Baserunning

[GeorgePatton360]

Re: Baserunning

Issues are still there for me. I play on "Assisted". Biggest gripe is runners going from 2nd to 3rd and stopping/sliding at 3rd on plays where they easily could/should score (Yes I know, others have shared this, but some of you seem to deny it's existence, so I'm here to add to the masses experiencing this). Such as Rajai Davis sliding for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON, particularly given his speed, on a single up the middle.

My user-input is perfect, don't want to hear about whether I'm accidentally hitting "R1" etc. It's not happening, it's not me. It's the game.

I'm 33, have been playing baseball games since I was 5 years old...I know my "inputs", and most importantly, I know when I'm being presented with a fatal flaw, such as a BR glitch in a Baseball game!

It would appear some of you would rather defend the game and it's developers rather than admit that, in spite of the many great features of this game, THIS IS A HUGE AND FATAL FLAW.

THIS IS MY SECOND ITERATION OF THIS GAME after buying it for the first time last year. Given the fielding glitches and other problems seen last year, and now a baserunning glitch, I have to be honest, I'm not impressed (to quote the great George St. Pierre).

They have to fix baserunning guys...This glitch is akin to not WR's not running their routes in Madden (i.e. Slant instead of Fade). It's simply unacceptable.

This game could be AMAZING, but this is unacceptable and must be fixed. Having relievers being put in AI rotations is one thing, but this is THE MECHANICS OF THE GAME ITSELF...UNACCEPTABLE.

[bcruise]

Re: Baserunning

Issues are still there for me. I play on "Assisted". Biggest gripe is runners going from 2nd to 3rd and stopping/sliding at 3rd on plays where they easily could/should score (Yes I know, others have shared this, but some of you seem to deny it's existence, so I'm here to add to the masses experiencing this). Such as Rajai Davis sliding for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON, particularly given his speed, on a single up the middle.

I don't think anyone is denying it - I'm certainly not, at least, since it did happen to me (once). I'm just trying to help narrow down what the problem is so the people who are having it happen might still be able to enjoy the game.

If I feel like I'm just wasting my time, I'll gladly bow out and just let this thread turn into non-stop complaining again instead of useful discussion. "Useful" because the devs read these threads, regardless of what anyone might think.

[GeorgePatton360]

Re: Baserunning

I don't think anyone is denying it - I'm certainly not, at least, since it did happen to me (once). I'm just trying to help narrow down what the problem is so the people who are having it happen might still be able to enjoy the game.

If I feel like I'm just wasting my time, I'll gladly bow out and just let this thread turn into non-stop complaining again instead of useful discussion.

I don't believe I personally cited you as an example...

Your efforts are appreciated, but it's abundantly clear this is a code/programming issue on SCEA's end.

When I lose a franchise game 2 to 1 because a BR slides at 3rd base erroneously in the bottom of the 8th rather than scoring, it is devastating to my "sim experience" and ultimate enjoyment of the game, and hurts my motivation to come back and play it.

While it may not happen EVERY game, it has the possibility of doing so. And even worse, it lurks around every close game, ruining my enjoyment. There's nothing I can do input-wise to change this dynamic.

I understand the ETHOS of this community, and would love to contribute to a user-based solution, but as it stands, the Dev's have to address this immediately.

[countryboy]

Re: Baserunning

For those seeing the sliding issue and using assisted baserunning:

* Are you using the L-Stick to highlight runners and pressing the base you want to go to? Example: Man on second and ball hit to outfield and you want runner to go home: Pressing up on L-Stick and pressing X?

* Is your sliding option set to AUTO or ASSISTED?

I haven't noticed an issue with players sliding into bases when I want them to advance past that base. I never use L1 and always use the L-Stick and the corresponding base that I want them to get to. I also have my sliding set to ASSIST so that I can control when I want my player to slide.

[GeorgePatton360]

Re: Baserunning

I don't think anyone is denying it - I'm certainly not, at least, since it did happen to me (once). I'm just trying to help narrow down what the problem is so the people who are having it happen might still be able to enjoy the game.

If I feel like I'm just wasting my time, I'll gladly bow out and just let this thread turn into non-stop complaining again instead of useful discussion. "Useful" because the devs read these threads, regardless of what anyone might think.

Just seeing your edit to the above post.

