The hitting in this game is off...

Collapse

Recommended Videos

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • fanofbaseball
    Rookie
    • Apr 2017
    • 65

    #46
    Re: The hitting in this game is off...

    Originally posted by HighCmpPct
    Well that is all absolutely correct, however the feedback doesn't take any of that into account as it's not on the game. People need to stop thinking of the feedback as the be all end all.

    All it is is timing, and on top of that the "good" timing isn't actually what good timing would be on most pitches. "Good" timing on a inside pitch according to feedback isn't actually "good" timing, you're late you should've been early.

    It's like the example I used earlier a get thrown a high fastball and foul it off, I know I was late I can feel it and see it in the swing and how the ball came off the bat. But what does the feedback say? "Good" timing, no it wasn't good I was late and I know it.

    All feedback does it give you something else to think about/ stress over instead of focusing on the pitcher. Pitch down the middle you pop it up or hit it foul but the feedback says "good" timing, now you're just thinking about why your guy missed it instead of about the pitcher and the next pitch.

    Personally I don't guess what's coming, I don't think about what might be coming I see the ball and react. Now yes occasionally on a 2-0, 3-1 count I'm thinking about getting one in my pull zone but I'm not thinking of a specific pitch.

    Guess pitch, feedback, strike zones, hot zones while all great features and by all means if you love them use them. But you'll always be behind people that don't use them.
    Given your response, I'm concluding you've either failed to fully read and evaluate what I stated or you're projecting a personal bias.

    I use zone. If I foul a pitch off, its because I failed in some combination of putting the PCI on the ball and/or being late/early. I'm fully aware that Good timing on inside or outside pitches doesn't equate to Good timing.

    My initial comments, to which you originally responded, were generally stated assuming a pitch down the middle of the plate. I take responsibility and apologize for not making that generality clear. But now that it has, I reiterate my statement that you are more likely to have a successful outcome being early or late than you are being on time. This was prevalent in 2016 and while it has improved in 2017, it still exists.

    Unless you have evidence that the feedback produces random output, then I'm going to maintain my belief that it is deterministic. As such, the displayed PCI placement and timing provide valuable feedback. It is the digital version of the feedback that I would have should I be standing in the box and observant to the physical cues in my swing. Feedback doesn't give me something else to stress over. It gives me information to make an adjustment.

    I don't use the guess pitch mechanism, but I do sit on pitches when patterns emerge. It is foolish not to do so.

    As I previously stated, I have everything turned off except the PCI, which I occasionally turn off, and the feedback. I agree that turning everything else off as being beneficial. I've done extensive evaluation with the PCI turned off, but failed to see any additional benefit. I only continue to occasionally turn the PCI off because it so often touted as the path to hitting enlightenment on these boards and I question that I might be missing something. But I've grown fairly confident that PCI off doesn't produce anything more than an elitist attitude, but again I remain open to being enlightened.

    Finally, being that, according to the leader boards, many of the best players of this game have the PCI on and make use of the feedback, I find your statement that those who use these mechanisms will always be behind those who don't to be baseless and a complete fallacy.

    Comment

    • HighCmpPct
      Denny 3K
      • Oct 2011
      • 3589

      #47
      Re: The hitting in this game is off...

      I never said anything about turning the PCI off, I agree with you that with zone it makes no difference whether it is in or off.

      I'm not balanced to either hitting system either, I prefer Directional because it depends more on ratings than user skill which places more emphasis on building a better team to become successful.

      Back to the original point, okay you should easily be able to tell whether you were late, early etc... on the pitch. If you cannot then there are bigger problems, however based on your posts I'm assuming you have a fairly good knowledge of the sport and therefore believe you should have, no problem doing so. Now going with your statement that you play with PCI on then you know where your PCI was anyway, what do you need the feedback screen to tell you that for?

      Results scream way more about what happened in the swing than the feedback screen does. Especially since it's not exactly always spot on correct anyway. But I come on we know baseball, popped it up? You got under it. Hit itt in the dirt? You got on top of it. Low screaming line drive? You got on top of it but got enough of the ball to drive it.

