MLB The Show 17 Trailer, Retro Mode Details Revealed

[PsychoBulk]

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Hey Psycho,

Bet you a pint that you change your mind and pick it up....

Honestly my friend this time, i dont think i will.

Succumbed last year then only a few months in wondered why, told myself not to fall for it again, should it be the almost the same game.

Ill take that bet

[speels]

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Now this is a great example of how to present constructive criticism without coming off as arrogant or entitled. Breath of fresh air.

Hopefully as new info is released, you do decide to get the game and enjoy it. A lot of people will miss your slider sets.

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I kind of agree and kind of disagree with your first statement. Yes it comes across as neither arrogant or entitled, however it is not really constructive criticism. Psycho states there are things that go untouched each year, but he doesn't really say what can make them better.

I understand more and varied commentary would make the game seem fresher and such, but the one thing we don't know is the limits they have to work within. Maybe it costs $100,000 to get someone in the studio to record some lines. I also think that sometimes we forget that an announcer at a live sporting event has unlimited access to the entire english language and can make comments right out of thin air when a game is very limited.

For franchise what needs to change? What is he looking for that will keep him engaged? I can say I don't like something but if I don't state what would make it better then really all I am doing is criticizing, not constructively criticizing.

As for music, I don't listen to it so it doesn't bother me at all. Now again, we have 50% of people in this scenario (1 and 1) that have absolutely different opinions about this specific area. So as a developer where do you draw your line? It may come down to cost as they already have paid for the rights to the songs or perhaps it is an area they don't think they need to focus on. This is where they have to determine costs and benefits in order to make the most money for them because that is really what it is all about. I would also argue that both Psycho and myself are what you could call "hard core" players, so now which if they change the music are they against a "hard core" guy or if they don't are they also against a "hard core" guy.

Now I am not saying that Psycho is right or wrong. He purchased the game and has every right to want what he wants. All I am saying is the devs need to here a why or a how not just a what. I love this game, it is one I continue to play year round, which I don't say about any other game, but there is definitely room for improvement, areas of which I have discussed in other threads.

The one thing I do wish for, and I know that it would never happen because it may come across as a sign of weakness or such, is that the devs explained sometimes why things maybe can't be changed at times, or why something may never (at this time) be implemented. Such as maybe why they can't have 20,000 new lines of commentary each year or why they don't change the music.

One last thing, as for the same old game comments. Baseball is baseball. Each year 25 players from 2 teams play on the same fields doing the same things. You can't change things every year to make it fresh when it really is the same thing. Unlike any other game but sports games, you can't change a location or colour scheme and have a "brand new game". Sorry, it's a pet peeve of mine.

[Blzer]

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Honestly my friend this time, i dont think i will.

Succumbed last year then only a few months in wondered why, told myself not to fall for it again, should it be the almost the same game.

Ill take that bet

I'd believe that.

Not the best that it's "almost the same game," but that nothing will convince you to purchase this installment so long as it maintains its core elements.

I have that kind of thing with Madden. The game can continue to improve, but I'm not looking for a better game with them... simply a different one. 2K used to do something else for me, whether it was the player models, camera, broadcast crew, sprint/charge control system, playcalling style, running/tackling engine, menu system... there is no one specific thing, but a multitude of things that have either been similar in Madden or different enough from what I loved in 2K, that the only thing that will get me to purchase another football game is either if it's not like Madden or if it is like 2K.

It's a shame as well, because I believe Madden is an objectively great game these days... but it's either too stale or too much that is not my taste, and only changing it can sway my decision, not so much improving it.

[WhiteBunny]

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Hey, but the guy at 0.07 named "Smalls" looks like Ricky "Wild Thing" Vaughn from the film Major League !


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[MythicalGnome]

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Hello folks.

Been away from here for some time for personal reasons and being worn out with the game somewhat.

Was hoping for something a little new, a little different etc this year...very disappointed with this trailer (be it one minute or not, some things never change).

A lot of you know me, i've been on here years, im not a moaner for moaning sake, im not here to bash the devs or anybody personally, but this game is in serious need of a facelift, a revamp, call it what you will, and I dont mean just tacking on an arcadey mode etc, you know what i mean.

Anemic is exactly the type of word i'd use to describe this franchise at the moment.

Anemic, stale, stagnant, faded - call it what you will.

I'm not judging '17 by this one video of course not, im more talking about the general way the series has gone the last few years. I truly believe you could play any of the games from 2013, '14 and '15 and '16 and be hard pressed to convince a naysayer they really were different games. Great games yes, but, like i said, stale, etc.

Ill keep my hopes up for something a little fresher as the information about '17 starts to come out but as i said previously, my enthusiasm for this games release used to be rampant yearly, now its merely more than a passing interest and that's a great shame.