My purpose is not to complain, but to merely add to a growing consensus. I qualified my background and experience with MLB games so as to add further credence to my experience and notation of it.

I don't believe I bashed the devs, and although I may have been "complaining", it came from a source of logic and reality rather than some pubescent desire to vent my emotions.

I don't see how much more "useful" this thread can be other than comm. members making note of their experience...That is of course unless we want to discuss zeros and ones and correct the code ourselves

I think it's great the devs keep on such threads as this, and very much appreciate these forums for that factor alone...That said, my experience has now been made public and scientifically contributed.

I work in politics...Serving constituents and my community is my job. From consensus comes the wishes of the public. The consensus here is that BR is broken, and now it's time for SCEA to serve their "constituents". I have confidence they will.

[Unlucky 13]

Re: Baserunning

Issues are still there for me. I play on "Assisted". Biggest gripe is runners going from 2nd to 3rd and stopping/sliding at 3rd on plays where they easily could/should score (Yes I know, others have shared this, but some of you seem to deny it's existence, so I'm here to add to the masses experiencing this). Such as Rajai Davis sliding for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON, particularly given his speed, on a single up the middle.

The problem is still there, but its not nearly as bad. I just completed a game where I had a player with 49 speed score from first on a double. He ran well the entire time around the bases. However, I also had a player with 70 speed slide into 3rd just as the LF got to the ball on another no doubt double later in the game. He certainly should have scored. I might have been able to override him using the R stick and the X button, but I'm really not used to it after years of auto working well, and I timed it poorly.

You say that you're new to the series and I get that, but they have years of goodwill built up with me. I'm confidant that they'll get this ironed out. The last patch fixed most of what was wrong with the previous one.

[GeorgePatton360]

Re: Baserunning

For those seeing the sliding issue and using assisted baserunning:

* Are you using the L-Stick to highlight runners and pressing the base you want to go to? Example: Man on second and ball hit to outfield and you want runner to go home: Pressing up on L-Stick and pressing X?

* Is your sliding option set to AUTO or ASSISTED?

I haven't noticed an issue with players sliding into bases when I want them to advance past that base. I never use L1 and always use the L-Stick and the corresponding base that I want them to get to. I also have my sliding set to ASSIST so that I can control when I want my player to slide.

I have both set to Assisted...NEVER USE L1 given that it NEVER REALLY WORKED OUT OF THE BOX to begin with....

I always direct my runners individually.

Perhaps your particular game has been immune to this, which is entirely possible due to the "ghosts" of coding...But I can promise you mine does, and it cost me a franchise game. This is killing my desire to play the game given I only play my offline franchise (for the sim experience), and the aura of sim baseball is being greatly affected.

[GeorgePatton360]

Re: Baserunning

The problem is still there, but its not nearly as bad. I just completed a game where I had a player with 49 speed score from first on a double. He ran well the entire time around the bases. However, I also had a player with 70 speed slide into 3rd just as the LF got to the ball on another no doubt double later in the game. He certainly should have scored. I might have been able to override him using the R stick and the X button, but I'm really not used to it after years of auto working well, and I timed it poorly.

You say that you're new to the series and I get that, but they have years of goodwill built up with me. I'm confidant that they'll get this ironed out. The last patch fixed most of what was wrong with the previous one.

I hear you...It's a great game, but a BR flaw is potentially fatal given the mechanics of Baseball etc. This is particularly true for folks like me playing an NL franchise in which EVERY run counts.

I always use the left stick and individual inputs. I come from 2k, in which I always used manual running, so individual inputs for BR is not the problem for me.

Also, I've never found the "Advance/Retreat all" input to be responsive in this game.

I would hope in future iterations of this game they will allow for "manual" control of BR's for folks like me.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Baserunning

I don't think anyone is denying it - I'm certainly not, at least, since it did happen to me (once). I'm just trying to help narrow down what the problem is so the people who are having it happen might still be able to enjoy the game.

If I feel like I'm just wasting my time, I'll gladly bow out and just let this thread turn into non-stop complaining again instead of useful discussion. "Useful" because the devs read these threads, regardless of what anyone might think.

Hey B,

So like you I look for solutions and your a very valuable member here and are greatly appreciated.

Let me get this out of the way for The previous poster (GeorgePatton) since we are giving credentials here.

I am 46 and have been playing console sports games across all systems and sports (baseball, football, basketball hockey etc) since before you were born....so that's out of the way.

