MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[babybombers]

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Dude you can do the trade if you want. But it isn't fair or realistic. The Angels wouldn't deal Trout for spare parts. They only have $88 million in salaries set for 2018. They could just go spend and keep Trout.

If they sold Trout with 1 year left they'd get the quality of prospect back you're talking about.

You still haven't posted your proposal.

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I haven't posted anything because I didn't want to rip off the CPU. I just posted the situation and the angels are garbage and figured if I took the garbage off their hands that it'd help. It's complex what I was trying to do with the contacts so I was trying to find out what I'd have to give up with taking the crap back with trout

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I haven't posted anything because I didn't want to rip off the CPU. I just posted the situation and the angels are garbage and figured if I took the garbage off their hands that it'd help. It's complex what I was trying to do with the contacts so I was trying to find out what I'd have to give up with taking the crap back with trout

You'd still have to give up your best prospects. Even if you got to keep Sanchez. You'd have to take back Street, Hamilton and Pujols, give up your 4 of your 5 best prospects including Torres and add in Greg Bird

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[HighCmpPct]

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It's less rare than getting Mike Trout. Sanchez isn't even the best catcher in the league. Trout is the best player on the freaking planet

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Yes he is and that is exactly what makes him worthless in trades really. The only reason to trade for Trout is because you're trying to make your team better and win a WS. Well you can't trade for Trout and win a WS it's just not possible.

Furthermore just to expand New York would never pull this trade anyway. We don't care about the best player in the league, we care about titles. Oh your jersey sells a lot and you bring in a ton of money, who cares we don't need more money.

With the years left on Trouts contract he's not tradable to any team. Now when he's down to his final year, even being the best player in the league his value will go down. It will still be insanely high, highest we've ever seen really but it will be lower than it is now. Because he'll go to FA the year after.

And I can get a lot closer to Trouts production in the outfield than I can to Sanchez's behind the plate. No catcher swings the bat like Sanchez, Posey was better about e years ago but until he shows he still has the power he did he's not right now.

Yep it's WAR is incredible, but you can only give up so much before it doesn't replace what you gave up.

[MrSerendipity]

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My point exactly. I was never saying there wasn't still value but I'm saying the return wouldn't be as crazy as people think like someone saying 7 of the Yankees top 10 prospects. That is well over 85 million in surplus

Considering you're quoting me. That is the point, you don't know that market because the market has never been set. What we do know is that sacrifice a team would have to make to acquire Trout would be astronomical. It's weird that you both A.) Want Trout so Bad B.) Don't Understand His Worth

The Angels have no way of securing a worthy return for Trout. GM's don't make deals that they know they won't win. As has been said, LA will be clearing up cap room in the coming years and will be able to bolster their team without dealing Trout. It's reasonable to believe they could buy/groom a competitive team well before Trout is no longer the best player in the league. They don't have the motivation you think they do, to move him.

[HighCmpPct]

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You'd still have to give up your best prospects. Even if you got to keep Sanchez. You'd have to take back Street, Hamilton and Pujols, give up your 4 of your 5 best prospects including Torres and add in Greg Bird

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My point was this, is Trout worth the 5 top Yankees prospects and Trout? Yes absolutely he is. But if you take Sanchez out and replace him with their 6th best prospect who has the farm system to match that offer and not put themselves in exactly the same no possible win spot as the Angels.

Personally I think Atlanta is the only one with enough young talent to match the offer but it would put them in a worse position than the Angels if they did.

I'm not arguing Trout's value, I'm just saying if the Angels decided to move him you can only get what there is out there to get.

[babybombers]

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Yes he is and that is exactly what makes him worthless in trades really. The only reason to trade for Trout is because you're trying to make your team better and win a WS. Well you can't trade for Trout and win a WS it's just not possible.

Furthermore just to expand New York would never pull this trade anyway. We don't care about the best player in the league, we care about titles. Oh your jersey sells a lot and you bring in a ton of money, who cares we don't need more money.

With the years left on Trouts contract he's not tradable to any team. Now when he's down to his final year, even being the best player in the league his value will go down. It will still be insanely high, highest we've ever seen really but it will be lower than it is now. Because he'll go to FA the year after.

And I can get a lot closer to Trouts production in the outfield than I can to Sanchez's behind the plate. No catcher swings the bat like Sanchez, Posey was better about e years ago but until he shows he still has the power he did he's not right now.

Yep it's WAR is incredible, but you can only give up so much before it doesn't replace what you gave up.

Couldn't have said it any better. I was just trying to see if the angels would be willing to let me help them reset all there garbage contracts and get prospects back for the future to start the rebuild because not a single person believes the angels will do anything with that team over the next at least 4-5 years and by then they get nothing for trout and then there is another 4-5 years in rebuilding.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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My point was this, is Trout worth the 5 top Yankees prospects and Trout? Yes absolutely he is. But if you take Sanchez out and replace him with their 6th best prospect who has the farm system to match that offer and not put themselves in exactly the same no possible win spot as the Angels.

Personally I think Atlanta is the only one with enough young talent to match the offer but it would put them in a worse position than the Angels if they did.

I'm not arguing Trout's value, I'm just saying if the Angels decided to move him you can only get what there is out there to get.

Which is why they keep him till his walk year and this whole discussion is kinda pointless. Even in his walk year he'd require a prospect comparable to Yoan Moncada or Gleyber Torres. That's how much one season of Trout would be worth to a competitor

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[WaitTilNextYear]

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Any GM who refused to deal Gary Sanchez for Mike Trout would be immediately fired and banned from baseball for life. There is no argument to be made here. We're talking a 25 year old all-time great versus a guy who might make a few all-star teams if he can actually stay healthy and consistent. There is no credible counter argument to be made, even by the homer-iest of Yankees homers.

