No save? Come on.

[335TDC]

Re: No save? Come on.

People, chill the hell out. You're like the "hardcore" vs. "casual" battle in MMA fandom...sheesh.

I thought that there needed to be a 3 run or fewer lead -- don't know why, just something I picked up somewhere years ago. So MY BAD.

Now calm down, Ye Purists.

[Chunky_Cracker]

Re: No save? Come on.

I've gotten a four-inning "save" when up by 10 runs

Come on man...if you're going to complain about something at least know the rules regarding what you're complaining about.

[BA2929]

Re: No save? Come on.

I've gotten a four-inning "save" when up by 10 runs

A team could be up 50-0, and as long as the same pitcher (who isn't the starter) throws the last 3 innings they are awarded a save.

[RLB]

Re: No save? Come on.

And if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does.

I actually had nothing else to tell you about the save rule that hasn't already been covered.

[pjburrage]

Re: No save? Come on.

Though that 3 innings Save doesn't appear to be credited for Missions despite showing as such in the End of Game Stat Summary.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: No save? Come on.

People, chill the hell out. You're like the "hardcore" vs. "casual" battle in MMA fandom...sheesh.

I thought that there needed to be a 3 run or fewer lead -- don't know why, just something I picked up somewhere years ago. So MY BAD.

Now calm down, Ye Purists.

Relax it has nothing to do with being a purist.

Just knowledge of the rules of the game.


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[335TDC]

Re: No save? Come on.

A team could be up 50-0, and as long as the same pitcher (who isn't the starter) throws the last 3 innings they are awarded a save.

Yes, this has already been established earlier in the thread, right? So, just had to chime in...?

[335TDC]

Re: No save? Come on.

Relax it has nothing to do with bring a purist.

Just knowledge of the rules of the game.


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Nope, respectfully. Maybe a bad analogy but the reaction was juuuust a bit outside.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: No save? Come on.

Nope, respectfully. Maybe a bad analogy but the reaction was juuuust a bit outside.

Ha ha....a classic line indeed.

[Speedy]

Re: No save? Come on.

Saves are antiquated anyway. The future of the MLB is to use guys like Diaz in high leverage situations, whether it be the 7th or 9th. Whip and K/BB are King


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That's right.

Bring back the true firemen!

[ninertravel]

Re: No save? Come on.

I posted about this yesterday, in a 6-6 game I got to the lead 7-6 in the top of the 10th, Holland had 3 Ks in the bottom of the 10 with held on for a 7-6 win, Lyle's got the win but they didn't give Holland the save.

[Speedy]

Re: No save? Come on.

People, chill the hell out. You're like the "hardcore" vs. "casual" battle in MMA fandom...sheesh.

I thought that there needed to be a 3 run or fewer lead -- don't know why, just something I picked up somewhere years ago. So MY BAD.

Now calm down, Ye Purists.

You telling me to calm down?

Do you not know who I am?

[ninertravel]

Re: No save? Come on.

having read the original post again, and my situation the other day, we both had struck out the side.. perhaps the bug is if your closer strikes out the side, you don't get credited a save or something.

off topic Saves and Wins and losses stats are a joke BTW, they are the worst stat in baseball ever!! a closer can blow a 4-0 lead and get a win for it because the offence saves him by walking off after he screws the lead up and can screw a starter out of a win. I HATE the win loss save

and to further that, MLB the show seems to think wins and losses mean something when the commentators talk, also it's a big part and the all star voting you notice lots of guys having more wins get more votes, and I kid you not hot and cold streaks look at that closely in the game I see guys with ERA of 2 who are 0-4 get classed as being in a cold streak, and a pitcher who has a ERA over 4 who is 3-1 as a hot streak.

wins and loss stat is a useless stat and should be banned along with the save stat its all for the stupid fantasy players

[Blzer]

Re: No save? Come on.

There is nothing wrong the stat. Every statistic has merit if calculated correctly and if showing what it's indicated to. This includes quality starts.

The problem is the inferences of these stats. Managers intentionally put in closers in save situations; it happened on Opening Day this year. That's their money maker right now. Again, inferences. Not the stats themselves.

Someone else mentioned that the future is putting them in the most important part of the game. I don't know why that's not the present. If you have the 3-4-5 hitters coming up in the 8th inning and are all RH, then 6-7-8 due up in the 9th and are all LH, managers will still put in their LHP setup man in the 8th and the RHP closer in the 9th because "that's baseball." Ridiculous.

As for the OP, I don't understand why Diaz did not receive a save in that situation.

[kehlis]

Re: No save? Come on.

There is nothing wrong the stat. Every statistic has merit if calculated correctly and if showing what it's indicated to. This includes quality starts.

The problem is the inferences of these stats. Managers intentionally put in closers in save situations; it happened on Opening Day this year. That's their money maker right now. Again, inferences. Not the stats themselves.

Someone else mentioned that the future is putting them in the most important part of the game. I don't know why that's not the present. If you have the 3-4-5 hitters coming up in the 8th inning and are all RH, then 6-7-8 due up in the 9th and are all LH, managers will still put in their LHP setup man in the 8th and the RHP closer in the 9th because "that's baseball." Ridiculous.

As for the OP, I don't understand why Diaz did not receive a save in that situation.

You're basically admitting that you agree the stat is a problem.

Do you think manager's would be putting in their "closer" in those situation if the save stat didn't exist?