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  • Threeebs
    Rookie
    • Mar 2013
    • 451

    #46
    Re: A message to this forum (Why you can't post right now)

    Originally posted by Caulfield
    I dont view playing video games any differently than reading books. And I certainly dont view reading books as a "human fault". As humans, most of us need at least a little downtime from from 'making this planet a better place to live', if only to keep from going stale from that constant grind. I dont think I could even be a productive member of society if I all I ever did was constantly work work work.
    "All work and no play", Who am I, Mother Theresa? lol

    I think video games are an excellent conduit to rest our minds and recharge our batteries so that we CAN hit it hard and heavy when its time to get the job done, so to speak. Now, if I had NO job and lived in my parents basement and sponged off them whilst playing nothing but video games, not contributing to society in any productive manner, now THAT is a bad habit and definite fault. Hopefully OS isnt too full of that kind of member. But even if so, so be it.
    Whoa whoa whoa now playing video games and reading book ARE very different. You're right when you say reading books isn't a human fault though. You at least nailed that part. Reading books will help your brain my friend, playing video games will help your hand muscles. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy the video games, because I very much do, but reading has shaped my life...

    The things you can do to help society doesn't need to be perceived as work. If you get in the right mind set, you can and will enjoy it and when that happens well look at that, it's no longer work.

    On top of that there's more productive things to do for fun besides video games that'll help more then the muscles in your hands...
    T.K.

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    • Caulfield
      Hall Of Fame
      • Apr 2011
      • 10986

      #47
      Re: A message to this forum (Why you can't post right now)

      Originally posted by Millennium

      So at 9 PM EST/6PM PST I will reopen the forum. I haven't had to do this in years, and I'm disappointed that I have had to.
      Originally posted by Threeebs
      I suggested the thread be taken down because it's embarrassing, especially to anyone new wanting to come on here for discussion. I mean if i saw that when I first stumbled onto this site, I wouldn't have even signed up. This is just my opinion and my opinion alone but it just makes this place look soft and emotional.
      I think when any new stumblers read the above part of Mill's post, that should assuage any fears by said newcomers. And if it doesnt, anyone who judges an entire community on the basis of one post, even if that post comes from the weight of an admin, well, I just dont even know what to say to that.
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      • Millennium
        Franchise Streamer
        • Aug 2002
        • 9889

        #48
        Re: A message to this forum (Why you can't post right now)

        Originally posted by Threeebs
        I didn't read every post in this thread but I figured I was the only one that wrote about the embarrassing thread so I guess you're talking my way but I think you're twisting my words a hair so let me clear my stance up...

        I suggested the thread be taken down because it's embarrassing, especially to anyone new wanting to come on here for discussion. I mean if i saw that when I first stumbled onto this site, I wouldn't have even signed up. This is just my opinion and my opinion alone but it just makes this place look soft and emotional. A lot of members here are a little to emotionally attached to this game!

        The forums aren't that bad thanks to the moderators but if you go back and read the franchise threads, there is nothing in a post that is destructive, just frusturated people, voicing their opinions. Now I also assume the people reading my recent posts think I am one of these guys but that's actually quite the contrary (check my history). I love The Show and every year the devs impress me with the new additions. I actually find it amusing when I get to read something like, "Wow, no expansion or relocation option this year!?", as if 8 months of one developer is going to implement that lol.

        Now I don't think the devs ought to be big boys, I think they're adults though and DO brush off the criticism. If you're a fan of the game, and I assume you are, these complainers might help future iterations of the game. If everyone said they were happy and giddy and everything is exactly how they wanted it, they wouldn't change it. That's how we progress my friend. Many people are thanking them as we.. I'll admit it, I find them annoying too but I haven't read anything that would make me think as a mod that I should ban everyone for an hour...
        I have read every one of your posts, but this is the exact spot that invalidates every word you've said.

        You're commenting on an issue in this forum without reading the posts about it. Stop. Read the whole thread and understand what's going on then comment.

        Until then, go back to ignoring the TOS and posting however you want OUTSIDE OF THIS THREAD and allow luck to guide you.
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        • Caulfield
          Hall Of Fame
          • Apr 2011
          • 10986

          #49
          Re: A message to this forum (Why you can't post right now)

          Originally posted by Threeebs
          Whoa whoa whoa now playing video games and reading book ARE very different. You're right when you say reading books isn't a human fault though. You at least nailed that part. Reading books will help your brain my friend, playing video games will help your hand muscles. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy the video games, because I very much do, but reading has shaped my life...

          The things you can do to help society doesn't need to be perceived as work. If you get in the right mind set, you can and will enjoy it and when that happens well look at that, it's no longer work.

