MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[bailey4mvp]

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What is Doolittle and Casilla worth from the A's?

Don't have stats on me at the moment but both are pitching well for me, but I'm looking to get a good return for either one.

Looking for some IF prospects or OF Prospects got some good young pitchers in the draft.


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[dran1984]

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So earlier we discussed a Zach Britton to Colorado trade. I reworked the trade with David Dahl and Jeff Hoffman as the 2 main pieces coming back to Baltimore.

O's Get :
OF David Dahl
SP Jeff Hoffman #2 prospect, #39 overall prospect
3B/1B Ryan McMahon #8 prospect
1B/OF Jordan Patterson #20 prospect

Rockies Get:
CL Zach Britton

Does this deal better represent Brittons value?

[hampshirestags]

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Who would the DBacks more likely trade...
Lamb or Drury?

Drury...and it's not even close.

What is Doolittle and Casilla worth from the A's?

Don't have stats on me at the moment but both are pitching well for me, but I'm looking to get a good return for either one.

Looking for some IF prospects or OF Prospects got some good young pitchers in the draft.


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Casilla (if pitching well) will net you 2 low C projects (with one of them being an arm). #21-30 range in most farms. He's 36 and could've been had this offseason, signing late with a team with little expectations.

Doolittle, while having one of the coolest names in the game, is officially falling off a cliff. Starting with '15 and through the first month of this season, he's given us the same number of IP's combined that he gave us in '14...aannndd, he's back on the shelf again.

If you would have asked 2 weeks ago, you would've gotten a different answer but now (I'm bracing for feedback), as we sit here today, he has no realistic trade value. Too many other guys out there that are currently throwing a ball and doing the job to risk currency on him.

The above doesn't help you enjoy the game so let's get a current line in your franchise and see if we can come up with something.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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So earlier we discussed a Zach Britton to Colorado trade. I reworked the trade with David Dahl and Jeff Hoffman as the 2 main pieces coming back to Baltimore.

O's Get :
OF David Dahl
SP Jeff Hoffman #2 prospect, #39 overall prospect
3B/1B Ryan McMahon #8 prospect
1B/OF Jordan Patterson #20 prospect

Rockies Get:
CL Zach Britton

Does this deal better represent Brittons value?

It might be closer to his value but I don't see any reason the Rockies do this. Dahl already proved he could play in the bigs. He had 1.2 WAR in just over 60 games. Hoffman is a pretty good prospect.

Basically I think this package would be okay if you removed Dahl. You're still overhauling Britton

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[TGov]

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Drury...and it's not even close.

I figured Drury but he's versatile and hits for a high AVG with some power, he's also younger than Lamb.
Depends on team needs really but it's definitely closer than you think.

[hampshirestags]

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I figured Drury but he's versatile and hits for a high AVG with some power, he's also younger than Lamb.
Depends on team needs really but it's definitely closer than you think.

We can agree to disagree. Question was asked in a vacuum and answered the same way. Drury may be more versatile but doesn't do anything as well as Lamb plays 3B. Age 24 vs. 26, meh. Pick any stat and Lamb >>> Drury. Apples and oranges based on performance and nobody gets scared off by the first arb number.

[TGov]

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We can agree to disagree. Question was asked in a vacuum and answered the same way. Drury may be more versatile but doesn't do anything as well as Lamb plays 3B. Age 24 vs. 26, meh. Pick any stat and Lamb >>> Drury. Apples and oranges based on performance and nobody gets scared off by the first arb number.

I agree with you that Lamb is superior but Drury is more valuable than an afterthought. However, I know at the end of the day, power trumps most attributes.

I guess I'll rephrase my question...

If I were to acquire either Lamb or Drury for 3B, who should the Dbacks get in return? (I'm the Red Sox)
The DBacks aren't contenders but they're not far off either, just looking for a "fair" deal. Wouldn't mind parting with Devers in a Lamb deal and I'm not opposed to including other pieces.

Thanks for the input.

[hampshirestags]

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I agree with you that Lamb is superior but Drury is more valuable than an afterthought. However, I know at the end of the day, power trumps most attributes.

I guess I'll rephrase my question...

If I were to acquire either Lamb or Drury for 3B, who should the Dbacks get in return? (I'm the Red Sox)
The DBacks aren't contenders but they're not far off either, just looking for a "fair" deal. Wouldn't mind parting with Devers in a Lamb deal and I'm not opposed to including other pieces.

Thanks for the input.

Now we're cooking with a little bit of grease! A week or so ago, Lamb was "given away" to NYY for Tate+Andujar or Fowler. I felt that was light but didn't debate too strongly about it. I think a lottery ticket (developmental P that's 4 years away) should be added but that's due to me being low on Tate and a fan of Lamb (would have preferred Fowler+Andujar+).

Using the previous value set, BOS would need to send Devers+Raudes for Lamb and something like Dalbec+Lankis for Drury (I don't think we've talked about him solo in a deal yet?). BOS farm is much weaker than the NYY farm but this still sets the Lamb package total at FV95 and Drury at FV80.

Again, me being who I am and valuing Lamb more on what he may do than what he's done, I would prefer a 3 piece for Lamb. Gamecocklaw set the original value and I've seem him in here this morning, I'd be curious as to what he thinks. I think I'm spot on for Drury.

