MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Gonna hit a few of these here -

-A. Miller for Ryu, Barraclough, and prospect Leroy Perez: I actually like this one a lot. I think Cleveland would do this because it keeps their window open longer, doesn't destroy the bullpen, and adds to the rotation. Only thing might be if you have another slightly worse prospect at another position, that might be a better fit with Mejia, Gomes, and Perez in CLE long term. If not though, still a solid deal.

-Rosario for Diaz, Piscotty, and Wong: This one is hard to evaluate from a value standpoint, but in terms of realism I don't think this deal would happen. If you can find another deal where a team traded three decent, young regulars for a prospect I'd like to see that. I can't see STL doing this, especially if they aren't already out of it, because of the risk involved. Great as Rosario is, that's a massive risk for them to blow apart their core for one guy who could bust and leave them out three regulars. Also, can't see St. Louis punting on the season in May, and this deal would kill any realistic hopes of contention. I just don't think this one is realistic.

-Doolittle and Madson to WSH for Treinen and Soto: I don't think Washington would trade Soto for two RP. I know they're pitching even better, but Oakland would have taken Soto if they could have gotten him this summer. I just don't see them giving up Soto for bullpen help unless it's maybe like Britton. You can add a C prospect onto the Neuse/Luzardo package or we can find some other guys, but I think Soto would be off the table.

-Gray/Felix/Darvish for Acuna, Maitan, Colon/Garcia: From a realism perspective, you should probably focus on Gray if you're heading into 2017 because both the M's and Rangers have hopes of contention for this season so they probably wouldn't punt on those before the season by trading their respective aces. I should also note that technically you can't trade Bartolo until June as a recent FA signing. So I'm gonna mostly look at Gray and Garcia. So Acuna and Matian is a good start, but I think you need a little more. They'd probably also want an arm, likely someone close to the majors, so maybe like Lucas Sims? They don't really have any use for Garcia so he actually wouldn't be a positive, he'd just be salary relief and if you're dumping him probably toss in another low level prospect. So I think Gray for Acuna, Maitan, Sims, Garcia, and say Seymour or Sanchez would be fair. If you want to keep Maitan, swap him for Gohara and bump Seymour/Sanchez to Touki/Alex Jackson.

That Andrew Miller deal is egregious.

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[whbaseball51121]

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That Andrew Miller deal is egregious.

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I feel like it'd almost have to be to incentivize them to deal Miller while trying to build a WS team. Maybe the prospect isn't necessary though.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I feel like it'd almost have to be to incentivize them to deal Miller while trying to build a WS team. Maybe the prospect isn't necessary though.

It's too light for Miller. Ryu is constantly on the DL. Barraclough is a big downgrade in the pen and that prospect isn't close to good enough

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[BigOscar]

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What kind of value does Jorge Polanco of the Twins have? Good young shortstop, controllable, decent upside, but they have two elite shortstops prospects in Nick Gordon and Royce Lewis, so he's pretty expendable.

[whbaseball51121]

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It's too light for Miller. Ryu is constantly on the DL. Barraclough is a big downgrade in the pen and that prospect isn't close to good enough

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It's one season of an elite reliever for four of a very good one plus a solid if injury prone MLB starter and an A prospect. I don't think it's that far off from say the Chapman deal last year in value.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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It's one season of an elite reliever for four of a very good one plus a solid if injury prone MLB starter and an A prospect. I don't think it's that far off from say the Chapman deal last year in value.

But why would a world series contender downgrade in the pen so much for AN injury prone #5 in their rotation and a prospect who must be made up or I missed who he is

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[whbaseball51121]

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What kind of value does Jorge Polanco of the Twins have? Good young shortstop, controllable, decent upside, but they have two elite shortstops prospects in Nick Gordon and Royce Lewis, so he's pretty expendable.

They'd probably be more inclined to deal Dozier and move Polanco to 2B if and when those guys are ready, but they would probably move him for an overpay in prospect value or a comparably young, talented and controlled SP. Are you the Twins?

[UNDERTAKER1215]

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Even though I'm falling farther and farther back in the standings, I still want to try and compete, and after trading Drew Pomeranz to Washington, I'm looking for a replacement... or 2 perhaps. Even though some of these starters may not be top of the rotation guys or shutdown guys, they all have one thing in common, they're controllable beyond this season, some less than others.

I some what categorized my targets by the return I figured they would get, but thats just by idea of a return. Who out of these guys would be a realistic target, and for what? I'm willing to move Jackie Bradley Jr. (354 AB, 41 R, 11 HR, 26 RBI, 18 SB, .285) to facilitate a deal for one of the A pitchers.

