LOVE the game but how in the heck are Schwarber and Soler's potential a B?

[eric7064]

Re: LOVE the game but how in the heck are Schwarber and Soler's potential a B?

Schwarber by no means is great defensively. But he's actually better then he gets credit for in left. The playoffs he had those 2 errors which made him look a mess and I think was the impression people remembered.

He's actually a Damn good athlete and can run pretty well. Again not saying great defensively. But everyone saying should be a DH etc.. you haven't watched him play enough.

I'd say he deserves an A over Baez who hasn't shown much success at the ML level. Soler I'd say is a B. And I think they have him an 88 potential. So Damn near close to a A.

[hawks223]

Re: LOVE the game but how in the heck are Schwarber and Soler's potential a B?

Schwarber by no means is great defensively. But he's actually better then he gets credit for in left. The playoffs he had those 2 errors which made him look a mess and I think was the impression people remembered.

He's actually a Damn good athlete and can run pretty well. Again not saying great defensively. But everyone saying should be a DH etc.. you haven't watched him play enough.

I'd say he deserves an A over Baez who hasn't shown much success at the ML level. Soler I'd say is a B. And I think they have him an 88 potential. So Damn near close to a A.

He's still below average defensively at every position he plays. Having him in the field is a negative anyway you swing it. I will say he's not Pedro Alvarez or Delmon Young bad, but below league average. I wouldn't be upset if he had A, as you said he's more deserving of it than the others you mentioned. I have a higher opinion on his prospect than that of Almora, Soler, or Baez. IMO Baez and Almora will be irrelevant before too long, Soler will be a decent player if he finds some consistency.

[Bunselpower32]

Re: LOVE the game but how in the heck are Schwarber and Soler's potential a B?

There is no universe where Soler gets to have an A potential. No possible way. Just because he had a crazy good series against the Cardinals doesn't give him an A pot. By that logic, Stephen Piscotty deserves an A as well because he crushed the Cubs in that very same series, and I think Piscotty deserves a mid to high B because he can run and throw as well as rake. Soler hit 10 homers in 100 games last year and struck out more than once a game and had a pedestrian average. For goodness' sake, the man had a negative WAR last year.

Schwarber is big and not that great on defense. He has the potential to have a lot of power and if he works at it, a high average. But he hit under .250 last year and there is no spot on the field for him as of now. With his lack of everything not hitting related, he simply cannot be pushed over that 90 threshold, everyone over that has more than one dimension with the exception of Miguel Cabrera. It seems like you want us to not judge his defense by the postseason, but also give additional credit to these guys because of the postseason.

[El_MaYiMbE]

Re: LOVE the game but how in the heck are Schwarber and Soler's potential a B?

An "A" potential player to me is a player that has skill set to be the best player at their position through out a few seasons when they reach their prime. Trout, Correa, Machado, Harper, etc....

Schwerber is not even the best player on his team, let alone at his position across the majors (not talking defense either)

He is an okay catcher, and not a very good OF.

B potential is strictly off of his hitting, which is good but not MVP or "best" at position level.
Also I know this is potential, so we are looking at future production....

Nothing about Schwerber indicates he will be the best OF or C; or in that conversation now or in the near future. He is a solid ball player...a B player to me.

There is a lot of homerism in your argument for him.
Dont even get me started on Soler...

[Nulap]

Re: LOVE the game but how in the heck are Schwarber and Soler's potential a B?

You obviously watch the Cubs like never. He's an athlete. He's like 5lbs less than Rizzo

He's also 3 inches shorter.

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[El_MaYiMbE]

Re: LOVE the game but how in the heck are Schwarber and Soler's potential a B?

He's also 3 inches shorter.

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....and....uhm...fluffier....

[Nulap]

Re: LOVE the game but how in the heck are Schwarber and Soler's potential a B?

....and....uhm...fluffier....

Maybe it's a more aerodynamic fluffy...

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[Cavicchi]

Re: LOVE the game but how in the heck are Schwarber and Soler's potential a B?