      I guess personally (which is what all these options come down to anyway) is whether I use zone, directional, or analog it is simply very easy to tell what happened without the feedback.

      And on a slightly different subject you should really have it off when pitching off you want more realism.

      I will agree with you that it's usefulness can be debated with batting, but after all my years in the mound no one will ever convince me that having that feedback screen when on the mound is fair or realistic.

      Join us in the 3K Gaming Discord for the best Sim Sports Setups!!
      3K Gaming Discord

      Link to my YouTube.
      Denny 3K Gaming

      Comment

      • Nolove626
        Banned
        • Nov 2012
        • 150

        #48
        Re: The hitting in this game is off...

        Maybe i am getting old. I am finding my problem is I am having trouble identifying the pitch out of the pitchers hand. There's not enough variance from fastball to slider if the guys is throwing 98 with the fb and 86-87 with the slider. By the time you recognize the pitch is to late. I can combat this by intently focusing on his deliver and I can at least determine if it is a FB or slider. The problem is I am I have to commit to swinging without indentidying location, which means if they throw it out of he zone my timing doesn't mean crap. I did about 1 hour of batting practice against carter Capps last night and was timing pitches well but was swinging and missing on a lot of throws that should have been balls. This is because I have to focus to hard on my timing to establish if it is a strike or ball. I switched instead tried to focus only on good pitches but was late anytime it was a fastball 96 or higher..... I am definitely getting carved up by pitchers thus far since release lol

        Sorry for any spelling errors, typing from my phone

        Comment

        • feztonio
          Rookie
          • Jan 2014
          • 24

          #49
          Re: The hitting in this game is off...

          I'd be okay missing a perfectly timed and zoned up pitch if the computer did it at the same rate. the biggest gripe I have is that the computer AI players aren't bound by the same laws of physics, percentages and limitations that I - the live player - seems to be. even the most terrible rated AI hitters can all lay off pitches a fraction of a hair off the black as if they were ted williams. the AI seems to be much more able to square up a fastball up and in, then on the next pitch down and away off-speed they can still square that one up too. their pitchers always throw over as I'm taking one step lead so i get caught in the animation and picked off, and catchers with meh arms can throw out my billy hamilton type by a mile even if he had a great jump.

          there seems to be a built-in advantage for AI that really stinks sometimes

          Comment

          • HighCmpPct
            Denny 3K
            • Oct 2011
            • 3589

            #50
            Re: The hitting in this game is off...

            Originally posted by feztonio
            I'd be okay missing a perfectly timed and zoned up pitch if the computer did it at the same rate. the biggest gripe I have is that the computer AI players aren't bound by the same laws of physics, percentages and limitations that I - the live player - seems to be. even the most terrible rated AI hitters can all lay off pitches a fraction of a hair off the black as if they were ted williams. the AI seems to be much more able to square up a fastball up and in, then on the next pitch down and away off-speed they can still square that one up too. their pitchers always throw over as I'm taking one step lead so i get caught in the animation and picked off, and catchers with meh arms can throw out my billy hamilton type by a mile even if he had a great jump.

            there seems to be a built-in advantage for AI that really stinks sometimes
            Honestly starting last year the CPU actually chases at a fairly realistic amount, especially this year. If you want to test this grab a knuckleballer and play on say The Show 14/15 and then grab a knuckler and play this year. The reason it seems they don't chase as much as us is the user tends to chase more because we're replicating us but the CPU is replicating a MLB hitter.

            Trust me if you work the batters correctly, set-up your pitches, and keep your pitch confidence up you'll get all that you're looking for. I know it can be frustrating at times but it's like that irl too. Just look at the Tigers/White Sox game. He usually aggresive Tigers laid off almost everything out of the zone Quintana threw and he's a semi-ace type pitcher.

            Now if you start getting above all-star level there can be some iffy moments. But there is only so much you can do to make a CPU AI difficult without tipping the scales. I mean there's no subsstitute for a human brain.

