Bunting in 17 is ATROCIOUS

**actionhank** · 04-17-2017, 04:53 PM

Re: Bunting in 17 is ATROCIOUS

I wasn't sure if I was doing something wrong, or what.

I don't think I've had a successful bunt yet. I've tried drag bunts and just normal sacrifice bunts, and then all seem to have some pretty high power heading out towards the infield.

I did have an accidental slap bunt when I barely made contact that went almost straight down and bounced over the pitcher. That was cool.

**Pigpen44** · 04-17-2017, 07:22 PM

Re: Bunting in 17 is ATROCIOUS

I hate to gripe too much about a video game (especially one that I enjoy so much) but bunting is a little ridiculous. Most of the time my hit speed on bunts is between 54 and 59 mph. I have guys in the minors who probably can't get that hit speed with a full hack. Lol

I do not want to hijack this post but is there a way to put in the wheel play or just have the shortstop cover 3rd on bunts in this game?

**bcruise** · 04-18-2017, 01:53 AM

Re: Bunting in 17 is ATROCIOUS

Question for the guys who can't get a bunt down period - are you sacrifice bunting? That is, squaring before the pitcher's release. When I sacrifice, I square as soon as the pitcher starts his windup. It's a different animation from dragging, which is done after the ball leaves the pitcher's hand.

As I mentioned in another thread, I have seen the line drive bunts on occasion. But usually (when playing vs CPU, at least) I'm able to get the bunt down to where the CPU will take the easy play at first. I've played several games now where I've been able to get multiple sacrifices down with SP's, and the success rate has been good enough for me to do it when the situation allows.

Now...if I was playing online things would be different. The CPU is pretty safe when it comes to defending this play except when it's a hard bunt, and will usually take the play at first. Most online players will recognize that they can still get the lead out and fire toward 2nd, and they'll usually get an out. My success rate head to head is much, much lower.

**bcruise** · 04-18-2017, 01:08 PM

Re: Bunting in 17 is ATROCIOUS

To go one step further than saying what I just did:

Spoiler

The setup here is that I quick managed up to an obvious sac situation, did an in-game save/exit, then reloaded the save each time, making sure to close The Show completely after each attempt (otherwise it would auto-save and erase the in-game save)

As I've said, I have seen the line drive bunts. But not nearly as prevalent as others have claimed to. My success rate is just fine. And, whether you choose to believe me or not, this was six straight attempts - the only reason I had to make different clips was because the recording cuts when I close back to the PS4 main.

I feel like this problem (like several others in this game), is being over-exaggerated by the community. I don't doubt that people are having problems with it, but I think there might be some user error involved here.

**sdatkins** · 04-18-2017, 01:19 PM

Re: Bunting in 17 is ATROCIOUS

Originally posted by bcruise

To go one step further than saying what I just did:

Spoiler

The setup here is that I quick managed up to an obvious sac situation, did an in-game save/exit, then reloaded the save each time, making sure to close The Show completely after each attempt (otherwise it would auto-save and erase the in-game save)

As I've said, I have seen the line drive bunts. But not nearly as prevalent as others have claimed to. My success rate is just fine. And, whether you choose to believe me or not, this was six straight attempts - the only reason I had to make different clips was because the recording cuts when I close back to the PS4 main.

I feel like this problem (like several others in this game), is being over-exaggerated by the community. I don't doubt that people are having problems with it, but I think there might be some user error involved here.

I don't think it is exaggerated. Maybe Lackey bunts better because of his very low power/contact rating? I have only bunted with position players. Players that should be able to bunt (Escobar and Mondesi for the Royals). Escobar is a decent bunter and Mondesi is a very good bunter in real life. Any time I bunt with either it is a one hopper right to a 3rd or 1st baseman. I think I have had one bunt go hard to the 2nd basemen. Luckily, the computer is super conservative and has just gone to 1st each time, but they could have easily had the out at 2nd. Luckily I don't bunt much in the AL, but the bunting has been pretty bad so far from the 5 or so I have done.

**Br0nxB0mber28** · 04-19-2017, 01:13 AM

Re: Bunting in 17 is ATROCIOUS

Originally posted by bcruise

To go one step further than saying what I just did:

The setup here is that I quick managed up to an obvious sac situation, did an in-game save/exit, then reloaded the save each time, making sure to close The Show completely after each attempt (otherwise it would auto-save and erase the in-game save)

As I've said, I have seen the line drive bunts. But not nearly as prevalent as others have claimed to. My success rate is just fine. And, whether you choose to believe me or not, this was six straight attempts - the only reason I had to make different clips was because the recording cuts when I close back to the PS4 main.

I feel like this problem (like several others in this game), is being over-exaggerated by the community. I don't doubt that people are having problems with it, but I think there might be some user error involved here.

every one of those bunts in your vids was hit way too hard except for the 2nd last or 3rd last one that went straight to the pitcher.

