MLB The Show 17 Trailer, Retro Mode Details Revealed

[Toledo]

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I don't usually play DD because I suck and when I play online I get smoked. I play RTTS alot of some franchise. I'll try DD a bit this year but RTTS is my go to. I have started a braves franchise to Polish up my skills. It seems lik all the online games, people find a cheese and then if you don't use that cheese, you lose.

[beau21]

MLB The Show 17 Trailer, Retro Mode Details Revealed

Does anyone have any hope of that custom team maybe meaning there's either a create-a-team or expansion mode for franchise? I'm sure this is false hope but hey its hope.

I'm very much hoping for this. After using NBA 2k's rebranding, uniform editor and sharing tools - I can't tell you how much I want these in MLB.


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[Turbojugend]

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I'm very much hoping for this. After using NBA 2k's rebranding, uniform editor and sharing tools - I can't tell you how much I want these in MLB.

NBA 2K's creation suite is definitely top-tier (maybe a little too top-tier if you ask the NCAA). Madden's is also pretty decent, and even NHL is catching up these days. This would be a great year for The Show to introduce a creation suite and expand on it for years to come.

[mrCPUgeek]

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Does anyone have any hope of that custom team maybe meaning there's either a create-a-team or expansion mode for franchise? I'm sure this is false hope but hey its hope.

My biggest "want". I considered holding my breath, but...

[dran1984]

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The fact sheet is a scam. The franchise mode has received very little attention in the last few years and it's completely stale. Adding stats is not a franchise overhaul. The additions were so minor that you could barely tell that anything was changed. They added a couple GM goals..wooo hooo! Give me a break. How bout editable coaches with more than just + - on a couple of attributes. How bout mid season contract extensions, expansion teams, player awards tracked in player card, team records, more immersed draft, better hall of fame inductions, etc. Dont insult me with a couple of tiny additions when for the most part the franchise mode has been untouched in 3 years

The coaching ratings are one of the biggest jokes in franchise. Not only do the certain attributes not even make sense, but they consistently give the best coaches in baseball low ratings. They should really address that.

[Culture Rot]

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All they can do is add more Classic players a few each year

because they have to negotiate 1 on 1 with the player or their estate to get permission (and pay them) to put their name and likeness in the game.

This is why you will never see full classic teams in the game anymore You are not going to see the game released with, let's say, the 1961 Yankees, 1967 Red Sox, 1975 Reds, etc. They can't because they players are no longer part of the MLBPA and would have to be negotiated 1 on 1 for all players that were on those teams.

Winner winner chicken dinner

Since you obviously liked that comment to specifically quote it, let me please respond to that comment and the straw man nature of it.

We do not NEED full classic teams. You don't have to license every player to ever play the game of baseball. We NEVER had full classic teams. When past games had classic teams, they didn't feature licensed players. Heres what they DID feature. Accurate uniforms, logos, jerseys, stadiums, and ratings. We ALWAYS had to create the players ourselves. At the time, we had better TOOLS. Heck, give us a Creation Suite like other next gen sports titles have, and I'm guessing the community will do the job themselves.

Again, Retro Mode does not need classic teams with licensed 40 man rosters to be a success.

Instead: Give us all the retro stuff we COULD have. That games did for over a decade. It was at one time a standard: Retro Jerseys, Stadiums, Presentation. All Star Baseball, MVP Baseball, MLB 2K. All games featured these things. Give us league customization. That won't cost a dime. We can purchase the retro DLC players available, and create the ones remaining that we need. Give the retro content a context that its worth playing in. Give us the tools ,and we will pay you back tenfold.

[kehlis]

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Since you obviously liked that comment to specifically quote it, let me please respond to that comment and the straw man nature of it.

We do not NEED full classic teams. You don't have to license every player to ever play the game of baseball. We NEVER had full classic teams. When past games had classic teams, they didn't feature licensed players. Heres what they DID feature. Accurate uniforms, logos, jerseys, stadiums, and ratings. We ALWAYS had to create the players ourselves. At the time, we had better TOOLS. Heck, give us a Creation Suite like other next gen sports titles have, and I'm guessing the community will do the job themselves.

Again, Retro Mode does not need classic teams with licensed 40 man rosters to be a success.

