Too many HR's?

[Razeart2422]

Re: Too many HR's?

I haven't hit 9 this week, haha. I use directional and custom sliders though.

I use directional too

[kubankaos]

Re: Too many HR's?

I hit a bomb out of the bleachers in Dodger stadium with Corey Seager. It was in batting practice though.

But I will say, it only the first round or two of bp after installing the patch. I haven't done much since.

Edit: This was on Legend, zone w/ analog. And it looks like sliders were default. I guess they revert to default after restarting the app?

[Razeart2422]

Re: Too many HR's?

Ok I just figured out a way to confirm it myself.

The patch notes say:

*-Added MPH and pitch info to score bar in CPU vs CPU games.

I just started my next game in my season by letting the computer play and the MPH and pitch info was now showing. So the patch does work with a season in progress.

I don't know why i am hitting so many Homers.

[fredhand19]

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I think the patch had the opposite effect on homeruns. This is every game for me now. I stopped playing mid 7th and am deleting my franchise I think. This game is like an arcade on legend.

I was a struggling all star hitter last year.


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[fredhand19]

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Should add I am using default sliders.


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[Reddrum26]

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Seems like I'm just typing

[WhiteBunny]

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I think the patch had the opposite effect on homeruns. This is every game for me now. I stopped playing mid 7th and am deleting my franchise I think. This game is like an arcade on legend.

I was a struggling all star hitter last year.

I don't know, Fred. I'm doing a test on Franchise Mode with Braves. There are two problems related to HR's.

- Pitchers ( on HOF hitting ) throws an insane amount of meatballs. The pitch by pitch logic really need a tuning.

- Hitting is too easy this year. They've dumbed down the difficult to a point in which even an average Zone Batter like me ( i was on All Star last year and it was a challenge ) is forced to play on Legend. And even on Legend, you're able to hit 10-15 hits per game. I understand they want a more easy game, but they went too far with that. Basically offline you need a set of sliders just to make the game harder and more balanced ( too much emphasis on offence ).

[nomo17k]

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For those claiming "too many meat pitches," when do you feel does CPU throw them often? The first pitch of an at-bat? Or some other ball-strike count?

I don't personally feel CPU has changed that much in that aspect this year, but just out of curiosity.

[fredhand19]

Re: Too many HR's?

I don't know, Fred. I'm doing a test on Franchise Mode with Braves. There are two problems related to HR's.



- Pitchers ( on HOF hitting ) throws an insane amount of meatballs. The pitch by pitch logic really need a tuning.



- Hitting is too easy this year. They've dumbed down the difficult to a point in which even an average Zone Batter like me ( i was on All Star last year and it was a challenge ) is forced to play on Legend. And even on Legend, you're able to hit 10-15 hits per game. I understand they want a more easy game, but they went too far with that. Basically offline you need a set of sliders just to make the game harder and more balanced ( too much emphasis on offence ).

I agree with all of this. And I also think wind impact is significant when blowing out. Going to try tuning that slider down.


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[fredhand19]

Re: Too many HR's?

For those claiming "too many meat pitches," when do you feel does CPU throw them often? The first pitch of an at-bat? Or some other ball-strike count?



I don't personally feel CPU has changed that much in that aspect this year, but just out of curiosity.

I haven't noticed a pattern.


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[WhiteBunny]

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For those claiming "too many meat pitches," when do you feel does CPU throw them often? The first pitch of an at-bat? Or some other ball-strike count?

I don't personally feel CPU has changed that much in that aspect this year, but just out of curiosity.

Basically you get a meatball or a strike near the middle of the zone every at-bat. The only option you have is to set hitting on Legend or Sliders. On HOF CPU pitchers should be more smart, in my opinion. At times, you feel like they want you just to crush the ball. Especially the first few innings, pitchers are too aggressive.

[nomo17k]

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Basically you get a meatball or a strike near the middle of the zone every at-bat. The only option you have is to set hitting on Legend or Sliders. On HOF CPU pitchers should be more smart, in my opinion. At times, you feel like they want you just to crush the ball. Especially the first few innings, pitchers are too aggressive.

Getting one hittable pitch every bat isn't really unexpected though (even the in-game Strategy Guide states that's about the fraction of "good" pitches you would receive).

As per a developer, AI doesn't change that much on and above All-star, and more significant difference in the difficulty is caused by changes in things like PCI size, difficulty of locating pitch, etc. (That's a conversation from a few years, so things might have changed, of course.)

