MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[dvazquez190]

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Sonny Gray has a lot of value and can get you into some top prospects. I don't know if it's a match for any of the teams you are looking at though. The other guys you listed don't have much value at all.



Nah bro. Jaime Garcia for Eric Hosmer is dead on arrival. Not even close having Garcia as a centerpiece. Hosmer has way more value. Would need Wacha/Martinez+ to make that work.

We are talking Eric Hosmer Right? I want to make sure. Because the Eric Hosmer i'm talking about is the KCR First Baseman. The Middle of the road First baseman who has won 3 GG's but has a negative defensive WAR. The career .280/.336 that has 20 HR power but also 100 strikout and low walk numbers. I think you guys are over valuing him because he's on a now national market with his back to back WS appearances.

Both men will make about the same amount of money next year (Hosmers last of arbitration). Both men will give similar production out of their respective positions. Not to mention Garcia is in a more prime position as a starter. Yes Hosmer is slightly more valuable but only because he is 3 years younger and is more durable. In terms of ability they are basically even.

[bspring3]

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Except it's for a full season, not half and it's trading him to markets thst have the willingness to sign him to the money he would probably get on the open market, so it was thinking subjectively. What people who think Michael Brantley wouldn't bring back a haul are people think he plays for the Indians so he can't be that good. I mean cespedes brought back a guy who's a top 50 prospect in baseball this year for only 2 months, not a whole season, and he hasn't been as good as Brantley over the last 2 years.

I mean if Brantley played for another team I don't think anyone would be saying Bradley Zimmer is too much to give up for Brantley.

You keep bring up Cespedes so here we go:

Brantley over the past 4 years: 11 HR/yr, 78 RBI/yr, .300 avg, 17 SB/yr, -2.4 dWAR, and has cost his team 10 runs/yr on average defensively

Cespedes over the past 4 years: 27 HR/yr, 93 RBI/yr, .271 avg, 10 SB/yr, -0.4dWAR and has saved his team 1 run/yr on average defensively

Looking at those stats, Cespedes is much better defensively, much better power, and is slightly behind in avg and speed. To me Cespedes is a better player. Also at the time of the trade, Fulmer wasn't even a top 100 prospect. It wasn't until after the season he was upgraded to the top 100.

You can probably get a mid-level B prospect or 2 for Brantley in my mind but Judge++ = No, Schwarber ++ = No, etc

[jb12780]

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Cespedes and Brantley aren't even in the same league.

Cespedes had a 6.3 WAR last year. Brantley only had a 3.4.

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[TitoFranc]

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You keep bring up Cespedes so here we go:

Brantley over the past 4 years: 11 HR/yr, 78 RBI/yr, .300 avg, 17 SB/yr, -2.4 dWAR, and has cost his team 10 runs/yr on average defensively

Cespedes over the past 4 years: 27 HR/yr, 93 RBI/yr, .271 avg, 10 SB/yr, -0.4dWAR and has saved his team 1 run/yr on average defensively

Looking at those stats, Cespedes is much better defensively, much better power, and is slightly behind in avg and speed. To me Cespedes is a better player. Also at the time of the trade, Fulmer wasn't even a top 100 prospect. It wasn't until after the season he was upgraded to the top 100.

You can probably get a mid-level B prospect or 2 for Brantley in my mind but Judge++ = No, Schwarber ++ = No, etc

And over the last 2 tears Brantley has been alot better so yes he has more value. Brantley didn't turn his career into what it was until 2 years ago, but funny how that's not pointed out eh? Yeah he would bring back a massive haul for a full season since Cespedes brought back a top 50 prospect for 2 months.

[TitoFranc]

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Cespedes and Brantley aren't even in the same league.

Cespedes had a 6.3 WAR last year. Brantley only had a 3.4.

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You're right Brantley is the much better player. Check the stats already posted over the last 2 years. Cespedes gets blown away.

[bspring3]

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And over the last 2 tears Brantley has been alot better so yes he has more value. Brantley didn't turn his career into what it was until 2 years ago, but funny how that's not pointed out eh? Yeah he would bring back a massive haul for a full season since Cespedes brought back a top 50 prospect for 2 months.