Instead: Give us all the retro stuff we COULD have. That games did for over a decade. It was at one time a standard: Retro Jerseys, Stadiums, Presentation. All Star Baseball, MVP Baseball, MLB 2K. All games featured these things. Give us league customization. That won't cost a dime. We can purchase the retro DLC players available, and create the ones remaining that we need. Give the retro content a context that its worth playing in. Give us the tools ,and we will pay you back tenfold.

So kind of like what EA used to do with NCAA football?

[Culture Rot]

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So kind of like what EA used to do with NCAA football?

I'm not sure what you mean bud, yes, but lets not forget NCAA Football was hardly the first or only game to include Creation Suites. MVP Baseball, Madden, NBA 2K, WWE 2K, all games included customization options not found in MLB The Show

I believe, and hope, the attitude by The Show team in the past has been, there are obstacles in the way of implementing retro content---so we just aren't going to go there AT ALL. I hope NOW, there is an attitude change of---lets include everything we CAN.

[Turbojugend]

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So kind of like what EA used to do with NCAA football?

Or what 2K currently does with the NBA series. In 2K17 I was able to retool their Season Mode into highly accurate current NCAA and throwback ABA seasons, complete with players, courts and jerseys. It's about as immersive as it gets without actually owning the license(s). Whether or not this crosses a line somewhere down the road remains to be seen, although I'm pretty sure the NCAA isn't exactly thrilled with some of the spot-on college team recreations currently residing on 2K's servers.

The point is that if the devs provide you with a robust set of creation tools, it only needs a vibrant community to take advantage of them and make something special, which NBA 2K (and I assume The Show) definitely have.

[Padgoi]

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The problem is gameplay wise this game is just about perfect has there are really only a few things that really need to be improved and graphics on the other hand are way behind NBA 2K and NHL. Out side of lighting the game dose not look much different then it did on ps3. If you compare player faces the shows faces are way behind NHL and NBA 2k. Those 2 games at times look photo realistic where this game does not. So with game play being almost perfect if graphics are not going to be improved then what is there really left to do to make this game any better?

No offense, but the Show 16 is FAR from perfect in terms of gameplay. How?

- Grounders down the line are singles 99.9% of the time (though this looks to be fixed in show 17)
- Pitcher not covering first on grounders to the first basemen resulting in an unrealistic number of infield hits.
- Bunting is ABSURDLY over-powered . . . still.
- The way the CPU manufactures rallies is insanely unrealistic. Real rallies are usually not comprised of the following sequence: error, walk, single, single, single, single, double, single, HR, single, k, double play.
- Animations on fly balls still kick in too late on hard hit liners, resulting in funky looking fly balls that hit fielders in the head, shoulder, stomach, etc. And the worst part is these are ruled HITS!
- The strike zone is still called WAY too high and WAY too inconsistently. Yes, umpires miss calls, but the complete lack of consistency for every umpire in the game is mind-blowing.
- Grounders up the middle that ricochet off the pitcher, yet the pitcher seems completely unfazed as he retrieves the ball in a second to get the runner at first.
- Cat-like reflexes from catchers jumping out of crouches to catch pop flies and field grounders.
- WAYYYYY too many infield pop ups and dinky ground balls in front of the plate.

This is just off-hand. Yes, the graphics can use an overhaul and the player models and grass look antiquated, but man, if you fix these nagging gameplay issues, I'd be more than satisfied.

[Culture Rot]

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Or what 2K currently does with the NBA series. In 2K17 I was able to retool their Season Mode into highly accurate current NCAA and throwback ABA seasons, complete with players, courts and jerseys. It's about as immersive as it gets without actually owning the license(s).

Can you link me to this bud, id love to check out what you manged

[Turbojugend]

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No prob man. I can't link to everything as it would blow up the board, but here are the images I built for my throwback ABA franchise:

Spoiler

FWIW, I'm a graphic designer so I'm super-critical about the details. Some of these logos only existed as low-res on the web so I rebuilt them as vectors, which if you know anything about design can take ages. Some didn't exist at all so I had to build them from scratch. It took me weeks to fully build my ABA franchise but it looks killer and I'm super-happy with it.

[bronxbombers21325]

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Since you obviously liked that comment to specifically quote it, let me please respond to that comment and the straw man nature of it.