            And yeah you're probably not getting a lead off of first, at least not with a slider set-up that will get you realistic caught stealing numbers. However you don't need a lead from first to steal so it's not really a big deal. There should be no problem leading off second.

            Also kinda off your point but just wanted to mention that the CPU is fouling pitches back to the backstop at a way higher rate this year than ever before thank you SDS!
            Last edited by HighCmpPct; 04-05-2017, 04:26 PM.

            Join us in the 3K Gaming Discord for the best Sim Sports Setups!!
            3K Gaming Discord

            Link to my YouTube.
            Denny 3K Gaming

            Comment

            • SuicideSqueeze
              Rookie
              • May 2016
              • 144

              #51
              Re: The hitting in this game is off...

              @NoLove

              I am definitely finding sliders much more difficult to hit this year. Maybe it is better location on the low-and-aways this year.

              Comment

              • southpaw23eagle
                Just started!
                • Apr 2017
                • 3

                #52
                Re: The hitting in this game is off...

                Hey all - my experience so far, I love how the RTTS batting is more realistic, you have hot streaks and slumps, and my career average is in the .290s. I love it.

                However,
                My power #'s are in the low 80s, and I've started my 2nd season and have gone 100 at bats with 0 home runs, and 1 xbh while hitting .310

                Is this just best remedied by sliders, or is there something more to this. I've found this is much, much different than previous shows.

                -FNG

                Comment

                • HighCmpPct
                  Denny 3K
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 3589

                  #53
                  Re: The hitting in this game is off...

                  Originally posted by southpaw23eagle
                  Hey all - my experience so far, I love how the RTTS batting is more realistic, you have hot streaks and slumps, and my career average is in the .290s. I love it.

                  However,
                  My power #'s are in the low 80s, and I've started my 2nd season and have gone 100 at bats with 0 home runs, and 1 xbh while hitting .310

                  Is this just best remedied by sliders, or is there something more to this. I've found this is much, much different than previous shows.

                  -FNG
                  How many did you hit the first year? Also what are your power sliders at? Honestly actually sounds pretty cool that despite ratings you're having differing seasons. It does happen, not saying it should happen a lot but.

                  Seeing as you're still hitting very well I'd just keep on and see what happens hell you might hit 15 or 20 in your next 100 ABs.

                  Join us in the 3K Gaming Discord for the best Sim Sports Setups!!
                  3K Gaming Discord

                  Link to my YouTube.
                  Denny 3K Gaming

                  Comment

                  • southpaw23eagle
                    Just started!
                    • Apr 2017
                    • 3

                    #54
                    Re: The hitting in this game is off...

                    Originally posted by HighCmpPct
                    How many did you hit the first year? Also what are your power sliders at? Honestly actually sounds pretty cool that despite ratings you're having differing seasons. It does happen, not saying it should happen a lot but.

                    Seeing as you're still hitting very well I'd just keep on and see what happens hell you might hit 15 or 20 in your next 100 ABs.
                    I haven't touched the sliders yet - I had ~ 25 or so between AA-AAA-MLB.

                    It's almost like the game is "doing it" because some balls I time up and put a good swing on, and get the no-doubt trajectory, only to be caught at the track. Or I'll launch one and it'll hook foul, but when it is in play seeing eye singles and the only double I've had is a stretched single lol.

                    Interesting to say the least.

                    Comment

                    • Sayheykid01
                      Rookie
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 114

                      #55
                      Re: The hitting in this game is off...

                      Originally posted by Nolove626
                      Maybe i am getting old. I am finding my problem is I am having trouble identifying the pitch out of the pitchers hand. There's not enough variance from fastball to slider if the guys is throwing 98 with the fb and 86-87 with the slider. By the time you recognize the pitch is to late. I can combat this by intently focusing on his deliver and I can at least determine if it is a FB or slider. The problem is I am I have to commit to swinging without indentidying location, which means if they throw it out of he zone my timing doesn't mean crap. I did about 1 hour of batting practice against carter Capps last night and was timing pitches well but was swinging and missing on a lot of throws that should have been balls. This is because I have to focus to hard on my timing to establish if it is a strike or ball. I switched instead tried to focus only on good pitches but was late anytime it was a fastball 96 or higher..... I am definitely getting carved up by pitchers thus far since release lol

                      Sorry for any spelling errors, typing from my phone

                      Not sure if you're using zone hitting or not, but if you are just anticipate fastballs inside. Every time the pitcher releases in this game I'm assuming it's inside heat, if it's not I adjust toward the outside of the plate because I want to be later on those pitches anyway.