P.S. while researching this I came across a quote from D.Stewart saying he didn't envision trading Drury so I can see where some of your opinion is coming from. Of course, Dave got shown the door so...

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Now we're cooking with a little bit of grease! A week or so ago, Lamb was "given away" to NYY for Tate+Andujar or Fowler. I felt that was light but didn't debate too strongly about it. I think a lottery ticket (developmental P that's 4 years away) should be added but that's due to me being low on Tate and a fan of Lamb (would have preferred Fowler+Andujar+).

Using the previous value set, BOS would need to send Devers+Raudes for Lamb and something like Dalbec+Lankis for Drury (I don't think we've talked about him solo in a deal yet?). BOS farm is much weaker than the NYY farm but this still sets the Lamb package total at FV95 and Drury at FV80.

Again, me being who I am and valuing Lamb more on what he may do than what he's done, I would prefer a 3 piece for Lamb. Gamecocklaw set the original value and I've seem him in here this morning, I'd be curious as to what he thinks. I think I'm spot on for Drury.

P.S. while researching this I came across a quote from D.Stewart saying he didn't envision trading Drury so I can see where some of your opinion is coming from. Of course, Dave got shown the door so...

Just glancing there's no way id include Devers. I don't think I'd even include Groome for Lamb. I think the Drury package is about right though. There's just no way I'd include a top 20 prospect for Lamb. And a position prospect at that

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[hampshirestags]

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Just glancing there's no way id include Devers. I don't think I'd even include Groome for Lamb. I think the Drury package is about right though. There's just no way I'd include a top 20 prospect for Lamb. And a position prospect at that

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So there you go TGov. I wouldn't have an issue if you wanted to tweak the Drury package a bit but it should be good to go as-is.

I'm so far on the other side of the spectrum for J.Lamb that it's not worth the debate.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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So there you go TGov. I wouldn't have an issue if you wanted to tweak the Drury package a bit but it should be good to go as-is.

I'm so far on the other side of the spectrum for J.Lamb that it's not worth the debate.

I think that means we should meet somewhere in the middle on Lamb. I'm probably too low. The problem is the farm for Boston is mostly barren. Would you say E-Rod is meeting in the middle? Because id be okay using him as the headliner for Lamb

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[hampshirestags]

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I think that means we should meet somewhere in the middle on Lamb. I'm probably too low. The problem is the farm for Boston is mostly barren. Would you say E-Rod is meeting in the middle? Because id be okay using him as the headliner for Lamb

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Perhaps. I start running into comp problems though as I don't see T.Walker that much better than E-Rod and Segura/Haniger was a haul for him (though Marte was involved as well so it's probably a bad comp.). I don't recall Segura's contract status off the top of my head though and if I don't get outside and do some chores, the wif is gonna get very angry!

For the OP though, BOS farm went from good to below average in one trade. Even with us coming together close to the middle, the pieces don't make sense and Drury is probably the best solution.

I also need to do some of my own due diligence as my gut tells me there is no way I wiffed this bad on him and you and I are usually fairly close. That means more detailed math is in order to prove/disprove where I'm at. I won't have time for that until later tonight. But, it's a worthy exercise because if I'm wrong (with Hybrid rosters coming out this weekend...maybe), Lamb will be an O by Monday with Sedlock+.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Perhaps. I start running into comp problems though as I don't see T.Walker that much better than E-Rod and Segura/Haniger was a haul for him (though Marte was involved as well so it's probably a bad comp.). I don't recall Segura's contract status off the top of my head though and if I don't get outside and do some chores, the wif is gonna get very angry!

For the OP though, BOS farm went from good to below average in one trade. Even with us coming together close to the middle, the pieces don't make sense and Drury is probably the best solution.

I also need to do some of my own due diligence as my gut tells me there is no way I wiffed this bad on him and you and I are usually fairly close. That means more detailed math is in order to prove/disprove where I'm at. I won't have time for that until later tonight. But, it's a worthy exercise because if I'm wrong (with Hybrid rosters coming out this weekend...maybe), Lamb will be an O by Monday with Sedlock+.

I don't think Lamb is that much better than Travis show who was traded for a pretty good late innings guy. That's my issue. It's hard finding a good comp

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[milldaddy35]

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What would CF Jake Marisnick cost from the San Fransisco Giants? I am the Twins. Jake is hitting .167/.194/.200. I am interested in acquiring him because he plays good defense and I need a fourth outfielder, all of mine are hurt. Just wondering what the Giants would be seeking in return.

[TGov]

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I don't think Lamb is that much better than Travis show who was traded for a pretty good late innings guy. That's my issue. It's hard finding a good comp

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That's a good point, I wasn't too high on Shaw, and I do value Drury for multiple reasons (versatility, high-ish contact/vision, a little younger, RH batter as I'm not that great hitting lefty). On top of that, the DBacks would be more likely to trade him than Lamb.

Thanks guys, appreciate the discussion. I'll have to stop in again soon.

While I'm here, what do you you think Pomeranz value is?

He's pitching decent for me now but I personally don't want him on my team anymore. Thanks.