Aside from the difficulty level, if CPU's inability to locate his pitches bothers you, you could also try increasing Pitcher Control and Pitcher Consistency sliders for CPU. The former tweaks pitchers' ability to command pitches very close to the intended target, and the latter tweaks their tendency to throw totally errant pitches that miss far away from the intended target.

But I think that's about the only way to influence CPU's pitch location.

[SolidSnake07]

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It may have already been said but keeping pitches on the black and on the corner is the best way to go along with changing speed and location. Right now I'm playing on all-star for hitting and pitching.

[WhiteBunny]

Re: Too many HR's?

Getting one hittable pitch every bat isn't really unexpected though (even the in-game Strategy Guide states that's about the fraction of "good" pitches you would receive).

As per a developer, AI doesn't change that much on and above All-star, and more significant difference in the difficulty is caused by changes in things like PCI size, difficulty of locating pitch, etc. (That's a conversation from a few years, so things might have changed, of course.)

Aside from the difficulty level, if CPU's inability to locate his pitches bothers you, you could also try increasing Pitcher Control and Pitcher Consistency sliders for CPU. The former tweaks pitchers' ability to command pitches very close to the intended target, and the latter tweaks their tendency to throw totally errant pitches that miss far away from the intended target.

But I think that's about the only way to influence CPU's pitch location.

Thanks for the answer, Nomo. I know you've great knowledge about baseball so i appreciate it. But i'm talking about the whole balance of the game which is a bit off. It's a more arcade experience and honestly i don't like the way SDS is leading. After a month, i'm still waiting for patches, sliders, etc... . It's not my cup of tea. I didn't touch a single slider in MLB 16, it was a well balancend game out of the box. It was a fair challenge, even on All Star.
Anyway, this is a batting practice session with Eric Thames Vs Porcello. Hitting is set on Legend and i'm using Zone ( with the PCI off ), default sliders. I know batting practice is a little bit different but this is what i'm seeing in play now games or franchise mode. Is that rewarding ? Not for me, not anymore. Again, it's not a good move to dumbing down the difficult so much just to have more DD players. Make the game more accessible, not more easy. Just my 2 cents.

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[nomo17k]

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Thanks for the answer, Nomo. I know you've great knowledge about baseball so i appreciate it. But i'm talking about the whole balance of the game which is a bit off. It's a more arcade experience and honestly i don't like the way SDS is leading. After a month, i'm still waiting for patches, sliders, etc... . It's not my cup of tea. I didn't touch a single slider in MLB 16, it was a well balancend game out of the box. It was a fair challenge, even on All Star.
Anyway, this is a batting practice session with Eric Thames Vs Porcello. Hitting is set on Legend and i'm using Zone ( with the PCI off ), default sliders. I know batting practice is a little bit different but this is what i'm seeing in play now games or franchise mode. Is that rewarding ? Not for me, not anymore. Again, it's not a good move to dumbing down the difficult so much just to have more DD players. Make the game more accessible, not more easy. Just my 2 cents.

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Yeah, so my intention is not at all to downplay the concerns some people feel about the apparent difficulty reduction, but am simply curious what causes people to feel that way. It's just part of the process of understanding the issue, without which we cannot really hope to have any solution.

It is of course possible that things like timing window and PCI size has been increased to further "open up" hitting in an effort to make the game accessible to more people...

... but even if that's true, that trend really started happening a few years ago, and while the ill-tuned ball physics (and the wind effect that exacerbates the problem) really made it look worse out of the box, I personally don't feel that aspect of the game specifically is substantially worse than, say, MLB 16.

If you ask that if the timing/contact window for generating HRs is a bit too wide, then I actually agree in general though... a difference I think is that's not an issue specific to this year but I have felt that way for a few years by now.

(And also heading to the ShowNation forum... there are now people complaining how the recent patch nerfed hitting too much to the extent they actually think it's too hard to generate offense... I don't agree with that feeling but it just shows people develop wildly different impressions.)

So I suppose that I just don't agree with the claim that hitting has gone arcade because the developers wanted it.. I just personally think that's not true (so a complaining around it only creates noises that lead to nothing, and if they have actually tried, they've really done a poor job making an arcade experience).

Now that the patch has nerfed power enough to the extent that arcade crowd expresses unhappiness, I am just curious what still remains of the "too many HRs" issue.

Looking at your video, I actually think I would not be surprised that you are naturally good enough to hit on Legend. I usually hit very comfortable on HoF/Zone and I don't move PCI well enough as you do, and All-star is definitely too easy for me. You having gotten better at the game may also be a factor.