What is with the minor league pitchers?

[skow05]

Re: What is with the minor league pitchers?

My question would be:

Is this a repertoire that is present in multiple generated pitchers across the minors or just an isolated 'special' player?

This has been an issue in the past. I'm just hoping that it's an anomaly this time around and not a trend.

[thegut]

Re: What is with the minor league pitchers?

You're literally the only one bringing up the 110 mph pitch. Yes, we know. It was a velocity drill.

Well I started the thread about an 18% fastball to changeup differential and how that is unrealistic. Other posters used Kopech to dispute my claim. Kopech doesn't, unless someone believes he throws at 110 consistently with a 91 CHG. So yes I agree he is not a good example for what my post was originally about.

I was just trying to address the Kopech example that others have posted because I don't understand how his 7.6% differential is comparable to 18% unless someone is confusing his top speed with 110

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[ROTTEN]

Re: What is with the minor league pitchers?

I'm trying to play RTTS and some of the AA pitchers are so ridiculous that it is killing my enjoyment. For an example, I'm currently going against the Mobile Baybears and their starter named Karnitz throws 100mph 4SFB.....and an 82mph CH!? Is there anyway to get realistic abilities for pitchers at this level?

Why not just adjust to it and call it a day? What do the kids say these days? ...... Get gud?

[thegut]

Re: What is with the minor league pitchers?

My question would be:

Is this a repertoire that is present in multiple generated pitchers across the minors or just an isolated 'special' player?

This has been an issue in the past. I'm just hoping that it's an anomaly this time around and not a trend.

I have faced about three pitchers that have about a 15% speed differential (Pedro Martinez level change ups) that while pretty ridiculous were no where near the 63 rated starter I faced that had 18%

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[dalger21]

Re: What is with the minor league pitchers?

Well I started the thread about an 18% fastball to changeup differential and how that is unrealistic. Other posters used Kopech to disputed my claim. Kopech doesn't unless someone believes he throws at 110 consistently with a 91 CHG. So yes I agree he is not a good example for what my post was originally about.

I was just trying to address the Kopech example that others have posted because I don't understand how his 7.6% differential is comparable to 18% unless someone is confusing his top speed with 110

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I'm trying to figure out how that is such a big deal. Arodis Chapman throws a 102-104 mph fastball and 88-90 ch. So that's unreleastic too?

[thegut]

Re: What is with the minor league pitchers?

I'm trying to figure out how that is such a big deal. Arodis Chapman throws a 102-104 mph fastball and 88-90 ch. So that's unreleastic too?

It's not a huge deal. Amazingly even with this problem life will still go on. Chapman probably has the biggest split in MLB (about 15%) but he is a reliever and not a starter. He can pitch like that without his arm falling off because he is expected to only throw about 20 pitches an outing not 100.

The OSFM will probably rectify all this so I will just have to wait till then.

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[countryboy]

Re: What is with the minor league pitchers?

Maybe I am mistaken but didn't the Devs come out last year and say that they purposely made changeups significantly slower than that of fastballs to help players with pitch recognition?

For some reason I keep thinking this was stated.

[thegut]

Re: What is with the minor league pitchers?

Maybe I am mistaken but didn't the Devs come out last year and say that they purposely made changeups significantly slower than that of fastballs to help players with pitch recognition?

For some reason I keep thinking this was stated.

I wasn't aware of that. I'll do some searches to see if that clarifies my issue.

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[BobSacamano]

What is with the minor league pitchers?

This has been an issue with this game for generations now. It used to be 100 MPH fastballs followed by 68 MPH knucklers, but thankfully that situation has been remedied.

I don't know the exact cause, but I've long suspected that it's due to the computer throwing every pitch "max effort". So a guy who CAN hit 99 most likely WILL hit 99 frequently. And his change-up that CAN dip as low as 83 WILL come in at that speed. In real life, that guy might be sitting 96-97 with his change-up clocking in around 85 mph.