I have now played over 85 games offline in franchise between 3 franchises. I have had exactly one odd occurrence of base running (pre and post both patches) on the following settings:

Default
Assisted Sliding

So no auto base-running (or classic base-running which was fixed on 1.05). I control everything on the base paths.

The only thing I had happen to me was a runner on 3rd, I hit a sharp screaming line drive into LF through the 6 hole and my runner on third dove back to the bag. And you know what.....I knew why. Now typically your supposed to freeze on a line drive till it get's out of the infield, but the AI was convinced this ball was going to be caught after it cleared the infield by the LF who in fact dove forward for it but came up short as the ball bounced into the turf. However I had no time to get my runner to go home....way too late.

That was the only time I had ever seen a runner just slide or dive into bag that cost me a run.

When I hit a single up the middle I do exactly like you do. I highlight my base-runner on second and hit "X" and every single time he has rounded and headed home.

Not once has he slid into third after clearly giving the command to run home (and that command is seen on the base-running diagram this year when you give it) promptly.

If it is happening to you....man....please make a video. I want to see it. I want to see exactly when you give that command to head home.

Show a video, twitch or You-tube your games and upload the video to the bug report at The Show Nation.

Visual proof and the ability to recreate the bug over over....makes it a bug. But they need to see it. Because they obviously have had a very hard time re-creating it.


There very well may be a real problem....but saying it is not enough. It just is not. It must be able to be re-created by us as well as the development team for them to address it and classify it as a true bug for a patch fix.

Sorry your having issues.....but I have the same game. I am not having those issues running the bases.

So how do we explain that?

I am going to upload videos of this as I play games this week.....that exact thing. Singles up the middle, (and for that matter to right field too) man on second and giving them the command to head home. I will upload as many as I can this week and next to this thread. All of them are either gunned down or sliding in safe. I have not had one slide into third when I clearly give them the command within a second or two of the ball being hit to head home.

If I get one who slides into third after giving the go home command in a very timely manner like I have hundreds upon hundreds of times over the course of the last three versions of this game on the PS4 I will also post it of course.

I really hope it is not a bug. Because it seems we have a disconnect when I have never seen it....yet you and other players seem to see it often.

It's strange. I would love to know which copy of the game I have.

Also if your trying to use L1 vs giving an individual base-runner command (which I don't recommend) you need to hold that down and make sure he rounds that base.....the problem you run into is your hitter will round second base and maybe get thrown out at second. Also I see many player release L1 far to soon and the command is not registered. hence why I don't suggest you use L1 much at all unless your sending multiple runners around on well hit balls in gaps and corners.

Get into a good habit of just giving the lead runner the command to go home with the left stick (highlight him) and hit "X" and you will see his icon register the command to head home. It works fine.

The only time I use L1 to advance runners is when I have multiple base runners on and I lace a bomb in the gaps and know I am sending multiple runners for extra bags. Otherwise you can get into a cluster f*** really fast leaning on L1 to advance runners. I much prefer using individual commands.

Also I think base-running is a weak part of The Show....but it was IMO drastically improved this year!!! I love the visual cues far better this year. I know when commands are recognized as the game tells me this year in the base runner icon display....much better now. Also seeing speed and base stealing ability is huge, and the cat and mouse game with lead off's and pickoff's and the higher difficulty to steal is much welcomed this year.

They did a great job on that and made it a game within a game this year.

[GeorgePatton360]

Re: Baserunning

Hey B,

So like you I look for solutions and your a very valuable member here and are greatly appreciated.

Let me get this out of the way for The previous poster (GeorgePatton) since we are giving credentials here.

I am 46 and have been playing console sports games across all systems and sports (baseball, football, basketball hockey etc) since before you were born....so that's out of the way.

I have now played over 85 games offline in franchise between 3 franchises. I have had exactly one odd occurrence of base running (pre and post both patches) on the following settings:

Default
Assisted Sliding

So no auto base-running (or classic base-running which was fixed on 1.05). I control everything on the base paths.

The only thing I had happen to me was a runner on 3rd, I hit a sharp screaming line drive into LF through the 6 hole and my runner on third dove back to the bag. And you know what.....I knew why. Now typically your supposed to freeze on a line drive till it get's out of the infield, but the AI was convinced this ball was going to be caught after it cleared the infield by the LF who in fact dove forward for it but came up short as the ball bounced into the turf. However I had no time to get my runner to go home....way too late.