We do not NEED full classic teams. You don't have to license every player to ever play the game of baseball. We NEVER had full classic teams. When past games had classic teams, they didn't feature licensed players. Heres what they DID feature. Accurate uniforms, logos, jerseys, stadiums, and ratings. We ALWAYS had to create the players ourselves. At the time, we had better TOOLS. Heck, give us a Creation Suite like other next gen sports titles have, and I'm guessing the community will do the job themselves.

Again, Retro Mode does not need classic teams with licensed 40 man rosters to be a success.

Instead: Give us all the retro stuff we COULD have. That games did for over a decade. It was at one time a standard: Retro Jerseys, Stadiums, Presentation. All Star Baseball, MVP Baseball, MLB 2K. All games featured these things. Give us league customization. That won't cost a dime. We can purchase the retro DLC players available, and create the ones remaining that we need. Give the retro content a context that its worth playing in. Give us the tools ,and we will pay you back tenfold.

Until we can finally get past the limited uniform slots, we will never be able to have all the tools necessary to do this sadly. I'm very shocked that this deep into the new gen systems we are still dealing with this.

[capa]

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Since you obviously liked that comment to specifically quote it, let me please respond to that comment and the straw man nature of it.

We do not NEED full classic teams. You don't have to license every player to ever play the game of baseball. We NEVER had full classic teams. When past games had classic teams, they didn't feature licensed players. Heres what they DID feature. Accurate uniforms, logos, jerseys, stadiums, and ratings. We ALWAYS had to create the players ourselves. At the time, we had better TOOLS. Heck, give us a Creation Suite like other next gen sports titles have, and I'm guessing the community will do the job themselves.

Again, Retro Mode does not need classic teams with licensed 40 man rosters to be a success.

Instead: Give us all the retro stuff we COULD have. That games did for over a decade. It was at one time a standard: Retro Jerseys, Stadiums, Presentation. All Star Baseball, MVP Baseball, MLB 2K. All games featured these things. Give us league customization. That won't cost a dime. We can purchase the retro DLC players available, and create the ones remaining that we need. Give the retro content a context that its worth playing in. Give us the tools ,and we will pay you back tenfold.

First of all, I am a classic team junkie going back to rosters I did in the 1980's and 90's for a variety of games...2K5 being the most notable. However, I did do many teams for various baseball games as well.

Listen...I am all in for having as much retro/classic stuff as possible. Uniforms, stadiums, etc. That's a no brainer for me. Customizable league set ups as well. Love it. Wish we had it. I'd never put the controller down.

However, SDS can not, and will not, add some of these things because it does not offer them a satisfactory ROI. For example, for some old time stadiums they have to now pay for a license (Ebbets Field is an example). In addition, to do them right, they need the blueprints and schematics so they can reproduce. That is also money out the door. How many people buy the game for these additions? Not enough to recoup the investment I would bet. I could be wrong.

DLC chargeable content? Possible. But as of now SDS has determined that they do not want to go this route and I am sure there are financial implications driving that as well.

I guess what I am saying is, and I hate to admit this, that there is just not enough interest or support for what we classic team guys really want in the game to satisfy our desires. Too many man-hours would need to be spent pulling these things together without a real business case where you could justify the expense and quantify the additional revenue.

That's my opinion. Ramone may "thumbs down" this post. I obviously do not know the ins and outs. I am only stating what I believe could be some of the considerations they have to take into account and why we have not seen as much attention to classic teams as you have outlined. They are obviously dipping their toes into that water this year - to what extent we don't know yet. But I think it will be a long way from what you outlined, and what I would love to see.

C

[Turbojugend]

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However, SDS can not, and will not, add some of these things because it does not offer them a satisfactory ROI. For example, for some old time stadiums they have to now pay for a license (Ebbets Field is an example). In addition, to do them right, they need the blueprints and schematics so they can reproduce. That is also money out the door. How many people buy the game for these additions? Not enough to recoup the investment I would bet. I could be wrong.

But SDS did add classic stadiums on PS4, even after they initially said there wasn't enough interest. Granted those stadiums already existed on PS3, but they were old builds that had to be rebuilt from the ground up. Quite a bit of work for something that doesn't offer a high ROI.

I guess what I'm saying is that SDS is capable of surprising us with any from here 'til March. Instead of focusing on what may not be included, it's more productive (and more fun!) to speculate what may be included. Personally, I'm hoping for a great creation suite until it's confirmed or de-confirmed.