The real problem is that, in real life, there are certain tip-offs that help the batter that simply cannot exist in the video game world (yet). Namely, a batter can read the pitcher's arm action, the spin of the ball, and the pitcher's hand coming out of the glove. The video game batter doesn't really have the same luxury. Instead, we have to kind of figure out whether the pitch is a fastball or changeup or breaking ball based on the visual cue of the pitch's movement. When there is a great disparity between fastball speed and changeup speed, there simply is no time to react once you've read the visual cues. It's basically a guessing game. I've heard rumors of players who can read a pitcher's spin out of the hand in the Show, so maybe I need a much bigger TV or something.

This reason is why I'd really love if the Show offered a "Hitter's Eye" option a la MVP. I know it's video gamey, but it is a video game after all.


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[countryboy]

Re: What is with the minor league pitchers?

I wasn't aware of that. I'll do some searches to see if that clarifies my issue.

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Yeah I tried searching the forums, but unfortunately I couldn't find the exact post from one of the devs.

But I keep thinking this was an issue last year and that was the explanation that was given.

If I'm able to find that post, I'll be sure to post it here.

[thegut]

Re: What is with the minor league pitchers?

This has been an issue with this game for generations now. It used to be 100 MPH fastballs followed by 68 MPH knucklers, but thankfully that situation has been remedied.

I don't know the exact cause, but I've long suspected that it's due to the computer throwing every pitch "max effort". So a guy who CAN hit 99 most likely WILL hit 99 frequently. And his change-up that CAN dip as low as 83 WILL come in at that speed. In real life, that guy might be sitting 96-97 with his change-up clocking in around 85 mph.

The real problem is that, in real life, there are certain tip-offs that help the batter that simply cannot exist in the video game world (yet). Namely, a batter can the pitcher's read arm action, the spin of the ball, and the pitcher's hand coming out of the glove. The video game batter doesn't really have the same luxury. Instead, we have to kind of figure out whether the pitch is a fastball or changeup or breaking ball based on the visual cue or the pitch's movement. When there is a great disparity between fastball speed and changeup speed, there simply is no time to react once you've read the visual cues. It's basically a guessing game. I've heard rumors of players who can read a pitcher's spin out of the hand in the Show, so maybe I need a much bigger TV or something.

This reason is why I'd really love if the Show offered a "Hitter's Eye" option a la MVP. I know it's video gamey, but it is a video game after all.


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Thanks. Your theory does make sense.

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[thegut]

Re: What is with the minor league pitchers?

Yeah I tried searching the forums, but unfortunately I couldn't find the exact post from one of the devs.

But I keep thinking this was an issue last year and that was the explanation that was given.

If I'm able to find that post, I'll be sure to post it here.

Thank you!

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[kooch66]

Re: What is with the minor league pitchers?

I don't mind their stuff being "too good" for their level, frankly I don't want to get used to pitchers with crap velocity and control...But what does drive me crazy is their repertoire. In the Bowman scout game or whatever before the draft the starter had FIVE different pitches. That's nonsense and far too common in the minors in these games.

[CaseIH]

Re: What is with the minor league pitchers?

Yeah I tried searching the forums, but unfortunately I couldn't find the exact post from one of the devs.

But I keep thinking this was an issue last year and that was the explanation that was given.

If I'm able to find that post, I'll be sure to post it here.

I thought I had heard that as well about the speed difference. I dont agree with it being done that way, but it does seem they did it on purpose.

Its actually been a issue for as long as I can remember with this game, on speed differences between FB and Changeup.

I thought thats what the slider for off speed pitch was for, so if you want you can speed up the offspeed pitches froma visual aspect, to make it look closer to the velocity of the FB.
So I would think adjusting that slider would fix this issue atleats somewhat, unless you play online then I guess it wouldnt be of any help.

The OSFM roster will fix the issue of pitchers having to much of a difference between FB and offspeed pitches. So 1 way or the other it will get fixed, but I do wish the devs did a better job with the making of the MILB players. I know most of us use OSFM, so its not a huge deal for most of us, but there are some who just start franchise mode as soon as they get the game, so for them it would be nice if they got better fake players in their farm systems without editing them.