See above where Cespedes had double the value of Brantley the past season....

[TitoFranc]

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See above where Cespedes had double the value of Brantley the past season....

Don't need to, l I see is where Brantley has the better BA, OBP, Doubles,etc last year and the year before. Couldn't care less about WAR. If Cespedes was better he would have put preformed Brantley, however at the plate the only thing he's done more is hit more HRs and RBIs. Brantley has been better everywhere else.

[TitoFranc]

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Lessee player with more money attached Cespedes for Schwarber or Judge? No problem. Cheaper MVP candidate Brantley for them? Nah he only brings back scrubs in OS

[redsox4evur]

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Don't need to, l I see is where Brantley has the better BA, OBP, Doubles,etc last year and the year before. Couldn't care less about WAR. If Cespedes was better he would have put preformed Brantley, however at the plate the only thing he's done more is hit more HRs and RBIs. Brantley has been better everywhere else.

Except he hasn't as shown by the 6.2 to 3.4 WAR or whatever the numbers say.

[TitoFranc]

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Except he hasn't as shown by the 6.2 to 3.4 WAR or whatever the numbers say.

Which shows WAR doesn't matter in this case.

A guy can be alot less productive at the plate and be considered the better player these days? That's funny. I thought this was supposed to be realistic.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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We are talking Eric Hosmer Right? I want to make sure. Because the Eric Hosmer i'm talking about is the KCR First Baseman. The Middle of the road First baseman who has won 3 GG's but has a negative defensive WAR. The career .280/.336 that has 20 HR power but also 100 strikout and low walk numbers. I think you guys are over valuing him because he's on a now national market with his back to back WS appearances.

Both men will make about the same amount of money next year (Hosmers last of arbitration). Both men will give similar production out of their respective positions. Not to mention Garcia is in a more prime position as a starter. Yes Hosmer is slightly more valuable but only because he is 3 years younger and is more durable. In terms of ability they are basically even.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Only the hardest of hard core Cardinals fans might agree that Jaime Garcia is fair value (or nearly so) for Eric Hosmer.

Garcia has never pitched 200 IP in a MLB season and hasn't topped 130 IP (chosen arbitrarily, sure) since 2011. His 2015 season looks good mostly due to a low BABIP (.267) and HR/FB rate (7%). xFIP turns his 2.43 ERA into a 3.36 xFIP, which is pretty close to his career ERA. Still useful, but not nearly fair value for a durable, face-of-the-franchise everyday player fresh off of helping the team to a WS title.

Hosmer is also 3 years younger, as you stated; he's already posting equivalent value or better (per fWAR) and is improving. Aside from that, starters like Garcia are the kind of guys (moderate upside, high risk of injury) you sign to short-term incentive-laden deals in FA not guys you trade franchise 1B for.

[redsox4evur]

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Which shows WAR doesn't matter in this case.

A guy can be alot less productive at the plate and be considered the better player these days? That's funny. I thought this was supposed to be realistic.

So offense is the only thing that matters these days good to know.

And honestly just do whatever trade you feel is the best. As no one is going to agree with your valuations of Indians players. Just save us of the constant back and forth of bitching and moaning of players x,y,z.

[TitoFranc]

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Ah since Brantley isn't good I guess I can just sign him to a 5 year 10 mil per extension. WAR and all right ?

[redsox4evur]

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Ah since Brantley isn't good I guess I can just sign him to a 5 year 10 mil per extension. WAR and all right ?

Just do whatever you feel is alright. I think the calculation was 1 WAR is equal to $7 million. So he is worth $21 M per season. So it would be 5 for $105MM. But I could be wrong about that 1 WAR remember.

[TitoFranc]

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So offense is the only thing that matters these days good to know.

And honestly just do whatever trade you feel is the best. As no one is going to agree with your valuations of Indians players. Just save us of the constant back and forth of bitching and moaning of players x,y,z.

Yeah being a gold glove finalist is just so bad thse days. Wish Brantley was better on defense.