          On top of that there's more productive things to do for fun besides video games that'll help more then the muscles in your hands...
          Plenty of games tell great stories. Give me Age of Empires over 50 Shades of Grey any day.
          Also, video games employ hundreds of artists, so in my book, if you choose wisely, you can help support todays Picassos and Rembrandts, which in and of itself is a worthwhile endeavour.

          Mill, and Moderation Staff, I apolgise for taking this thread so far off topic.
          This is the last I will force myself on this subject.
          Goodnite all, and good dreams.
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          • Threeebs
            Rookie
            • Mar 2013
            • 451

            #50
            Re: A message to this forum (Why you can't post right now)

            Originally posted by Millennium
            I have read every one of your posts, but this is the exact spot that invalidates every word you've said.

            You're commenting on an issue in this forum without reading the posts about it. Stop. Read the whole thread and understand what's going on then comment.

            Until then, go back to ignoring the TOS and posting however you want OUTSIDE OF THIS THREAD and allow luck to guide you.
            Mill, I did read every post in the franchise threads, I can tell you that with 100% certainty as I'm a huge franchise mode fan and follow the threads with purpose. I think you're confusing those threads with this thread but it's actually the franchise threads that sparked the creation of this thread (sorry if this is confusing).

            I read the first page of this thread but what the one moderator (speedy i think) was saying in the opening of his latest post in this thread was mostly directed towards me. however, he twisted my words a bit so i responded so as to re-iterate what I was actually saying.

            I hope this clears it up. This isn't about the posts in this thread this is about the thread that was created (this exact thread) about the "problems" in the franchise threads, of which, in my opinion aren't really problems. I read the posts and saw nothing that was destructive. Just a bunch of minor gripes and thank yous. There was even a post from a moderator that expressed his disappointment in the progress of franchise mode.

            I'm not trying to start a feud or whatever you guys may think I'm trying to start, I'm just expressing my opinions on the matter. I think some are getting a little overly emotional about it. Just because I'm not a moderator or an OS contributor doesn't mean I'm wrong...
            T.K.

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            • Millennium
              Franchise Streamer
              • Aug 2002
              • 9889

              #51
              Re: A message to this forum (Why you can't post right now)

              Originally posted by Threeebs
              Mill, I did read every post in the franchise threads, I can tell you that with 100% certainty as I'm a huge franchise mode fan and follow the threads with purpose. I think you're confusing those threads with this thread but it's actually the franchise threads that sparked the creation of this thread (sorry if this is confusing).

              I read the first page of this thread but what the one moderator (speedy i think) was saying in the opening of his latest post in this thread was mostly directed towards me. however, he twisted my words a bit so i responded so as to re-iterate what I was actually saying.

              I hope this clears it up. This isn't about the posts in this thread this is about the thread that was created (this exact thread) about the "problems" in the franchise threads, of which, in my opinion aren't really problems. I read the posts and saw nothing that was destructive. Just a bunch of minor gripes and thank yous. There was even a post from a moderator that expressed his disappointment in the progress of franchise mode.

              I'm not trying to start a feud or whatever you guys may think I'm trying to start, I'm just expressing my opinions on the matter. I think some are getting a little overly emotional about it. Just because I'm not a moderator or an OS contributor doesn't mean I'm wrong...
              It's not overly emotional. We've worked very hard over the years at creating the type of environment that mature gamers could speak to each other. This ISN'T any other site where you can just waltz in and start spouting whatever you want. We expect our posters to have an (at least partially) informed opinion. We expect our posters to be civil and courteous and constructive to each other. That's an expectation coming in (again, read the TOS).

              That's why this thread is important. Is it a heavy hand by the staff of this site? Absolutely. But it is no different than we have ever been.
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              • dalger21
                #realtalk
                • Feb 2010
                • 1932

                #52
                Re: A message to this forum (Why you can't post right now)

                Originally posted by Threeebs

                I suggested the thread be taken down because it's embarrassing, especially to anyone new wanting to come on here for discussion. I mean if i saw that when I first stumbled onto this site, I wouldn't have even signed up. This is just my opinion and my opinion alone but it just makes this place look soft and emotional. A lot of members here are a little to emotionally attached to this game!
                Well...Every year Millennium will make a thread similar to this one mentioning that certain things will not be tolerated - mainly the agenda trolling that goes on for the different factions of The Show. This particular year seems to have gotten way out of hand even more so over previous years (from the looks of it, it seems to stem from the Franchise stream and subsequent thread). I understand the need for the lock down of the forum for an hour and this thread because sometimes....people suck and need to be put in a timeout. I think people here forget that the devs and mods here are actually people and should be treated with the respect they deserve even if you disagree with something that is (or isn't) in the game.

                The fact that this thread was left open for discussion instead of just a locked sticky thread with warnings and such shows more to me than anything else.
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                • bredfan
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 92

                  #53
                  Re: A message to this forum (Why you can't post right now)

                  Quick question. Where in the TOS does it mention that the size of a development team must be taken into consideration before posting?