A:
Matt Shoemaker (LAA) -- 8-4, 121.2 IP, 101 K, 21 BB, 3.03 ERA, 1.10 WHIP
Julio Teheran (ATL) -- 8-6, 120.2 IP, 94 K, 46 BB, 4.55 ERA, 1.43 WHIP
Taijuan Walker (ARI) -- 7-5, 118.2 IP, 113 K, 27 BB, 3.72 ERA, 1.14 WHIP

B:
Jesse Hahn (OAK) -- 9-4, 114.2 IP, 59 K, 44 BB, 3.14 ERA, 1.33 WHIP
Dan Straily (MIA) -- 7-3, 102.2 IP, 103 K, 42 BB, 3.42 ERA, 1.26 WHIP
Zack Wheeler (NYM) -- 1-6, 63.0 IP, 73 K, 32 BB, 5.86 ERA, 1.54 WHIP
Anthony DeSclafani (CIN) -- 4-9, 105.2 IP, 99 K, 34 BB, 3.75 ERA, 1.15 WHIP
Robbie Ray (ARI) -- 3-8, 106.1 IP, 110 K, 48 BB, 4.49 ERA, 1.40 WHIP

C:
Robbie Erlin (SD) -- 0-2, 28.2 IP, 24 K, 3 BB, 3.14 ERA, 1.29 WHIP

A bullpen arm and replacement outfielder (only if I trade Bradley) would also be a nice add for me so here are a few I've scouted.

Ryan Dull (OAK) -- 2-0, 65.1 IP, 48 K, 6 BB, 4.41 ERA, 1.18 WHIP
Ian Krol (ATL) -- 1-1, 33.1 IP, 31 K, 14 BB, 2.16 ERA, 1.47 WHIP
Kyle Barraclough (MIA) -- 0-2, 26.2 IP, 35 K, 17 BB, 3.38 ERA, 1.43 WHIP
Jarred Cosart (SD) -- 4-3, 65.1 IP, 44 K, 35 BB, 4.96 ERA, 1.60 WHIP
Ryan Butcher (SD) -- 2-0, 28.1 IP, 43 K, 15 BB, 2.86 ERA, 1.24 WHIP
Carter Capps (SD) -- 1-0, 23.2 IP, 23 K, 12 BB, 1.14 ERA, 1.31 WHIP


Khris Davis (OAK) -- 363 AB, 47 R, 14 HR, 39 RBI, 1 SB, .253 AVG
Yasmany Tomas (ARI) -- 314 AB, 34 R, 14 HR, 48 RBI, 0 SB, .280 AVG
Carlos Gonzalez (COL) -- 341 AB, 47 R, 14 HR, 44 RBI, 0 SB, .282 AVG (I know he's not controllable beyond this season, but if I do get him and he performs, I'd like to resign him)
Alex Dickerson (SD) -- 295 AB, 34 R, 18 HR, 52 RBI, 1 SB, .302 AVG

[whbaseball51121]

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But why would a world series contender downgrade in the pen so much for AN injury prone #5 in their rotation and a prospect who must be made up or I missed who he is

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I'm guessing the prospect is a 17 draft pick and no disrespect but I think you're under rating Ryu and Barraclough. Ryu is more a 3/4 when healthy and is an upgrade over Tomlin, Bauer, and Clevinger and Barraclough is a very good late inning arm (10th best RP by WAR last year). The difference isn't nearly as big even if KB isn't playing as well in game, and they'd do it to gain three years of control of a good RP to line up with the window of Edwin's contract as well as Kluber, Lindor, Kip, Brantley, Allen, etc's primes. It would help extend their window of contention, which falls in line with their seeming philosophy of being good for as many years as possible as opposed to elite for one, upgrade their rotation short term and give a much needed lefty to balance it, and add prospect capital to either trade or develop.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I'm guessing the prospect is a 17 draft pick and no disrespect but I think you're under rating Ryu and Barraclough. Ryu is more a 3/4 when healthy and is an upgrade over Tomlin, Bauer, and Clevinger and Barraclough is a very good late inning arm (10th best RP by WAR last year). The difference isn't nearly as big even if KB isn't playing as well in game, and they'd do it to gain three years of control of a good RP to line up with the window of Edwin's contract as well as Kluber, Lindor, Kip, Brantley, Allen, etc's primes. It would help extend their window of contention, which falls in line with their seeming philosophy of being good for as many years as possible as opposed to elite for one, upgrade their rotation short term and give a much needed lefty to balance it, and add prospect capital to either trade or develop.