That was the only time I had ever seen a runner just slide or dive into bag that cost me a run.

When I hit a single up the middle I do exactly like you do. I highlight my base-runner on second and hit "X" and every single time he has rounded and headed home.

Not once has he slid into third after clearly giving the command to run home (and that command is seen on the base-running diagram this year when you give it) promptly.

If it is happening to you....man....please make a video. I want to see it. I want to see exactly when you give that command to head home.

Show a video, twitch or You-tube your games and upload the video to the bug report at The Show Nation.

Visual proof and the ability to recreate the bug over over....makes it a bug. But they need to see it. Because they obviously have had a very hard time re-creating it.


There very well may be a real problem....but saying it is not enough. It just is not. It must be able to be re-created by us as well as the development team for them to address it and classify it as a true bug for a patch fix.

Sorry your having issues.....but I have the same game. I am not having those issues running the bases.

So how do we explain that?

I am going to upload videos of this as I play games this week.....that exact thing. Singles up the middle, (and for that matter to right field too) man on second and giving them the command to head home. I will upload as many as I can this week and next to this thread. All of them are either gunned down or sliding in safe. I have not had one slide into third when I clearly give them the command within a second or two of the ball being hit to head home.

If I get one who slides into third after giving the go home command in a very timely manner like I have hundreds upon hundreds of times over the course of the last three versions of this game on the PS4 I will also post it of course.

I really hope it is not a bug. Because it seems we have a disconnect when I have never seen it....yet you and other players seem to see it often.

It's strange. I would love to know which copy of the game I have.

Also if your trying to use L1 vs giving an individual base-runner command (which I don't recommend) you need to hold that down and make sure he rounds that base.....the problem you run into is your hitter will round second base and maybe get thrown out at second. Also I see many player release L1 far to soon and the command is not registered. hence why I don't suggest you use L1 much at all unless your sending multiple runners around on well hit balls in gaps and corners.

Get into a good habit of just giving the lead runner the command to go home with the left stick (highlight him) and hit "X" and you will see his icon register the command to head home. It works fine.

The only time I use L1 to advance runners is when I have multiple base runners on and I lace a bomb in the gaps and know I am sending multiple runners for extra bags. Otherwise you can get into a cluster f*** really fast leaning on L1 to advance runners. I much prefer using individual commands.

Also I think base-running is a weak part of The Show....but it was IMO drastically improved this year!!! I love the visual cues far better this year. I know when commands are recognized as the game tells me this year in the base runner icon display....much better now. Also seeing speed and base stealing ability is huge, and the cat and mouse game with lead off's and pickoff's and the higher difficulty to steal is much welcomed this year.

They did a great job on that and made it a game within a game this year.

LOL, K dude. You're 46, I'm 33...I don't recall any "sim" games in the 80's that are pertinent to the conversation, given technology being employed back then was essentially in its infancy.

All things considered, I don't see how your age or experience supersedes mine...IN ANY WAY.

I'm not gonna link the PLETHORA of threads on the issues, on various gaming sites, from various people.

The evidence for the BR issues makes the matter a SCIENTIFIC fact, and not one of mere wanton opinion and emotion.

I get some of you are entrenched on this site, have 40k plus posts, etc etc That doesn't mean your opinion is any more valid than that of others, particularly based on a matter of science and fact (a la the thousands of people posting on the matter).

I qualified my experience as a means to make clear I know my baseball games, and that my post is not based upon some mere emotional reaction, but, again, scientific observation. Honestly, I find your need to qualify your experience as superior to mine to be erroneous and just a little condescending.

I'm happy to contribute and work towards a solution, and my posting today is meant to merely to make clear I am another experiencing the issues, but arguing whether or not the problem exists is a little asinine at this point.

I didn't start a new (redundant) thread, I didn't start a "hey devs" thread, I merely posted in THE BR thread and made clear that it is happening to an experienced player such as myself.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Baserunning

LOL, K dude. You're 46, I'm 33...I don't recall any "sim" games in the 80's that are pertinent to the conversation, given technology being employed back then was essentially in its infancy.

All things considered, I don't see how your age or experience supersedes mine...IN ANY WAY.

I'm not gonna link the PLETHORA of threads on the issues, on various gaming sites, from various people.