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                  • WaitTilNextYear
                    Go Cubs Go
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 16830

                    #54
                    Re: A message to this forum (Why you can't post right now)

                    To me...TOS = use common sense and don't be a jerk to people. If you got that much, you're good. Whether a specific rule is spelled out or not is irrelevant because a private forum can do basically whatever it wants at any time and without notice. In that way, the almighty TOS is really just a courtesy to new users. The admin could add "consider the dev team size" to the TOS if he wanted to. Or he could just tell you here. Either way, mods and admins can enforce it how they feel is most appropriate.

                    Anecdotal evidence here, but I've never had any problems with how the rules are enforced. If anything, questionable posters (those who don't breathe before pressing post or folks who are just plain immature/entitled/looking to start something) probably get a bit too much rope to hang themselves with...eventually.
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                    • PVarck31
                      Moderator
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 16869

                      #55
                      Re: A message to this forum (Why you can't post right now)

                      Originally posted by bredfan
                      Quick question. Where in the TOS does it mention that the size of a development team must be taken into consideration before posting?
                      Hilarious.

                      It's about respect and managing expectations. If you are trying to say we said you can't criticize the dev team because of their size then that is wrong.

                      Like we always say here, constructive criticism is fine.

                      The only reason the size of the dev team was brought up was to give us a peek inside their process and to help us understand they can only do so much in one cycle. These are facts. They can't overhaul multiple things every year like EA and 2K can do with their hundreds of developers.

                      Sports games are a constant marathon. The work never stops and they are lucky to get two weeks off. They provide us with one of the best sports games on the market. I think we can show them a little respect for what they are able to accomplish with a small development team in a short period of time.

                      If there are things about the game you don't like, then by all means please tell us and tell them. They listen if you are constructive.

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                      • bredfan
                        Rookie
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 92

                        #56
                        Re: A message to this forum (Why you can't post right now)

                        Originally posted by PVarck31
                        If you are trying to say we said you can't criticize the dev team because of their size then that is wrong.
                        I don't have a horse in this race. I'm getting the game day 1 regardless of what anyone on the internet says.

                        But, pointing out how small a dev team is (and is 80 even small?) really isn't relevant. They're charging $60 for their game like everyone else. When I hear things like "they're a small team", not for nuthin', but it sounds apologetic and could be misinterpreted to undermine and even negate the perception of neutrality and credibility that one has earned.

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                        • Armor and Sword
                          The Lama
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 21794

                          #57
                          Re: A message to this forum (Why you can't post right now)

                          Originally posted by bredfan
                          I don't have a horse in this race. I'm getting the game day 1 regardless of what anyone on the internet says.

                          But, pointing out how small a dev team is (and is 80 even small?) really isn't relevant. They're charging $60 for their game like everyone else. When I hear things like "they're a small team", not for nuthin', but it sounds apologetic and could be misinterpreted to undermine and even negate the perception of neutrality and credibility that one has earned.
                          Give me a ****ing break.

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                          • kehlis
                            Moderator
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 27738

                            #58
                            Re: A message to this forum (Why you can't post right now)

                            Originally posted by bredfan
                            I don't have a horse in this race. I'm getting the game day 1 regardless of what anyone on the internet says.

                            But, pointing out how small a dev team is (and is 80 even small?) really isn't relevant. They're charging $60 for their game like everyone else. When I hear things like "they're a small team", not for nuthin', but it sounds apologetic and could be misinterpreted to undermine and even negate the perception of neutrality and credibility that one has earned.
                            Saying you don't have a dog in the fight means nothing after asking a rhetorical question you knew the answer to in order to stir the pot.

                            It was brought up for perspective. Nothing more nothing less. The post even makes it clear that criticism of the devs, regardless of size is fine when done correctly which wasn't happening much at the time.

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                            • bredfan
                              Rookie
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 92

                              #59
                              Re: A message to this forum (Why you can't post right now)

                              Originally posted by Armor and Sword
                              Give me a ****ing break.

                              Sheesh.
                              Guy 1 - "Dude, this burger is terrible."

                              Guy 2 - "Oh, c'mon, man. They have a small staff."

                              Guy 1 - "So?"

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                              • Millennium
                                Franchise Streamer
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 9889

                                #60
                                Re: A message to this forum (Why you can't post right now)

                                Originally posted by bredfan
                                Guy 1 - "Dude, this burger is terrible."

                                Guy 2 - "Oh, c'mon, man. They have a small staff."

                                Guy 1 - "So?"
                                That isn't what happens.

                                It's more:

                                Guy 1 "This burger is terrible. This restaurant should go belly up. I wish there were other restaurants so we wouldn't have to deal with this. These chefs are lazy and probably have never seen food before"

                                THAT is what you can't do. You can criticize the game constructively as you wish.

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