I don't have a problem with Schwarber and Soler being a B potential, and I like both players, especially Schwarber. What gets me, and I'm not a Mets fan, is why should deGrom have an overall of 93 and potential of 91? He was rookie of the year and B potential in MLBTS 15. Now, after two solid seasons, his potential is regressing!

Syndergaard has 89 for overall and potential of 90. Okay, the guy is 23 years old and expected to progress one point. Yes, you could edit them, but why should it be necessary? Archie Bradley of the D-backs, pitched a few games in majors and now in Minors, has 92 for potential. I wonder which young pitcher (both 23) GM's think has more potential, Syndergaard or Bradley.

[El_MaYiMbE]

Re: LOVE the game but how in the heck are Schwarber and Soler's potential a B?

I don't have a problem with Schwarber and Soler being a B potential, and I like both players, especially Schwarber. What gets me, and I'm not a Mets fan, is why should deGrom have an overall of 93 and potential of 91? He was rookie of the year and B potential in MLBTS 15. Now, after two solid seasons, his potential is regressing!

Syndergaard has 89 for overall and potential of 90. Okay, the guy is 23 years old and expected to progress one point. Yes, you could edit them, but why should it be necessary? Archie Bradley of the D-backs, pitched a few games in majors and now in Minors, has 92 for potential. I wonder which young pitcher (both 23) GM's think has more potential, Syndergaard or Bradley.

I think in deGrom's case he has reached close to his max rating.I do not think he will be better than a 93 overall in the future. Maybe a 95 with an out of this world season. Anything beyond that he is cracking Kershaw, Arrieta, Verlander (back in the day) territory, where they are basically Cy Young AND MVP quality pitchers.

I do not think deGrom is that, at least not at the trajectory he is on now.
Remember these are estimates, if he does have an out of this world season like (again) Arrieta, he will be bumped up accordingly in an update or next year's game.

Ratings, including potential, are very fluid from one roster update to the next. In fact they added a roster update summary to show you which player ratings changed and by how much.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: LOVE the game but how in the heck are Schwarber and Soler's potential a B?

Soler whiffs to much with to few homer to go with that to warrant an A.
Schwarber's batting avg. is holding him back. He could wind up with 30+ HR & his projected WARP tells me, if anything, while neither Soler or Schwarber are A material, Soler's potential should be slightly less than Schwarber's. Soler's projected WARP is .9 & Schwarber's is 4. That's for the short-term potential. Long-term, if either, or both have breakout standout season's in 2016, then that would merit a bump in potential for Show 17. But where we stand today is closer to the mid to high 80's they earned for Show 16.

[Cavicchi]

Re: LOVE the game but how in the heck are Schwarber and Soler's potential a B?

I think in deGrom's case he has reached close to his max rating.I do not think he will be better than a 93 overall in the future. Maybe a 95 with an out of this world season. Anything beyond that he is cracking Kershaw, Arrieta, Verlander (back in the day) territory, where they are basically Cy Young AND MVP quality pitchers.

I do not think deGrom is that, at least not at the trajectory he is on now.
Remember these are estimates, if he does have an out of this world season like (again) Arrieta, he will be bumped up accordingly in an update or next year's game.

Ratings, including potential, are very fluid from one roster update to the next. In fact they added a roster update summary to show you which player ratings changed and by how much.

You missed my point. It is not about deGrom's overall, it was about deGrom's potential. Overall is 93 and Potential is 91. Why should his potential be less than Bradley who is now in the minors? Considering what deGrom has done compared to Bradley, check it out, deGrom should have a higher potential. I don't see why deGrom's potential should be lower than his overall. For quite a few years now they had Strasburg with a 98 potential, now it's a 94.

Now, no one can accurately predict what all players are going to do this year. What you do know is what they have done. People pitching with deGrom did not get the "real" deGrom in this game during 2014 and 2015. He was a B potential in both, and even after winning ROTY in 2014.

There, that's my rant about deGrom

[El_MaYiMbE]

Re: LOVE the game but how in the heck are Schwarber and Soler's potential a B?

