pieces you don't want, it's going to hurt. Do you think the Orioles wanted to deal Rodriguez for two months of Miller? You'll be getting 2+ years for Miller, and how about the Red Sox and Padres...I know the Sox didn't want to give up Espinosa.

I'm not the one who is proposing the trade, I gave feedback on the packages discussed.

I'm not sure I was clear as you seem to be assuming I think the Yankees should surrender Miller for unfair value (?). To summarise:

1. I already agree that CLE is at best a stretch to be a good match for the Yankees because their 2nd tier of prospects might not be good enough to get Miller.

2. I agree that perhaps another organisation might be willing to give up a Frazier level prospect for Miller, pricing out CLE for sure, if that happens

3. That CLE FO would not part with their top 1-2 prospect/s for a 31 y.o. reliever as their budget demands they need prospects coming up to take advantage of their 6 years of team control if they want to be competitive long term

Thus, I'm not sure you are actually disagreeing with me or not.

Note: you don't come off as harsh so no worries there!

[BlueJays09]

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Coming up on the start of July and I have decided at this point I won't make a major deal. My team is 2 games ahead of the Yankees and going strong. The pitching has been great from starter to closer and the bats have been working it. However, I might want to make a couple lesser deals. Here they are:

1) Aybar from Atlanta for DJ Davis (58B) and a C potential pitching prospect. Aybar is hitting .285 with 2 homers and 20 RBI. Tulo is still out 3-4 weeks and I don't trust him to stay health when he returns. Travis has been hot and cold all year. This gives me a 3rd infielder to rotate between to keep Tulo fresh when he returns. Goins and Bradley have been alright but have really cooled. The past 2 weeks.

2) looking for a bottom of the rotation starter (any suggestions?). I would be willing to give another B prospect and maybe a low C as well to acquire this (similar to the Aybar proposal). Stroman, Sanchez and Estrada have been fire. Happ has been alright (3.96 ERA) and dickey has been dependable (3.99 era) but has really regressed and I think by playoffs he won't be doing good enough to make the playoff roster. Floyd has been nice out of the pen but he's been solid for me there so I wouldn't want to create a hole there.

So is the Aybar deal fine or should I edit it (suggestions appreciated). Also, what are some realistic bottom of rotation starters I could target for that price?

Thanks!!


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[NDAlum]

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Can you tell us what the Nats' rotation looks like now--and how long everyone is still on contract for? That'll help.

Strasburg (Cy Young leader)
Scherzer (stud)
Ross
Roark
Gio (only one over 3 ERA)
Giolito

I don't have access to the contracts at this moment. I can check later.

My thought was Solarte/Villanueva/Maurer for Reynaldo/Robles

[Archanine]

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If you're adding in all of those restrictions, I highly doubt you have the pieces to get Miller. CLE has some good prospects, but maybe Frazier is the only headliner that would work for Miller. I'm not sure if some combination of Zimmer + Kaminsky/Sheffield/Clevinger + lottery ticket is enough.

Zimmer is a top 25 prospect in baseball according to mlb.com. him as a headliner would be enough for sure, plus a pitcher and a small plus like you say.

[Archanine]

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I follow the tribe pretty closely. There is no way they would trade Frazier (or likely Zimmer who is clearly the lesser of the two) for a 31 year old reliever, no matter how good he is. But I do agree with the thrust of your post here that restricting out guys like Meija and Bradley is impossible, ANY of the non Frazier / non Zimmer prospects have to be on the table to get Miller and even then, there might not be a fit with the Yankees.

Since there is at least a plausible chance the Tribe are talking to the Yankees IRL about this it will be interesting to see if something happens - we can then find out how the respective FO's viewed it.

yeah Miller has no cjance of getting the yankees a bradley. none. Meija would be do able depending on the adds.

[Archanine]

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way too much is being made of dumbrowski getting bent over in a trade (like he usually does) dont know what world a zimmer + Kaminsky/Clevinger + Mathias doesnt get you a very good RP, t considering its a top 25 prospects, fringe top 100 guy and a 22 year old 2B raking in his league IRL.

[AC]

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What exactly is the craze for a 31 year old reliever owed $22.5m over 2.5 years? He's great but he really doesn't have a ton of surplus value. All of these deals that are giving the Yankees everyone's best prospects for Chapman and Miller are hilarious. Like, a year of Chapman himself gave the Reds Eric Jagielo, lol.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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What exactly is the craze for a 31 year old reliever owed $22.5m over 2.5 years? He's great but he really doesn't have a ton of surplus value. All of these deals that are giving the Yankees everyone's best prospects for Chapman and Miller are hilarious. Like, a year of Chapman himself gave the Reds Eric Jagielo, lol.

