CPU suicide squeezes in late innings

[stretch150]

Re: CPU suicide squeezes in late innings

That will result in a 475ft+ bomb in this year's Show..

Be careful guys, if you call a pitchout and your are auto fielding. The catcher applies the tag but runner is called safe. I've reported this. This happened 2 different times in different stadiums. If you throw a ball without calling a pitchout the catcher will apply tag and they call him out. Only on pitch-outs with auto fielding. I lost 2 games because of this bug.


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[comebackkid]

Re: CPU suicide squeezes in late innings

This has happened to me 7 times already. You name it, they always square up a perfect bunt, and if I pitch out the catcher doesn't do anything. He just stays there standing up.

I thought this was going to get resolved this year. I have tried everything, including running down the line and tag the runner but the catcher just doesn't move. I've tried pitching up and in and the batter still makes a perfect bunt, I've put the corners on bunt defense but the fielders don't react fast enough and take A WHILE to actually throw the ball. Happens with two outs as well and two strikes. This is just so annoying. If the CPU has a runner on third they either win or tie.

[G3no_11]

Re: CPU suicide squeezes in late innings

I'm not sure how difficult this would be to program but maybe a solution could be to only have CPU hitters above say.. 50 bunt rating? attempt a bunt at all. Then at least it would eliminate having sluggers trying it.

I thought I read something that said only a certain fielding rating would unlock advanced fielding animations in last year's game so it's a similar concept. Seems they took that out this year however.

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[comebackkid]

Re: CPU suicide squeezes in late innings

thinking about it, i dont think i have tried a pitch out. i guess i will have to attempt that when/if the next time comes around.

It doesn't work with me. If I pitch out and try to tag the runner, the catcher just doesn't move and stays there just standing up.

[ckarlic]

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It doesn't work with me. If I pitch out and try to tag the runner, the catcher just doesn't move and stays there just standing up.

That sucks. The suicide bunt squeeze happened to me as well and I have lost 3 games the same way. The last time it happened, It was the bottom of the 9th and the CPU had a runner on 3rd with 1 out so I decided to intentionally walk the next 2 batters to set up a double play and a set up a force at any base and they had their power hitter up ( I think it was Chris Davis) and he drops a perfect bunt on the 1st pitch and the O's won the game.

Next time I will try a pitchout on the first pitch but I hate to start the at bat 1-0, especially with their power hitter up and bases loaded.

[WarEagle1212]

Re: CPU suicide squeezes in late innings

it happens almost every single time the CPU has a chance to win the game. you can set up your defence to try and defend it, but the animations for some reason just never work in your favor to get the runner stealing home. by the time you get the ball to home plate the guy has already sled and scored.

because it is a suicide squeeze, the runner on 3rd breaks just as the pitcher is about to deliver to home plate so by the time it gets to the bat the runner is already 3/4 of the way home. so its almost impossible to stop it, in game that is.

I play on meter pitching and have gotten around this to some degree by watching the runner. He will break for home before its time to click the meter to stop on the yellow line so if he breaks for home I just don't click the meter to stop. My pitcher will throw a terrible, un-buntable pitch, usually the catcher will block it and get up in time to tag the runner out stealing home. In past years I would say its worked 90% of the time for me. Its definitely cheating the system but no more than the CPU is cheating the system. I had a situation once where CPU had bases loaded and 0 outs in a tie game. I got back to back outs like this on attempted squeezes and then a ground out to get out of the inning and won the game the next inning. Stupid CPU should swing away

[jmel07]

Re: CPU suicide squeezes in late innings

If my back of the envelope math is right....

159 times last year. Or what amounts to "once per day", right? 162 games? 159 attempts?

So there's about a 6ish percent chance I should see one each day for/against my team. That amounts to around 10 per year.

So I'd expect to maybe see it once per month against me.

I didn't see it when playing last year, but I didn't play a ton. This year I'm 16 games into my season, around April 20th on my calendar and I just saw it last night for the first time.

If I saw 3 or 4 more in the next 10 days, I'd be worried, but so far it hasn't been a ton.

I realize that the safety squeeze is used more often than the suicide squeeze. I also realize you might not think Stanton should perform it, but when you need a win, and you think it's a 85% chance he can put the bat on the ball with a bunt, I'd probably try it. Again, I'd much prefer the safety squeeze but that's probably also harder to code.

