MLB '16 & '17: An Experiment and Observation

[kac]

Re: MLB '16 & '17: An Experiment and Observation

I'm really enjoying 17 and couldn't go back to 16 the player models, graphics and ball physics are great improvements and I'm having different variety in games from blow outs to pitchers duals I'm also not hitting any monster homeruns there are some things I hoped are patched but I'm able to overlook them and enjoy the game.

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[countryboy]

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It wouldbe interesting to play 16 with roster moves reflecting the 2017 season and players ratings to match 17 Show. I wonder how long the vault will be up.

For what it's worth, I've played both '17 and '16 using the franchise/rosters that I started on '16. So when playing the ratings and all were the same. The only difference was the ball physics and player quirks.

And as I've said '16 plays better for me.


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[KnightTemplar]

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I think I've had enough.

Playing ATL tonight, had a 2-0 lead after 3.2 innings and the CPU brings in RP Eric OFlahery (who should be good for 1 inning) and he pitches 2.2 innings. There was asbolutely nada wrong with the CPUs SP at this point. Here again, the common denominator was a scoreless CPU (seems to be prevalent to this problem).

I had followed another gamers advice:

1) moved the LRP out of that slot to MRP
2) took the LRP and brought his stamina down to no more than 40

I use QC...and it ain't QC. There is something under the hood as it also does this when games are simmed.

Quality assurance.......fix game play issues FIRST before you add anything new to this game, geez.

[Ranger Fan]

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There is so much wrong with this game its ridiculous. Other then the graphics upgrade SCEA laid an egg with this. 16 is a way better representation of baseball. In my opinion once you get past the eye candy of 17 the game itself is terrible and full of glitches. I think Ramone and his staff fully realize the flawed product they produced which appears nothing was done whatsoever in the testing department. Lets just look and what we are playing with.

Online- What a joke. 100 dollars to play online and nothing works right

Manager hook- Even without Quick counts and with jacked up sliders starters are pulled after 5-6 innings regardless of how well they pitch

WP's- 5-6 a game almost guaranteed

Heck I am 20 games into a season and I looked at the league leaders and Brett Nicholas of my rangers is tied for fifth in the league with 5 saves. Awesome right!!! One problem he is my third string catcher.

Stop promoting this game as all that and produce this flawed product. I know people will say wait its only been a month since it came out. That simply isn't a excuse. Test your product before you put it on the shelf. 11 years of playing and this is the worse version so far. Graphics are pretty but gameplay is atrocious

[mrCPUgeek]

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I don't play online so bear that in mind. I have the game playing the way I want it right now. No way i could go back to 16

The CPU SP/Bullpen management issues are my biggest source of heartburn. Maybe I just worry less about issues than I did before but I'm thoroughly enjoying 17 and if they fix the CPU pitch management problems I'm set.


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I agree 100%. Really, the only issues I've seen is the Bullpen Management(but really, only slightly), and the balls in the dirt where the runner advances. To me, those just aren't that big of a deal. Do I want them fixed? Sure. Will it kill me if they are not? Nope.

I guess I should have offered a little more of an explanation to my comment. It is not that I am saying they should not be trusted. I just personally feel that this game has gone from a must buy day one pick up, to a wait and see. This is not just the fault of SDS but more the pattern that the majority of developers have seemed to follow. The rush release and patch later syndrome needs to change and the only way this will happen is to vote with our dollars. I have stopped pre ordering any games from just about every developer and the list is getting smaller every year.

One thing I remember about baseball games (in particular) in the past, I seem to remember them coming out at the beginning of spring training. Then a patch would come out close to when the season actually begun. Am I remembering correctly? The great thing would be that bugs that require a large amount of users to find could be better addressed before baseball really kicks up. Just food for thought.

Yeah I don't think the devs purposely made it more Arcade. I do think they tried to help make hitting easier and may have swung too far the other way.

One thing I have noticed: Now don't laugh, but in years past my skill usually would teeter between vet-allstar. Actually, with Dynamic Difficulty, Vet Plus would my best spot. But, I have noticed this year, I can play on All Star with no problems. So, I just wonder if some who see the game easier may just need to up their settings. Maybe they did water down the levels, but unless you play on the highest level, maybe going up one would help out. Again just food for thought.


One last thing. I know many of you are older, like myself, and remember games of the past. As great as those games were in their day, they do not hold a candle to what we currently have in The Show (any version). I could not imagine going back and playing Hard Ball or High Heat again. Two games I loved back in the day.

[countryboy]

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One thing I have noticed: Now don't laugh, but in years past my skill usually would teeter between vet-allstar. Actually, with Dynamic Difficulty, Vet Plus would my best spot. But, I have noticed this year, I can play on All Star with no problems. So, I just wonder if some who see the game easier may just need to up their settings. Maybe they did water down the levels, but unless you play on the highest level, maybe going up one would help out. Again just food for though.

I actually thought about jumping up to Legend for when I bat and seeing what that does for my experience. I'm not sure that it will change anything though, as I still just have this feeling that the balance of the game is off.

And I pitch on HOF default and I really don't want to drop down a level, because while the cpu hammers pitches on HOF, I am also able to get strikeouts. It seems to be feast or famine.

One last thing. I know many of you are older, like myself, and remember games of the past. As great as those games were in their day, not hold a candle to what we currently have in The Show (any version). I could not imagine going back and playing Hard Ball or High Heat again. Two games I loved back in the day.