Yeah I don't think Chapman should bring back anything more than say 1 fringe top-100 prospect and maybe a lotto ticket. With Miller, it gets more interesting because of the nature of the league. Everyone overpays for relievers at the deadline, and the Yankees (wrongly) believe they will compete for a World Series in 2017-2018 and probably feel like they have no need to trade him unless they get overwhelmed. But again, lots of teams say that about trade assets, see Julio Teheran....


I don't personally think anyone with the potential of a Kyle Schwarber should ever be traded for a guy who throws 60 innings per season. My thing here was more so that the proposal was asking about the best available relief arm at the deadline, while listing the top 4-5 prospects the Indians have as untouchable. At some point you have to stop making guys unavailable to get upper end talents. The best prospect he left us to work with was Justus Sheffield, and he would work for Chapman IMO but I don't think the Yankees would go for that with Miller.

[redsox4evur]

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What exactly is the craze for a 31 year old reliever owed $22.5m over 2.5 years? He's great but he really doesn't have a ton of surplus value. All of these deals that are giving the Yankees everyone's best prospects for Chapman and Miller are hilarious. Like, a year of Chapman himself gave the Reds Eric Jagielo, lol.

Kimbrel for Guerra and Margot. Both top 50 prospects. Also Drew ****ing Pomeranz for Anderson Espinoza, top 15 prospect. And Pomeranz has only had ONE HALF of a good season in his 5 year career. So it's a sellers market. You're going to have to give up a lot of talent to get great talent in return no matter their position or how much they play. Also with Chapman he was facing a suspension and nobody knew how long that was going to last. I remember people saying that if he missed X amount of time he would not become a free agent this offseason. So that missing time dropped his value.


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[KBLover]

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What exactly is the craze for a 31 year old reliever owed $22.5m over 2.5 years? He's great but he really doesn't have a ton of surplus value. All of these deals that are giving the Yankees everyone's best prospects for Chapman and Miller are hilarious. Like, a year of Chapman himself gave the Reds Eric Jagielo, lol.

I don't know how he's doing in anyone else's franchise, but in mine, he's basically Rivera but in Setup instead of Closer. He's also not making $11M/yr. More like 8 M that will be 10 M in his final year (5 yrs, $44.8 M total value) that when I extended him. In 2016, he gave me 3.3 WAR in 94 innings (1.62 ERA, 1.58 FIP) (I play every pitch of every game). He was literally my second most valuable pitcher...over anyone else in my rotation that year. It was Sale, Chapman, everyone else.

If I didn't have him and I saw a setup man with the 0.66 ERA (0.84 FIP, 1.17 WAR in 27.1 IP) he's posting now through June making 8 M/yr with 99/99 H/9 and K/9 and rising control, potential, and OVR...I might not give up a top prospect from my system, but I wouldn't be stingy either. Once again, he's my best relief pitcher by far and is now #3 in value as Walker is having a decent year.

[sink4ever]

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What exactly is the craze for a 31 year old reliever owed $22.5m over 2.5 years? He's great but he really doesn't have a ton of surplus value. All of these deals that are giving the Yankees everyone's best prospects for Chapman and Miller are hilarious. Like, a year of Chapman himself gave the Reds Eric Jagielo, lol.

Yes, but that was before anyone knew what kind of suspension would be handed out. It wasn't technically for one year of Chapman, it was for an unknown fraction of a year of Chapman. Even though the team acquiring him now would technically have less control, it's a known quantity instead of an unknown quantity. It's kind of like trading for a pitcher with a sore elbow who could miss a couple weeks or who could need Tommy John. Trading for a known quantity makes quite a difference.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Yes, but that was before anyone knew what kind of suspension would be handed out. It wasn't technically for one year of Chapman, it was for an unknown fraction of a year of Chapman. Even though the team acquiring him now would technically have less control, it's a known quantity instead of an unknown quantity. It's kind of like trading for a pitcher with a sore elbow who could miss a couple weeks or who could need Tommy John. Trading for a known quantity makes quite a difference.

You're also conveniently ignoring the value of the QO. The Yankees got Chapman before the season and could offer a QO. Whoever gets him now cannot and that hurts his value.


*This is ignoring the personal disgust towards any man who puts his hands on a woman*

[sink4ever]

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You're also conveniently ignoring the value of the QO. The Yankees got Chapman before the season and could offer a QO. Whoever gets him now cannot and that hurts his value.


*This is ignoring the personal disgust towards any man who puts his hands on a woman*

Sure, the QO plays a part. Until a trade happens we probably won't know which factor has a larger impact. I was just trying to point out at least one possible reason why Chapman's value may have increased since the Yankees acquired him (a reason that's been noted on other sites as well).

[WaitTilNextYear]

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What exactly is the craze for a 31 year old reliever owed $22.5m over 2.5 years? He's great but he really doesn't have a ton of surplus value. All of these deals that are giving the Yankees everyone's best prospects for Chapman and Miller are hilarious. Like, a year of Chapman himself gave the Reds Eric Jagielo, lol.

Remember Craig Kimbrel? That's Miller's value. Not hilarious at all.