SCEA Bans Many Players for Using Exploits in MLB The Show 16

[woodjer]

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I admit I don't buy or sell but Sony maybe standing on very weak grounds here.
So say I put in an order to buy. Then I see the cost goes up. I cancel my order on the ps4,
see it's still showing as an active order on my phone or pc, try to cancel again thinking it didn;t cancel correcttly the first time. Even if I did this multiple multiple times, is Sony claiming I (& everyone else) did this to defraud them, even if I had zero intent to do such? I think this has the potential to get very ugly for Sony. They may want to get some damage control going, as far as public perception. I smell a class action lawsuit coming.

I think doing it once, maybe twice, is understandable. If you keep clicking and don't bother to report that it's not working, you start treading into murky water. Suddenly, you have a lot more stubs than you did before and you just go ahead and use them, it gets kinda tough to have people believe you didn't do it intentionally if you still reaped the benefits of it. That's not to say that it WAS intentional...just that it gets harder and harder to prove that it wasn't. Basically, it's what they BELIEVE your intent was. Whether that was actually true or not is something that you need to work out.

Think of it like depositing a check electronically. If you do it once and it doesn't show in your account so you keep doing it 10 times trying to get it to work and then just give up and never call. Then suddenly you have a bunch more money in your account so you go out and buy a new TV with the extra cash. The bank is going to report you for fraud first and then use their data to prosecute you. Now the burden is on you to explain why their data is incorrect. If you just tried twice, reported it, and/or didn't spend the money when you noticed it, it's much easier to say it was an accident.

[NDAlum]

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Just give people the option to make Sony "whole". Pay for the stubs you "stole" and all is right and get re-instated.

Or just have to give them back before you can earn any.

[extremeskins04]

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If doing this a few times is okay with Sony, I don't know how they can ban you for passing a threshold that they haven't stated, "Don't exceed this limit, you will be banned".
What Sony should have done was fixed the damn glitch, moved on with no bans, eat their real or imagined loss, and be done with it.

Come on, there's a logical difference between someone doing it a couple of times versus 30 or 50 times.

There shouldn't need to be a limit that is set by Sony. People should use common sense. Don't cheat and you have nothing to worry about.

By your logic, if I robbed a bank, they should have fixed their slow response time, moved on with no prison time and the bank should just eat the loss.

[Speedy]

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In the thread in the DD subforum I posted 6 tweets from Russell telling people how many times they did this and for how much. It was like people said 30 times for over 100K stubs. I'll quote the post here later on my phone right now.


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Here you go:

Here's 6 tweets from 2 days ago of Ramone calling people out Twitter...and I found them all in under 5 minutes. So there's definitely more out there.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/djro22">@djro22</a> 33 exploits for a total over over 500k in stubs</p>&mdash; Ramone Russell (@Ramone_Russell) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ramone_Russell/status/747597996842311680">June 28, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/trevteepz">@trevteepz</a> Yup you did you also did the exploit for over 3 million in stubs.</p>&mdash; Ramone Russell (@Ramone_Russell) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ramone_Russell/status/747590700741472257">June 28, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/trevteepz">@trevteepz</a> Your PSN did the exploit 41 times for 3 Million stubs you were in the top 1% of exploiters</p>&mdash; Ramone Russell (@Ramone_Russell) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ramone_Russell/status/747587094764105728">June 28, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/MattBolich">@MattBolich</a> You did the exploit 32 times</p>&mdash; Ramone Russell (@Ramone_Russell) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ramone_Russell/status/747570969036787712">June 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/philip_sopiarz">@philip_sopiarz</a> your account exploited 58 times for a few hundred thousand stubs</p>&mdash; Ramone Russell (@Ramone_Russell) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ramone_Russell/status/747562219643240448">June 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/RW_Robert">@RW_Robert</a> yeah you exploited over 1 million in stubs</p>&mdash; Ramone Russell (@Ramone_Russell) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ramone_Russell/status/747560391463546882">June 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I was expecting the number of transaction to be a bit higher but >500K is a ton.

[ubernoob]

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One quick trick to get your stubs! Find out why developers hate him!

[extremeskins04]

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Here you go:




I was expecting the number of transaction to be a bit higher but >500K is a ton.

Yup Speedy. Sounds to me like someone doing it 33 times isn't "by accident'. These people clearly cheated the system. You don't accidentally do this 33 times lol.

[ShowTyme15]

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This was sad and funny. Guy tried to call Ramone out and Ramone got him back. Guy did the exploit 41 times and got over 3 million stubs and had the audacity to ask what he did wrong. LOL the hilarity. Dude even said "Ramone I challenge you to tell what I did wrong."

