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  • HustlinOwl
    All Star
    • Mar 2004
    • 9713

    #31
    Re: Player morale

    Originally posted by bigmike0077
    i havent noticed this happen, or maybe i havent checked

    is this a common problem everyone is having?
    I will fire up my franchise tonight and take a look?

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    • consecutive27
      Rookie
      • Apr 2016
      • 119

      #32
      Re: Player morale

      I am glad the impact of morale is minimal, so even though I would probably get rid of it if it were up to me, it does not really affect my franchise much one way or another.

      The most reasonable way morale works, in my opinion, is with the role of position players. If I am an all star player and a team signs me, it almost goes without saying that I will be an everyday player, unless I am given a chance for much of the season and just play terribly. I could definitely understand a very good player being pissed about sitting the bench for most games. However, the distinction between a star and everyday player is pointless in my opinion. That is a difference that mainly comes out in their pay.

      Roles with starting pitchers are probably my biggest annoyance with the morale system. When I have 3 A potential starters, two of them are unhappy at any given time because they are not the "ace". This is comically ridiculous. How did Curt Schilling and Randy Johnson ever manage to co-exist? Maybe the Atlanta Braves could have won another World Series in the 90's, but damn Glavine was too upset at Maddux being the ace to pitch any better. He just could not let it go. Hey Bobby Cox, I am the real ace right? Right!? Can you add ace to my job description?

      As for salary expectations, of course players want to be paid more and roughly equivalent to their perceived value or overall rating. Okay that makes sense on the surface for a video game, however, players sometimes play better when they are not happy with their contract, it seems at times to serve as a motivating factor especially in a contract year.

      Hometown and compatriots more or less make sense to me, and I like how it is not important for everyone, natural variability, that's good.

      Minor leaguers should, of course, get that Mlb pay raise when they are called up. This is an odd oversight considering it works how it should in RTTS. But at least you can work around this somewhat by paying minor leaguers more if they have a good chance of being called up within the next season. You shouldn't have to do it, but you might as well. It has never prevented me from signing anyone important in the offseason.

      I can't really think of any other issues off the top of my head. Having said all this, I have played franchise a ton this year and these issues are very minor to me. I love the game overall and continue to play it regularly. In my opinion, unless you really enjoy the morale system as a kind of mini game within the game, it is pointless. I do not think it enhances realism. I am not one to attribute a great deal of importance to things like morale or chemistry. I am not saying they do not exist, but that they are borderline impossible to quantify and therefore should probably not be quantified in a game, unless you are just treating your players barbarically, like making them pay to do their own laundry in the stadium like they did back in the day (Blacksox anyone?) Rather than possibly spend a lot of time trying to make a morale system work better, I would get rid of it and move on to something more interesting and consequential, but that's just me.

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      • KBLover
        Hall Of Fame
        • Aug 2009
        • 12172

        #33
        Re: Player morale

        Originally posted by consecutive27
        The most reasonable way morale works, in my opinion, is with the role of position players. If I am an all star player and a team signs me, it almost goes without saying that I will be an everyday player, unless I am given a chance for much of the season and just play terribly.

        Well - that's not how "Star" works in the game. That makes sense irl...I mean putting Trout on the bench, he'd be like "what's up?" probably.

        But in this game, Trout as a #4 hitter is not a "star". It's literally tied to batting order position - has to be #1 to #3 in the order.

        It's funny because in my Boston franchise, I have Mallex Smith up top and he's giddy because he's a "star" but in my Marlins franchise, I have Chris Davis who's #4 and just "satisfied" because he's just an "everyday player".

        If it had "Top of the Order" or "Middle of the Order" like OOTP, then at least it would make some sense. Trout could get "Middle of the Order" (as hitters of his type often tend to do in OOTP) and that's probably where you'd put him anyway so...
        Last edited by KBLover; 09-20-2016, 11:43 AM.
        "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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        • consecutive27
          Rookie
          • Apr 2016
          • 119

          #34
          Re: Player morale

          Originally posted by KBLover
          Well - that's not how "Star" works in the game. That makes sense irl...I mean putting Trout on the bench, he'd be like "what's up?" probably.

          But in this game, Trout as a #4 hitter is not a "star". It's literally tied to batting order position - has to be #1 to #3 in the order.

          It's funny because in my Boston franchise, I have Mallex Smith up top and he's giddy because he's a "star" but in my Marlins franchise, I have Chris Davis who's #4 and just "satisfied" because he's just an "everyday player".

          If it had "Top of the Order" or "Middle of the Order" like OOTP, then at least it would make some sense. Trout could get "Middle of the Order" (as hitters of his type often tend to do in OOTP) and that's probably where you'd put him anyway so...
          Ahh, I see, I didn't know it was tied to the spot in the batting order. I never considered it when setting my lineup. This is probably why if I have a good middle infielder they often end up hating me. Good fielding ratings and speed usually, but often a mediocre bat and they find themselves batting 7th or 8th.

          Some of this stuff is ridiculous. Like you said in a previous post, okay if you are that mad why do you keep resigning with me? Or something to that effect. If they were mad all season and then would not negotiate with you, at least it would be consistent. It's like they are in a bad relationship with their team and are not very happy, but are afraid to leave them. Ha ha.

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          • KBLover
            Hall Of Fame
            • Aug 2009
            • 12172

            #35
            Re: Player morale

            Originally posted by consecutive27
            It's like they are in a bad relationship with their team and are not very happy, but are afraid to leave them. Ha ha.

            Stockholm Syndrome, maybe?

            Of course, when I renegotiate their contracts, I tell them all "you ain't no star" and they like "okay, just pay me a little more and I'll agree".

            Imagine THAT working on some of the true stars of MLB?
            "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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            • pagkerguy8
              Rookie
              • Jul 2004
              • 37

              #36
              Re: Player morale

              Originally posted by HustlinOwl
              Any info on this?

              seems to be fixed(at least for me)

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