You missed my point. It is not about deGrom's overall, it was about deGrom's potential. Overall is 93 and Potential is 91. Why should his potential be less than Bradley who is now in the minors? Considering what deGrom has done compared to Bradley, check it out, deGrom should have a higher potential. I don't see why deGrom's potential should be lower than his overall. For quite a few years now they had Strasburg with a 98 potential, now it's a 94.

Now, no one can accurately predict what all players are going to do this year. What you do know is what they have done. People pitching with deGrom did not get the "real" deGrom in this game during 2014 and 2015. He was a B potential in both, and even after winning ROTY in 2014.

There, that's my rant about deGrom

I understood completely and maybe I did not do a good job explaining.

I am sure there is some sort of formula of rating vs potential. So if your potential is lets say 98 and you already are a 95 rating, I am assuming, there is a very high chance you can still improve in the game...yet in real life you are probably as good as you are going to be.

I think deGrom is near his max, he can still improve, but only slightly and most likely not (still an ace on almost any staff, so no knock). This is probably as good as he is going to get so they did not give him lets say 99 potential.

Stephen Strausburg is not a 93 rated player, and still trying to live up to his real potential, so its built into his ratings to potentially allow him to reach it...deGrom already did, and still has his potential pretty high to probably increase a little more.

[Cavicchi]

Re: LOVE the game but how in the heck are Schwarber and Soler's potential a B?

I understood completely and maybe I did not do a good job explaining.

I am sure there is some sort of formula of rating vs potential. So if your potential is lets say 98 and you already are a 95 rating, I am assuming, there is a very high chance you can still improve in the game...yet in real life you are probably as good as you are going to be.

I think deGrom is near his max, he can still improve, but only slightly and most likely not (still an ace on almost any staff, so no knock). This is probably as good as he is going to get so they did not give him lets say 99 potential.

Stephen Strausburg is not a 93 rated player, and still trying to live up to his real potential, so its built into his ratings to potentially allow him to reach it...deGrom already did, and still has his potential pretty high to probably increase a little more.

You can assume this and think that but we are not going to agree, best to leave it alone.

Have a nice day!

[Teigh Cubs Teigh]

Re: LOVE the game but how in the heck are Schwarber and Soler's potential a B?

Schwarber is actually very good baserunner despite his lack of speed and I would put him squarely as a league average defender. He is definitely better than most people think he is. His misplays in the playoffs are not indicative of the player that I saw through most of the season. He's not a butcher out there typically speaking. I think he could get a little better than league average as everything I've ever read about him has indicated that the kid has a heck of a work-ethic and desire to improve. I absolutely adore the man, but that being said I think he is probably just a B potential. High B, but a B. I think that's fair for him.

As for Soler, I could easily see him exploding and becoming an elite player or I could see him never being healthy enough to be anything more than he is right now. I think because of his very boom or bust profile (in my completely not a scout opinion) a B is fair for him as well.

I'm a huge Cubs fan and have watched a large amount of baseball being played by these two men and I have no qualms with their potentials. If either of them takes a large step forward this year, which is possible in my opinion, then they should see healthy bumps in next year's game.

[Cavicchi]

Re: LOVE the game but how in the heck are Schwarber and Soler's potential a B?

Schwarber is actually very good baserunner despite his lack of speed and I would put him squarely as a league average defender. He is definitely better than most people think he is. His misplays in the playoffs are not indicative of the player that I saw through most of the season. He's not a butcher out there typically speaking. I think he could get a little better than league average as everything I've ever read about him has indicated that the kid has a heck of a work-ethic and desire to improve. I absolutely adore the man, but that being said I think he is probably just a B potential. High B, but a B. I think that's fair for him.

As for Soler, I could easily see him exploding and becoming an elite player or I could see him never being healthy enough to be anything more than he is right now. I think because of his very boom or bust profile (in my completely not a scout opinion) a B is fair for him as well.

I'm a huge Cubs fan and have watched a large amount of baseball being played by these two men and I have no qualms with their potentials. If either of them takes a large step forward this year, which is possible in my opinion, then they should see healthy bumps in next year's game.

So how do you feel about Javier Baez being an A potential? Just asking....