[dherrera1015]

Anyone get banned but didn't cheat and wouldn't even know how to if they even tried?? I hope I'm not the only one. I sent an email to SSD last night. No reply yet.

Edit: I posted this without reading the thread because I was being lazy. Obviously there are others like me. I try to flip cards in the market, but only do one card at a time, usually an Altuve, Donaldson, Harper if he's cheap enough, and others. I've been making 1-4k profits for over a month now and have only really profited about 20-30k stubs (estimate). I don't understand the whole "cancel order" then "immediately cancel after" stuff. I do that when someone undercuts me, so I cancel my order and then put in a new one to undercut that guy again. I usually give up after awhile or if the profit margin is too small to even care enough anymore.

But isn't what I have done what everyone else does in the market? Or was this an example of me exploiting the system but I just wasn't aware? If it is the latter, well then that just doesn't make sense to me.

[countryboy]

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This was sad and funny. Guy tried to call Ramone out and Ramone got him back. Guy did the exploit 41 times and got over 3 million stubs and had the audacity to ask what he did wrong. LOL the hilarity. Dude even said "Ramone I challenge you to tell what I did wrong."

What's sad is that no one accepts responsibility for any wrong doing, just keep trying to find someone to place the blame on.

You cheated and got caught. Deal with the consequences.

[NDAlum]

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I once got a paycheck that had like $1,500 extra on it. I knew it wasn't mine. I notified HR so they could find the mistake. I didn't keep it and tell my employer to eat the mistake.

Actually I also just closed on my house in June and they gave me an over payment of $2,000. I wrote a check to make things right.

[ShowTyme15]

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What's sad is that no one accepts responsibility for any wrong doing, just keep trying to find someone to place the blame on.

You cheated and got caught. Deal with the consequences.

I know man. It's pathetic. Welcome to America.

[redsox4evur]

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Here you go:




I was expecting the number of transaction to be a bit higher but >500K is a ton.

Thanks boss. And I can the lower # of transactions guys putting bids in on guys like Trout, Harper and any other high priced item. That's around 80K per time.


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[Speedy]

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Sox, that makes me think...

I wonder if it was the same transaction being cancelled multiple times versus various ones over the length of time the game's been out. So if you have a Trout or Kershaw and cancel that transaction like 5 times (same day?) to get a ton of stubs. That kindly goes back to the line in the sand that SCEA determined was ban-worthy.

[Finn]

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What's sad is that no one accepts responsibility for any wrong doing, just keep trying to find someone to place the blame on.

You cheated and got caught. Deal with the consequences.

In addition how some think that the bans are only being handed out because Sony is angry and spiteful, forgetting the fact that the transaction of Stubs is a very real currency to them.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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I think doing it once, maybe twice, is understandable. If you keep clicking and don't bother to report that it's not working, you start treading into murky water. Suddenly, you have a lot more stubs than you did before and you just go ahead and use them, it gets kinda tough to have people believe you didn't do it intentionally if you still reaped the benefits of it. That's not to say that it WAS intentional...just that it gets harder and harder to prove that it wasn't. Basically, it's what they BELIEVE your intent was. Whether that was actually true or not is something that you need to work out.

Think of it like depositing a check electronically. If you do it once and it doesn't show in your account so you keep doing it 10 times trying to get it to work and then just give up and never call. Then suddenly you have a bunch more money in your account so you go out and buy a new TV with the extra cash. The bank is going to report you for fraud first and then use their data to prosecute you. Now the burden is on you to explain why their data is incorrect. If you just tried twice, reported it, and/or didn't spend the money when you noticed it, it's much easier to say it was an accident.

This works fine with a bank, but not so much with a video game. Sony is always readjusting my stubs, I don't even know exactly how they determine it. I have no proof of what, or why, they give me what that give me. and whether it's even intentional on their part or an "accident'.
I don't use the stubs, I don't even know how many I have. The stubs & XP definitely needs the kinks worked out. I have noticed that I at one time I went from a 25 level XP back to 2, then up
to 17, then back to 25. I didn't report it. All I want to do is play a game of baseball. I am not going to spend my free time helping Sony keep up with their imaginary tokens that means diddly squat to me. If their stub & XP system doesn't work the way they want it, they need to shut it down, & fix it. If they can't do that, they need to fire the person irresponsible & hire someone more competent. I don't even buy & sell on the Show, & this makes me angry. I can only imagine how someone falsely accused feels.