I agree. Games back in the day do not hold a candle to the games that we are playing today. And I loved Hard Ball and High Heat as well. I loved Hardball III that had Al Michaels as the commentator.

And I do play the oldies from time to time. The other day I was playing Bases Loaded on the original NES.

[Bullit]

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I agree 100%. Really, the only issues I've seen is the Bullpen Management(but really, only slighly), and the balls in the dirt where the runner advances. To me, those just aren't that big of a deal. Do I want them fixed? Sure. Will it kill me if they are not? Nope.



One thing I remember about baseball game (in particular) in the past, I seem to remember them coming out at the beginning of spring training. Then a patch would come out close to when the season actually begun. Am I remembering correctly? The great thing would be that bugs that require a large amount of users to find could be better addressed before baseball really kicks up. Just food for thought.



One thing I have noticed: Now don't laugh, but in years past my skill usually would teeter between vet-allstar. Actually, with Dynamic Difficulty, Vet Plus would my best spot. But, I have noticed this year, I can play on All Star with no problems. So, I just wonder if some who see the game easier may just need to up their settings. Maybe they did water down the levels, but unless you play on the highest level, maybe going up one would help out. Again just food for though.


One last thing. I know many of you are older, like myself, and remember games of the past. As great as those games were in their day, not hold a candle to what we currently have in The Show (any version). I could not imagine going back and playing Hard Ball or High Heat again. Two games I loved back in the day.

I don't mean any disrespect but the two comments I bolded seem to be completely off track of the conversation.

The first comment I was referring to the general trend of developers releasing games early not just The Show and was clarifying an earlier comment that I had made.

The second comment we are talking about going back to last years game, not going back one or two generations of consoles? Comparing going back to '16 as going back to Hard Ball or High Heat, games I loved as well, is like comparing apples to baked potatoes?

I am just not following you here.

[KnightTemplar]

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One thing I remember about baseball games (in particular) in the past, I seem to remember them coming out at the beginning of spring training. Then a patch would come out close to when the season actually begun. Am I remembering correctly? The great thing would be that bugs that require a large amount of users to find could be better addressed before baseball really kicks up. Just food for thought.

You are absolutely right. First time I heard the game would now be released at the start of the season I thought to myself, well, that makes playing the spring training games an afterthought.

It is true that we are a huge QA group with this game, but you still have to scratch your head and some obvious things that were missed by their own QA and should question just what the heck they do.

As far as the original post, I just can't go back to '16. It had gotten really stale with me 14/15/16. I'm sort of a graphics whore and '17 really took a leap for me, and there are a ton of new hits compared to '16, but, as one poster said "it's a mess".

Just twiddle my thumbs and wait. Hope it's not into May.

[mrCPUgeek]

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I don't mean any disrespect but the two comments I bolded seem to be completely off track of the conversation.

The first comment I was referring to the general trend of developers releasing games early not just The Show and was clarifying an earlier comment that I had made.

The second comment we are talking about going back to last years game, not going back one or two generations of consoles? Comparing going back to '16 as going back to Hard Ball or High Heat, games I loved as well, is like comparing apples to baked potatoes?

I am just not following you here.

No disrespect. Just thoughts I had reading those post and figured I'd share. Sorry if you think I took the thread off track. That was not my intentions...

[Bullit]

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No disrespect. Just thoughts I had reading those post and figured I'd share. Sorry if you think I took the thread off track. That was not my intentions...

No worries. I just wasn't following your point and just did not want to miss something because I could not see where you were going. I have always enjoyed discussions with you and was just trying to figure it out.

[bcruise]

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I do still have '16 installed (just no reason to delete it for more space yet), but I just couldn't go back to it. Humanity AI (in terms of the throwing animations having the correct urgency) and the new hit physics are two things that make '17 a completely different game than '16. I just can't give those up. Not to mention the game itself running smoother than '16 (although that may be due more to me buying a Pro in the past year).

I believe this game will be unanimously the best playing game in the series once the gameplay patches start rolling out (it already is for me and a lot of others).

[MLB14]

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Yeah I don't think the devs purposely made it more Arcade. I do think they tried to help make hitting easier and may have swung too far the other way.

Couple that with new ball physics, player quirks, and effectiveness of wind, and I just feel that currently '17 is "out of balance".

I expect them to try and correct this via a patch. Whether they can or not remains to be seen.


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I'm starting to think they intentionally wanted the game the way it is because I don't think the dev team is that sloppy.

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[Chunky_Cracker]

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To be honest, other than the "hard changes" like the commentary, I don't see much difference at all between the two. If you put the games side by side and muted them, I'd have a hard time telling which is which.

That's not a knock, just my personal observation.

Sorry...but if that's true then you need your eyesight checked.

To me, Super Mega Baseball has a much better and more organic physics engine.

And there we have it...must be a troll.

[Bullit]

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Sorry...but if that's true then you need your eyesight checked.



And there we have it...must be a troll.

Since neither of your posts have anything to add to the conversation and are just insulting, what does that make you? In other words, if you are not adding anything to a conversation it would be advisable to stop.

[countryboy]

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I played 2 more games of '16 last night. Regular season franchise games. I really think this is where I'm going to stick for this year. I'll keep an eye on the patches for '17 when they drop and I'll try the game again after the patches to see how it feels, but honestly I'm thinking that I'm just going to roll with '16 for my baseball gaming.

'17 is a great game, but its not the game for me.