The evidence for the BR issues makes the matter a SCIENTIFIC fact, and not one of mere wanton opinion and emotion.

I get some of you are entrenched on this site, have 40k plus posts, etc etc That doesn't mean your opinion is any more valid than that of others, particularly based on a matter of science and fact (a la the thousands of people posting on the matter).

I qualified my experience as a means to make clear I know my baseball games, and that my post is not based upon some mere emotional reaction, but, again, scientific observation. Honestly, I find your need to qualify your experience as superior to mine to be erroneous and just a little condescending.

I'm happy to contribute and work towards a solution, and my posting today is meant to merely to make clear I am another experiencing the issues, but arguing whether or not the problem exists is a little asinine at this point.

I didn't start a new (redundant) thread, I didn't start a "hey devs" thread, I merely posted in THE BR thread and made clear that it is happening to an experienced player such as myself.

You completely read my post and totally took it the wrong way. Did you happen to notice the It's called sarcasm.

Anyway.....scientific fact huh? I am not arguing if it exists. I have yet to see your exact situation in all the games I have played thus far....odd you think?

Show me don't tell me. That is what I pose to anyone who has an issue.

Show the video of the exact thing you keep saying is happening over and over.

Pretty simple. Something that is broken.....does not choose when it is. It just is. But sometimes it is a perfect storm in a video game code in a certain rare situation that a bug can jump out.

So show the Dev team this bug via video....that is how things get fixed if they are "broken".

I am going to show it not happening...and believe me if I see it happen....it will be reported and uploaded on a bug report.

[Kotter]

Re: Baserunning

You completely read my post and totally took it the wrong way. Did you happen to notice the It's called sarcasm.

Anyway.....scientific fact huh? I am not arguing if it exists. I have yet to see your exact situation in all the games I have played thus far....odd you think?

Show me don't tell me. That is what I pose to anyone who has an issue.

Show the video of the exact thing you keep saying is happening over and over.

Pretty simple. Something that is broken.....does not choose when it is. It just is. But sometimes it is a perfect storm in a video game code in a certain rare situation that a bug can jump out.

So show the Dev team this bug via video....that is how things get fixed if they are "broken".

I am going to show it not happening...and believe me if I see it happen....it will be reported and uploaded on a bug report.

I was one of the first to complain about the baserunners sliding I to bases problem. It frustrated me quite a bit because as I stated earlier I've been playing the Show with default baserunning and controlling individual runners for as long as I can remember.

Anyway, I finally found a workaround that worked for me. I changed to auto baserunning with manual override and I haven't had a single issue since. It's so refreshing to finally play the game without baserunning blunders like I've been doing for years. Give it a try I really hope it works for you guys.

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[countryboy]

Re: Baserunning

I have both set to Assisted...NEVER USE L1 given that it NEVER REALLY WORKED OUT OF THE BOX to begin with....

I always direct my runners individually.

Perhaps your particular game has been immune to this, which is entirely possible due to the "ghosts" of coding...But I can promise you mine does, and it cost me a franchise game. This is killing my desire to play the game given I only play my offline franchise (for the sim experience), and the aura of sim baseball is being greatly affected.

Try changing your sliding option from AUTO to ASSISTED and see if that stops runners from sliding when they are instructed to advance past that particular base.

Could be an issue with AUTO sliding and not an issue with the ASSISTED baserunning controls.

The better you can narrow down the variables, the better chance you have of it being recreated by the dev team so that they can find that code and get it fixed.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Baserunning

Try changing your sliding option from AUTO to ASSISTED and see if that stops runners from sliding when they are instructed to advance past that particular base.

Could be an issue with AUTO sliding and not an issue with the ASSISTED baserunning controls.

The better you can narrow down the variables, the better chance you have of it being recreated by the dev team so that they can find that code and get it fixed.

He stated both are set to assisted (Default running and sliding)

So he is seeing this problem without using L1..giving direct commands to his base-runner on second on a base hit up the middle to head home...and he slides into third instead.

[countryboy]

Re: Baserunning

He stated both are set to assisted (Default running and sliding)

So he is seeing this problem without using L1..giving direct commands to his base-runner on second on a base hit up the middle to head home...and he slides into third instead.

Oh I misread what he wrote then. I thought he was only using assisted baserunning.

I'm not sure then. I haven't seen the issue myself.