                      Unlike real life, you don't have to worry about your hips/shoulder opening too early so you can look fastball in and adjust accordingly. Not trying to give any sort of lesson or anything, but it's helped me be able to hit that low and outside slider that used to be a huge problem.

                      Nothing wrong with getting jammed every once in a while either, good hitters get jammed.

                      Comment

                      • southpaw23eagle
                        Just started!
                        • Apr 2017
                        • 3

                        #56
                        Re: The hitting in this game is off...

                        Originally posted by Sayheykid01
                        Not sure if you're using zone hitting or not, but if you are just anticipate fastballs inside. Every time the pitcher releases in this game I'm assuming it's inside heat, if it's not I adjust toward the outside of the plate because I want to be later on those pitches anyway.

                        Unlike real life, you don't have to worry about your hips/shoulder opening too early so you can look fastball in and adjust accordingly. Not trying to give any sort of lesson or anything, but it's helped me be able to hit that low and outside slider that used to be a huge problem.

                        Nothing wrong with getting jammed every once in a while either, good hitters get jammed.
                        Inside-out approach.. someone played the game :wink:

                        Comment

                        • HighCmpPct
                          Denny 3K
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 3589

                          #57
                          Re: The hitting in this game is off...

                          Originally posted by southpaw23eagle
                          I haven't touched the sliders yet - I had ~ 25 or so between AA-AAA-MLB.

                          It's almost like the game is "doing it" because some balls I time up and put a good swing on, and get the no-doubt trajectory, only to be caught at the track. Or I'll launch one and it'll hook foul, but when it is in play seeing eye singles and the only double I've had is a stretched single lol.

                          Interesting to say the least.
                          For me personally while I could see how it could be kinda frustrating, after playing this game for years I would be enjoying the hell out of that kinda variety.

                          Honestly I think you might've just detailed the most interesting rtts stats/player I've seen on this site lol. But if it's bothering you you could just bump Human power up a click, but again personally I'd stick with it and see how interesting it becomes.

                          Maybe you hit .300 this year with 10 or so dingers, then come back next season and hit .270 with 40 of 'em who knows?

                          Join us in the 3K Gaming Discord for the best Sim Sports Setups!!
                          3K Gaming Discord

                          Link to my YouTube.
                          Denny 3K Gaming

                          Comment

                          • Nolove626
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 150

                            #58
                            Re: The hitting in this game is off...

                            Originally posted by Sayheykid01
                            Not sure if you're using zone hitting or not, but if you are just anticipate fastballs inside. Every time the pitcher releases in this game I'm assuming it's inside heat, if it's not I adjust toward the outside of the plate because I want to be later on those pitches anyway.

                            Unlike real life, you don't have to worry about your hips/shoulder opening too early so you can look fastball in and adjust accordingly. Not trying to give any sort of lesson or anything, but it's helped me be able to hit that low and outside slider that used to be a huge problem.

                            Nothing wrong with getting jammed every once in a while either, good hitters get jammed.
                            Thanks man but I am strictly directional. I think I need to find a camera that works. Currently using show 16'. Every other camera feels to close or two far away

                            Comment

                            • bronxbombers21325
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2012
                              • 3058

                              #59
                              Re: The hitting in this game is off...

                              I think the hitting in this years game is the best it's ever been. Just my opinion.

                              Comment

                              • SolidSnake07
                                Pro
                                • Sep 2006
                                • 546

                                #60
                                Re: The hitting in this game is off...

                                Well I don't want too much realism if it gets in the way of fun. Getting a pitch in the middle of the plate only to hit a weak pop fly with Freddie Freeman is not fun.

                                Comment

                                Working...