Is anyone else keeping track of how often you see it over the course of a season or franchise?

[stealyerface]

Re: CPU suicide squeezes in late innings

I believe that the window of the dice-roll algorithm should be lowered to only be a successful dice roll if the batter has a bunting ability over a certain threshold, and the runner has a speed/steal ability threshold over a certain number.

So the Squeeze attempt would be based on:

SA= BBA>75+RSA>80*factor/situation/score

I would like to be able to say to myself, "Okay, Gardner is on third, the score is tied, and Ellsbury is at the plate. I have a quick baserunner, and a good bunter, and there is a high probability that I may need to plan accordingly for this type of situation."

Conversely, if I have Sandoval on third, and Mitch Moreland at the plate, as a pitcher, I would not be protecting, nor would I be even remotely concerned about a below-average bunter, and a Minus-Minus runner (speed 12) trying to squeeze a run on me.

I love that the CPU has the logic built in there to recognize a potential offense play, but there needs to be some tightening up of the possibility of the play actually happening, as well as the success rate.

Calling a pitch-out in an attempt to thwart this play, and having the catcher take the throw, and then stand idly at the plate while the runner slides in, is frustrating.

That's why I don't feel especially bad when I purposely get to a full count, and send the pick off throw to first, as the runner will be stealing on the full count. I can still erase a base threat with this move, and that should be addressed as well..

~syf

[Goose26]

Re: CPU suicide squeezes in late innings

If my back of the envelope math is right....

159 times last year. Or what amounts to "once per day", right? 162 games? 159 attempts?

So there's about a 6ish percent chance I should see one each day for/against my team. That amounts to around 10 per year.

So I'd expect to maybe see it once per month against me.

I didn't see it when playing last year, but I didn't play a ton. This year I'm 16 games into my season, around April 20th on my calendar and I just saw it last night for the first time.

If I saw 3 or 4 more in the next 10 days, I'd be worried, but so far it hasn't been a ton.

I realize that the safety squeeze is used more often than the suicide squeeze. I also realize you might not think Stanton should perform it, but when you need a win, and you think it's a 85% chance he can put the bat on the ball with a bunt, I'd probably try it. Again, I'd much prefer the safety squeeze but that's probably also harder to code.

Is anyone else keeping track of how often you see it over the course of a season or franchise?

Just about to start a new thread until I saw this...

I'm at the end of April and the Yankees just used the suicide squeeze in the 9th inning for the 3rd game in a row. 5th overall, and that's only the end of April.

I've actually resorted to pausing the game, switching teams, and stopping the runner between 3rd and home. I hate doing it, but it's better that than throwing my controller at the TV.

I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE!!!

[nomo17k]

Re: CPU suicide squeezes in late innings

CPU resorting to squeeze (or bunt) in tight situation in late/extra innings... It's been this way for way too long I think. I've seen a guy like Pujols attempt suicide squeeze in those situations. I wonder why this kind of issue does not get more attention for improvement.

[stealyerface]

Re: CPU suicide squeezes in late innings

How about a bases loaded, suicide squeeze in the 8th, by the Yankees?

I threw it to third like a numbskull because I was just pushing the stick, instead of pulling it towards home to try and get him to tag the runner.

But a bases-loaded squeeze??

I think not.
~syf

[JayD]

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2 games in a row vs the Mets; A successful suicide squeeze to tie up the game in late innings. These are impossible to stop!

[Padgoi]

Re: CPU suicide squeezes in late innings

CPU resorting to squeeze (or bunt) in tight situation in late/extra innings... It's been this way for way too long I think. I've seen a guy like Pujols attempt suicide squeeze in those situations. I wonder why this kind of issue does not get more attention for improvement.

Probably because the way they coded the game makes it very difficult to figure out a way to efficiently fix. They seem to have coded the game in such a way whereby the CPU calculates it's odds of scoring play-by-play. The CPU realizes that the squeeze bunt is a high percentage play so they try it . . . a lot.

[jmcole33]

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I think this has been said before - but whenever I notice the CPU is attempting a suicide squeeze, I stop the meter way before being close to the yellow line. My pitcher usually throws the ball head high, missing the bat, and my catcher tags out the runner.

It doesn't stop the rate at which it happens, but it drastically decreases it's success rate and my impending rage.