Barraclough is 27, has had one good season, and has been bad in 2017. He got away with poor walk numbers because he was striking out 14 per 9 IP in 2016 but hes fallen to under 10 in 2017. That combined with walking 6 per 9 IP isn't as helpful. A flash in the pan reliever doesn't extend a window, and a 2017 draft pick doesn't extend a window.

Ryu had shoulder surgery and has thrown and has thrown 96 innings since 2014. Now before the shoulder surgery he was really quite good. Two seasons of 3.6 and 3.8 WAR. But he has a bum shoulder and that hurts a pitchers value. He's also a free agent after 2018. Trading for impending free agents doesn't extend a window. A mid to back end rental starter doesn't extend a window.

However, Andrew Miller gives a legit shot at getting a WS title. The Indians would need to recoup Clint Frazier plus to deal Miller away and this package isn't that.

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[whbaseball51121]

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Barraclough is 27, has had one good season, and has been bad in 2017. He got away with poor walk numbers because he was striking out 14 per 9 IP in 2016 but hes fallen to under 10 in 2017. That combined with walking 6 per 9 IP isn't as helpful. A flash in the pan reliever doesn't extend a window, and a 2017 draft pick doesn't extend a window.

Ryu had shoulder surgery and has thrown and has thrown 96 innings since 2014. Now before the shoulder surgery he was really quite good. Two seasons of 3.6 and 3.8 WAR. But he has a bum shoulder and that hurts a pitchers value. He's also a free agent after 2018. Trading for impending free agents doesn't extend a window. A mid to back end rental starter doesn't extend a window.

However, Andrew Miller gives a legit shot at getting a WS title. The Indians would need to recoup Clint Frazier plus to deal Miller away and this package isn't that.

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I think we just have agree to disagree. It's clear we value KB differently, as I believe that he's somewhere in between 2016 and 2017 and that he's a solid reliever who'd extend their window while you see him as a flash in the pan/reclamation project. I see where you're coming from and I respect your opinion but I still don't agree with it. I'm an Indians fan and I do think they would make this trade because it doesn't cripple the 2018 team while giving a controllable SU RP for the next few years. Obviously we value these guys differently and it is what it is.

[BigOscar]

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They'd probably be more inclined to deal Dozier and move Polanco to 2B if and when those guys are ready, but they would probably move him for an overpay in prospect value or a comparably young, talented and controlled SP. Are you the Twins?

Yeah, already planning on moving Dozier, but I signed Yamada with the intention of bringing him up for the last couple of weeks so I can offer him a more realistic, overpay contract and have him as my starting 2B next year and probably bring up Gordon sooner rather than later to play short.

I could keep Polanco around as depth, but we've already got a couple of utility guys. Just figured Polanco might be able to bring us a young pitcher or maybe a couple of young arms for the bullpen as ours is an embarrassment at the moment. We need pitchers more than I need Polanco

[whbaseball51121]

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Yeah, already planning on moving Dozier, but I signed Yamada with the intention of bringing him up for the last couple of weeks so I can offer him a more realistic, overpay contract and have him as my starting 2B next year and probably bring up Gordon sooner rather than later to play short.

I could keep Polanco around as depth, but we've already got a couple of utility guys. Just figured Polanco might be able to bring us a young pitcher or maybe a couple of young arms for the bullpen as ours is an embarrassment at the moment. We need pitchers more than I need Polanco

Maybe Perdomo or Lamet plus something minor from SDP? He could be their SS. Faria maybe from TB? Maybe like Tropeano or Nate Smith + from LAA? Polanco could be a good 2B option for them. Maybe PIT for Trevor Williams +? Rookie Davis+ from CIN? Mengden from OAK?

[UNDERTAKER1215]

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Even though I'm falling farther and farther back in the standings, I still want to try and compete, and after trading Drew Pomeranz to Washington, I'm looking for a replacement... or 2 perhaps. Even though some of these starters may not be top of the rotation guys or shutdown guys, they all have one thing in common, they're controllable beyond this season, some less than others.

I some what categorized my targets by the return I figured they would get, but thats just by idea of a return. Who out of these guys would be a realistic target, and for what? I'm willing to move Jackie Bradley Jr. (354 AB, 41 R, 11 HR, 26 RBI, 18 SB, .285) to facilitate a deal for one of the A pitchers.