Don't get me wrong, it will still be a superb game with many, many more pro's than con's but it simply cannot shake off this stale feeling, as far as im concerned.

I dont expect a different looking game every year, it would be stupid to do so, it's the same developer after all, but when so many things go largely untouched for year after year such as commentary, franchise, even the same signature music for like, ever, then you start to compare it to the strides made in other areas of sports gaming such as NBA 2K, FIFA, Madden etc then yes, then it starts to make you wonder why you keep coming back and why '16 feels like '15 feels like '14 feels like '13 etc.

I repeat, it will be a great game, but times change and its simply my opinion that SCEA doesnt move fast enough with them.

I used to pre-order this game months in advance, look forward to it like nothing else all year, take a whole week off work just to play it on release week...those days are long gone.

This is without doubt the first year ill almost certainly not be buying and i think its telling the posts mirroring my feelings seem to have garnered as many likes if not more generally than those saying otherwise - i think this worm has finally turned.

Dont ever take your loyal customers for granted in business - and i think SCEA is in danger of doing just that.

Shame indeed.

I've kind of just accepted the pace at which they work. For me their graphical department moves inherently too slow for my tastes. Which is fine I guess, but it leaves me with the feeling that no one even really cares about the graphics and animations to the point they put in some major work to make it better.

People have been talking about models, fields, animations, franchise, and other things now for literally years. We've heard devs chime in too. But from 14-17 I just don't see it. I don't see this game changing to become a photo realistic sim or even close to getting there. When I boot up that trailer it looks almost exactly like 14 or 15 to me from a perspective of: hey I just entered the stadium, what beautiful details all around look at how well kept the field is, look at how nice and lively everything looks.

I just don't see that with this game anymore. So I will wait. One day it will be something I want to get into again.

I totally understand from someone like you that does a lot of work on this yourself with no pay that you need to skip a year. I would too. There is no point right now in doing all that work just for another year of baseball.

I will still look forward to the new details and reveals they have going for sure.

[Factzzz]

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I've kind of just accepted the pace at which they work. For me their graphical department moves inherently too slow for my tastes. Which is fine I guess, but it leaves me with the feeling that no one even really cares about the graphics and animations to the point they put in some major work to make it better.

People have been talking about models, fields, animations, franchise, and other things now for literally years. We've heard devs chime in too. But from 14-17 I just don't see it. I don't see this game changing to become a photo realistic sim or even close to getting there. When I boot up that trailer it looks almost exactly like 14 or 15 to me from a perspective of: hey I just entered the stadium, what beautiful details all around look at how well kept the field is, look at how nice and lively everything looks.

I just don't see that with this game anymore. So I will wait. One day it will be something I want to get into again.

I totally understand from someone like you that does a lot of work on this yourself with no pay that you need to skip a year. I would too. There is no point right now in doing all that work just for another year of baseball.

I will still look forward to the new details and reveals they have going for sure.

I feel the exact same way, it's come to the point where i'm not even really disappointed anymore. I just expect the player models and other small details that bother me to go relatively unchanged. That way when these things are improved upon, and not just by little increments, i'll be pleasantly surprised, which beats being disappointed every year.

[MythicalGnome]

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maybe its just me, but what enhancements can there be? outside of 4k up scaling and HDR (which even the regular ps4 has now) I'm thinking that the PRO isn't going to bring games to new heights and make them look radically different to their non pro counter parts. (its not like the pro will have 1000 different fan models, while the regular ps4 only has 500) In my opinion the PRO is only good for is slight (barely noticeable) visual resolution, bigger stock hard drive, with slightly better load times.

This post is completely preposterous. The Pro is a significantly more powerful machine capable of many things including supersampling and 4K native in some games. Nevermind the games that are doing better, AA, AF, Shadows, framerate, SSAO, and effects.

You are talking a GPU that is twice as powerful and a CPU that totally sucked before with a decent 1.3x upgrade. Nevermind all the little architectural changes they made, and the extra 1GB of DDR3 RAM they put it to free more of that up.

The Pro is in fact about as much an upgrade as you could ever have in a mid gen refresh while maintaining compatibility, and the only reason they could do it was because of the process node shrink from AMD.

Barely noticeable lol? Ratchet and Clank went from a jaggy mess of a game to looking like Pixar circa 1999. The supersampling and/or AA they have going their is actually amazing to look at. The game looks like CG at times. I stopped playing it on my OG PS4 and waited months to see what they did to it with the Pro. And I was not disappointed. In fact, they went beyond my hopes and dreams. To think Insomniac is now making Spiderman is great.

And this is not a one case scenario. BF1 has a MUCH better framerate with better details and AA all around. Tomb Raider looks a ton better. Many games look and run better. I don't know what you expect from the Pro but it does exactly what it needs to do.