[HighCmpPct]

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Which is why they keep him till his walk year and this whole discussion is kinda pointless. Even in his walk year he'd require a prospect comparable to Yoan Moncada or Gleyber Torres. That's how much one season of Trout would be worth to a competitor

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I agree but the question asked was if the Angels decided to move him this year, and if they did that's just the situation, you can't get what's something's worth if what it's worth isn't out there to get.

I agree with you the Angels wouldn't trade Trout, but his scenario said was the situation that they decided they wanted to now so that's what I was trying to help with.

If they tried to get rid of Trout this season do you think anyone could match a Torres, Judge, and the top 4-5 Yanks prospects offer even without Sanchez in the deal? They would also have to be able to take on those bad contracts as the Angels don't trade Trout early unless they can get rid of those contracts too.

I'm not arguing I'm really curious as to whether anyone thinks someone could match that offer? Maybe the Cubs but they're the only team that probably doesn't need Trout really.

[HighCmpPct]

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Any GM who refused to deal Gary Sanchez for Mike Trout would be immediately fired and banned from baseball for life. There is no argument to be made here. We're talking a 25 year old all-time great versus a guy who might make a few all-star teams if he can actually stay healthy and consistent. There is no credible counter argument to be made, even by the homer-iest of Yankees homers.

The context of my statement is in regards to this hypothesized situation this trade discussion takes place in.

No if I'm giving up Torres,Judge and my top 5 prospects I wouldn't throw in Sanchez, no GM would do that deal either as you're actually gonna make your team even worse.

I wouldn't add Sanchez into that deal again because NO ONE COULD MATCH IT, not because Trout isn't worth it. Please everyone understand what I'm syaing. I'm not arguing Trout's worth, just saying what is out there.

[BennyXavier]

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Yankees fan checking in - if I'm Brian Cashman and I'm willing to sell absolutely anything to get Trout, here's what I offer:

Angels get:

RHP Dellin Betances
RHP Luis Cessa
RHP Bryan Mitchell
LHP Jordan Montgomery
SS Gleyber Torres
SS Jorge Mateo
OF Clint Frazier
C Gary Sanchez

Yankees get:

OF Mike Trout

There are two problems with this trade: 1) the Yankees won't do it, and 2) the Angels won't do it. The Yankees aren't giving up that much upside. The Angels aren't gambling on prospects when they already have Mickey Mantle locked up for the next few years. So I don't see a Trout trade happening.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I agree but the question asked was if the Angels decided to move him this year, and if they did that's just the situation, you can't get what's something's worth if what it's worth isn't out there to get.

I agree with you the Angels wouldn't trade Trout, but his scenario said was the situation that they decided they wanted to now so that's what I was trying to help with.

If they tried to get rid of Trout this season do you think anyone could match a Torres, Judge, and the top 4-5 Yanks prospects offer even without Sanchez in the deal? They would also have to be able to take on those bad contracts as the Angels don't trade Trout early unless they can get rid of those contracts too.

I'm not arguing I'm really curious as to whether anyone thinks someone could match that offer? Maybe the Cubs but they're the only team that probably doesn't need Trout really.

As headliners

Cubs have Eloy and Happ or they could offer Schwarber
Braves have a better farm than New York.
Mets could offer Conforto, Rosario and Gsellman
White Sox could do Moncada, Giolito and Kopech
Brewers could do Brinson, Ray and Hader
Red Sox could do Benintindi and Devers
Twins could give up Sano and Buxton
Pirates could do Polanco, Meadows and Glasnow
Astros could do Bregman plus whatever
Dodgers could do Alvarez, Ballinger, Verdugo
Phillies could do Alfaro, Crawford and Moniak

So plenty of teams could match or top the offer Bombers originally wanted keeping Torres and Sanchez out of the deal

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[HighCmpPct]

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As headliners

Cubs have Eloy and Happ or they could offer Schwarber
Braves have a better farm than New York.
Mets could offer Conforto, Rosario and Gsellman
White Sox could do Moncada, Giolito and Kopech
Brewers could do Brinson, Ray and Hader
Red Sox could do Benintindi and Devers
Twins could give up Sano and Buxton
Pirates could do Polanco, Meadows and Glasnow
Astros could do Bregman plus whatever
Dodgers could do Alvarez, Ballinger, Verdugo
Phillies could do Alfaro, Crawford and Moniak

So plenty of teams could match or top the offer Bombers originally wanted keeping Torres and Sanchez out of the deal

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Matching it is only part of the problem though most of those teams either A couldn't take on the other contracts the Angels would have to get rid of now if they wanted to deal Trout now. Or B actually put themselves in a worse spot than the Angels are in now.

They can match it but what else? And a Red Sox trade starts with Mookie not Benintendi.

[HighCmpPct]

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Ironically the problem here is that Trout isn't worth what he's really worth lol.

Like he's actually worth all of this in a trade, but if you're looking to get better he's actually not worth it. Anyone get what I'm saying?

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Matching it is only part of the problem though most of those teams either A couldn't take on the other contracts the Angels would have to get rid of now if they wanted to deal Trout now. Or B actually put themselves in a worse spot than the Angels are in now.

They can match it but what else? And a Red Sox trade starts with Mookie not Benintendi.

Why do the Angels need to rid themselves of these deals? Street is making $9 million and is done after 2017. The Hamilton money moves after 2017. LA is a really big market. They can handle big time salary.

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