A:
Matt Shoemaker (LAA) -- 8-4, 121.2 IP, 101 K, 21 BB, 3.03 ERA, 1.10 WHIP
Julio Teheran (ATL) -- 8-6, 120.2 IP, 94 K, 46 BB, 4.55 ERA, 1.43 WHIP
Taijuan Walker (ARI) -- 7-5, 118.2 IP, 113 K, 27 BB, 3.72 ERA, 1.14 WHIP

B:
Jesse Hahn (OAK) -- 9-4, 114.2 IP, 59 K, 44 BB, 3.14 ERA, 1.33 WHIP
Dan Straily (MIA) -- 7-3, 102.2 IP, 103 K, 42 BB, 3.42 ERA, 1.26 WHIP
Zack Wheeler (NYM) -- 1-6, 63.0 IP, 73 K, 32 BB, 5.86 ERA, 1.54 WHIP
Anthony DeSclafani (CIN) -- 4-9, 105.2 IP, 99 K, 34 BB, 3.75 ERA, 1.15 WHIP
Robbie Ray (ARI) -- 3-8, 106.1 IP, 110 K, 48 BB, 4.49 ERA, 1.40 WHIP

C:
Robbie Erlin (SD) -- 0-2, 28.2 IP, 24 K, 3 BB, 3.14 ERA, 1.29 WHIP

A bullpen arm and replacement outfielder (only if I trade Bradley) would also be a nice add for me so here are a few I've scouted.

Ryan Dull (OAK) -- 2-0, 65.1 IP, 48 K, 6 BB, 4.41 ERA, 1.18 WHIP
Ian Krol (ATL) -- 1-1, 33.1 IP, 31 K, 14 BB, 2.16 ERA, 1.47 WHIP
Kyle Barraclough (MIA) -- 0-2, 26.2 IP, 35 K, 17 BB, 3.38 ERA, 1.43 WHIP
Jarred Cosart (SD) -- 4-3, 65.1 IP, 44 K, 35 BB, 4.96 ERA, 1.60 WHIP
Ryan Butcher (SD) -- 2-0, 28.1 IP, 43 K, 15 BB, 2.86 ERA, 1.24 WHIP
Carter Capps (SD) -- 1-0, 23.2 IP, 23 K, 12 BB, 1.14 ERA, 1.31 WHIP


Khris Davis (OAK) -- 363 AB, 47 R, 14 HR, 39 RBI, 1 SB, .253 AVG
Yasmany Tomas (ARI) -- 314 AB, 34 R, 14 HR, 48 RBI, 0 SB, .280 AVG
Carlos Gonzalez (COL) -- 341 AB, 47 R, 14 HR, 44 RBI, 0 SB, .282 AVG (I know he's not controllable beyond this season, but if I do get him and he performs, I'd like to resign him)
Alex Dickerson (SD) -- 295 AB, 34 R, 18 HR, 52 RBI, 1 SB, .302 AVG

What COULD I get for Bradley Jr.? I really like Michael Taylor (acquired for Pomeranz), so I wouldn't mind seeing what I could get for JBJ. If I can, I'd like to get an MLB ready starter and outfielder with power, or at least one who can hit for average.

Some combos I thought of are...

TEX: Martin Perez, Ryan Rua, Delino DeShields Jr.

HOU: Mike Fiers/Collin McHugh, Nori Aoki, Jake Marisnick

NYM: Zack Wheeler, Gavin Cecchini, Brandon Nimmo

COL: Tyler Anderson/German Marquez, Adam Ottavino/Mike Dunn, Carlos Gonzalez/Gerardo Parra

SF: Matt Moore, Austin Slater/Jarrett Parker

[BigOscar]

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Maybe Perdomo or Lamet plus something minor from SDP? He could be their SS. Faria maybe from TB? Maybe like Tropeano or Nate Smith + from LAA? Polanco could be a good 2B option for them. Maybe PIT for Trevor Williams +? Rookie Davis+ from CIN? Mengden from OAK?

Yeah might look at some of those, not sure he gets Faria but someone like Tropeano as a long reliever as ours currently aren't offering much relief. I think I might have to scout around for some low rated but hard throwing young relievers as that's really what we lack. We're all just soft throwing guys who throw strikes that opponents find no issue smashing, so if I can find a couple of maybe high 60's rated controllable relievers on the teams you've mentioned who can throw hard and have at least passable H/9's and K/9's I think that might be worth doing.

I'm almost impressed by how truly terrible the Twins bullpen depth is tbh