**parky_17** · 04-19-2017, 01:46 AM

Re: Bunting in 17 is ATROCIOUS

Originally posted by bcruise

To go one step further than saying what I just did:

Spoiler

The setup here is that I quick managed up to an obvious sac situation, did an in-game save/exit, then reloaded the save each time, making sure to close The Show completely after each attempt (otherwise it would auto-save and erase the in-game save)

As I've said, I have seen the line drive bunts. But not nearly as prevalent as others have claimed to. My success rate is just fine. And, whether you choose to believe me or not, this was six straight attempts - the only reason I had to make different clips was because the recording cuts when I close back to the PS4 main.

I feel like this problem (like several others in this game), is being over-exaggerated by the community. I don't doubt that people are having problems with it, but I think there might be some user error involved here.

I watched all those clips and the only good bunt was the one that went back to the pitcher
And when you say that the people that are having trouble with bunting could because of user error, I don't see how that can be the case when all you have to do is hold down triangle to bunt

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**bcruise** · 04-19-2017, 01:50 AM

Re: Bunting in 17 is ATROCIOUS

Originally posted by Br0nxB0mber28

every one of those bunts in your vids was hit way too hard except for the 2nd last or 3rd last one that went straight to the pitcher.

I'd argue that they weren't "way too hard" because they worked. All of them. The AI plays this safe and goes to 1st unless it's bunted like a missile. They all accomplish my goal - moving the runner to 2nd. That's why I don't understand why people are having such difficulty sac bunting vs. the CPU.

I said online is a different animal - I get that. The out can be made there at 2nd on most of those if an aggressive user wants to make the play. Nor was I talking about drag bunting, which I do tend to agree is overly difficult even with good drag bunters. Different issues - that's why there are two different bunt ratings.

I was only talking about sacrificing (and more specifically, vs the CPU) because as an NL player, it's a big part of the game for me. It baffles me how people are having trouble with it.

**bcruise** · 04-19-2017, 02:00 AM

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Originally posted by parky_17

I watched all those clips and the only good bunt was the one that went back to the pitcher
And when you say that the people that are having trouble with bunting could because of user error, I don't see how that can be the case when all you have to do is hold down triangle to bunt

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Bunting at pitches on corners (I'm guilty of this one too, sometimes I pay for it with a popup)

Bunting at pitches out of the strike zone

Squaring too late and getting a drag bunt animation instead of a sacrifice one (the window is smaller than you think if you square on the pitcher's first movement, especially from the stretch).

Maybe even squaring too early and allowing the corners to get too much of a running charge at the bunt, making for an easier throw. FWIW, the AI always squares as soon as the pitcher begins his motion, and I try to do the same.

All of those things could be user error. Bottom line is I don't know how you're playing, so I can't say what might be causing it.

**xandere313** · 04-19-2017, 02:18 AM

Re: Bunting in 17 is ATROCIOUS

At risk of sounding a bit like a jerk i have to ask how much baseball you watch. most actual sac bunts are like what bcruise vids show. Ideally you want it down the first base line, if the firstbaseman is a righty, hes not making a throw to second, and even if hes a lefty its not likely. yes you can play the game in a manner that allows you to get the lead runner, but thats not the default usually. Also you can adjust the bunt angle with the thumb stick if you really dont want it down the first base line.

**KnightTemplar** · 04-19-2017, 12:10 PM

Re: Bunting in 17 is ATROCIOUS

Originally posted by xandere313

At risk of sounding a bit like a jerk i have to ask how much baseball you watch. most actual sac bunts are like what bcruise vids show. Ideally you want it down the first base line, if the firstbaseman is a righty, hes not making a throw to second, and even if hes a lefty its not likely. yes you can play the game in a manner that allows you to get the lead runner, but thats not the default usually. Also you can adjust the bunt angle with the thumb stick if you really dont want it down the first base line.

The CPU also bunts these line drive one hoppers to the first baseman. Did it last year, does it this year. Doesn't matter much where I throw the ball. When I'm pitching I know what's going to happen.

**Jros22** · 04-19-2017, 12:19 PM

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We can't use sacrifice bunts to move the runners to scoring position or prevent double plays, they just bunt a laser to the corner for a double play. Not realistic at all, bunting last year was way better at least we could adjust the shifts to limit the success on defense but this year it's the other way around they just doesn't work and i'm just talking about sacrifices which are common in the MLB and basic bunts. 9 inning 0 outs 2 runners on and i tried to move the runners to scoring position with a sac bunt and it was a laser for a double play. (I'm talking about Online Matches)

**ryanmc564** · 04-19-2017, 12:42 PM

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Something is definitely off a bit with the speed of the ball coming off the bat, It almost seems like the average speed of ball being hit is at 107 mph, way to high. This is way so many people are hitting ridiculous far homeruns and bunting line drive, I swear I thought I saw it say the ball speed off of one my bunts was at 105 mph, that's not good.

Bunting in 17 is ATROCIOUS

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