[MythicalGnome]

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I feel the exact same way, it's come to the point where i'm not even really disappointed anymore. I just expect the player models and other small details that bother me to go relatively unchanged. That way when these things are improved upon, and not just by little increments, i'll be pleasantly surprised, which beats being disappointed every year.

For sure, and I know they have made some really decent improvements to the LEDs and jumbos and scoreboards and stuff like that. Some texture work has been improved. But a lot of it has remained almost untouched or just at a level that makes you wonder what is going on.

[Bullit]

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Ok this has run its course. We are at the "This is what is wrong with this game, I am not buying" it stage again. For some of you who are not buying the game this year, you sure are spending a lot of time talking about it?

[Bullit]

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Ok so here is the way this is going to go.

I am going to open this thread back up. The conversation will stay on topic, the conversation will stay adult, there will be NO trolling or any other assorted nonsense.

From here on out if there are any more issues there will be no more warnings, no post to stay on topic or correct behavior, you are just going to get banned. We will start with a week off from OS and then go from there.

Gentlemen, especially newcomers to this section, I am not kidding with this. Those of you that know me, understand what it has taken to get to this point. We are all going to get things heading back in the direction that this part of OS was known for.

[Blzer]

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I don't remember where I read it (either YT or FB comments), but although most people love that they have Griffey much more down pat, they were a bit up in arms over the way his front side slides open on the follow-through. I sort of understand where they're coming from, but it's not incredibly unrealistic either (just a strange transition, is all).





Just for comparison's sake, Blzer is back at it again (EG, get it while it's hot!)... I often film my softball players for batting practice, and one day as my assistant coach and myself were calibrating the machine I took some swings off of it. The below gifs are a depiction of how the front leg can slide open due to torque:

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(by the way, I know my front foot "opens before landing," but that's not my front side opening as much as it is I have a loud front side while initiating my back side rotation... you'll see what I mean if you look more at the hips than the foot itself)

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People mention my ankle looking like it's "breaking," but all that does is preventing it from opening up even more than it does. So my swings are probably not the best example of what can actually happen since I try to keep my front side closed as long as it can.

I know the transition on Griffey's is a little "sudden," but it's not way off. Still would be nice if it transitioned more smoothly, but I think that since it's branching to the normal game's swing, since the game can't account for whether a ball will be a home run or not until contact, they won't be able to get that transition any more smoothly than they already have.

Can't wait to play as him though! His stance looks so much better than in years past, and now we can at least play with him as a 19 year old.

I want to speculate a possible RttS mode with Griffey, where you get to play out his career, beginning from the early years and redefine his path to glory. Maybe even the Kingdome is in the game, who knows?

[Caulfield]

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Damn dog, thats an ankle breaker.

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... Maybe even the Kingdome is in the game, who knows?

The Kingdome would be high on my hopelist of old stadiums. With Junior in, the Kingdome would be a logical choice. Only the Astrodome would be higher on my list, amongst domes.
Heck I'd even settle for a fake generic SCEA-created dome.

[Blzer]

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Damn dog, thats an ankle breaker.

Heh, that's what I always did to keep my front side closed, ironically so. Doesn't hurt at all.

The Kingdome would be high on my hopelist of old stadiums. With Junior in, the Kingdome would be a logical choice. Only the Astrodome would be higher on my list, amongst domes.
Heck I'd even settle for a fake generic SCEA-created dome.

Given that we have old Yankee Stadium and a number of new legendary players, I am hopeful as well. I don't know what kind of memory they need to add more classic stadiums (on top of their new closed roofs), but should they have a mode where you can follow Griffey's career I think it would only be logical they have that stadium. Then again, that would also mean you would need all of the other classic stadiums on top of it, so maybe that kind of mode doesn't exist. Makes you wonder what "ages" you can select for Griffey then, in that case.

I am less hopeful about other classic stadiums though, because they have Yankee Stadium from years past. Not that they didn't have to recreate it, but at least they have a good general model for it already.

[caseyj622]

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Are they ever going to get new announcers? It's so stale. I've boughten it every year from 08-15. Can't do it again until they completely revamp the announcing. I will just keep playing 15.

[hitman23]

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Bottom line, if they don't finally upgrade the player models and improve player graphics I am ready to stop playing this game. I'm just about ready to boycott this game like I did with madden back in 2014. We've had the same 3 player body types since the PS3...that's pathetic. The small changes will no longer justify a $60 purchase. If you can't make significant changes than don't release the game every year. I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I'm ok boycotting this game alone. They'll have to earn my money. I'm sorry for going off but I sense that the lack of competition is hurting this franchise.

I am with you. Problem is, no other company can put our a baseball video game. SCEA has no competition.

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