MLB '16 & '17: An Experiment and Observation

[bkrich83]

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I don't play online so bear that in mind. I have the game playing the way I want it right now. No way i could go back to 16

The CPU SP/Bullpen management issues are my biggest source of heartburn. Maybe I just worry less about issues than I did before but I'm thoroughly enjoying 17 and if they fix the CPU pitch management problems I'm set.


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[ML]

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As someone who, like most of you, spent hundreds of hours playing MLBTS16, I do think that the IDEA of MLBTS17 was a step in the right direction. I for one have been trying my best to keep an extremely positive mindset about the game, which helps me look past some of the little and not so little issues that come with this years version of the game. Unfortunately, to most (including myself at times) it is coming off as an extremely raw, and almost even rushed product (not even including the online half of this game).

I'd imagine that the super huge clean everything up patch will fine tune a lot of these issues that are occurring in the game, especially online play which is their cash cow.

I'm not quite sure what words to use, but it seems that next years version will most likely be an even finer tuned version of this years game. For obvious reasons in which this will literally NEVER happen, I for one would be a fan of a 2 year cycle, that way the product itself doesn't become "damaged goods", leaving a bad taste in veteran and new players all around as it already quickly has done.

[Caulfield]

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.... They have moved from trusted developer to the buyer beware category.

I'd have to see multiple years of the current kind before I go that far. its been a rough month (actually 3 weeks) for SIE but given their track record with the Show, I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[Bullit]

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I'd have to see multiple years of the current kind before I go that far. its been a rough month (actually 3 weeks) for SIE but given their track record with the Show, I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I guess I should have offered a little more of an explanation to my comment. It is not that I am saying they should not be trusted. I just personally feel that this game has gone from a must buy day one pick up, to a wait and see. This is not just the fault of SDS but more the pattern that the majority of developers have seemed to follow. The rush release and patch later syndrome needs to change and the only way this will happen is to vote with our dollars. I have stopped pre ordering any games from just about every developer and the list is getting smaller every year.

'16 is a great game, most of us think so. I still find it entertaining. If '17 gets fixed and turns out to be the game we think it could be, then I will be happy to go back to playing it. I am not returning '17, I do have hope and yes maybe still a little faith that it will be fixed. If this ends up being the case I will happily play until '18 comes out, but next year I will wait until it is fixed and patched before purchasing.

Again I do not hold SDS solely responsible for this decision to go back to last years game. But this has been a recurring pattern for the past year or so with a lot of companies. I had hoped that they were above this kind of release but obviously this has not been the case. It may seem as over reacting but I am tired of being burned and so other companies have to suffer for the faults of others.

[Steven78]

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I'd have to see multiple years of the current kind before I go that far. its been a rough month (actually 3 weeks) for SIE but given their track record with the Show, I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

It's been years. Last year was just as bad plus the whole fiasco where they banned players only to reinstate them a week later.

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[engrishbwudd]

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After taking some time away from this site, I'm legitimately surprised that so many people prefer '16 to '17. I didn't have a great time with '16, so it's really interesting to see.

[loganmorrison1]

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While I do agree with a lot of critical comments, I don't agree with the idea of making more arcade like to please that more marketable audience. Especially given the Dev teams track record. I feel as though new coding like human AI and ball physics had some unintentional less realistic results. I fully believe a patch is coming soon that will make things right


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[countryboy]

MLB '16 & '17: An Experiment and Observation

I just finished a game on '16 where I won 11-5. There were 22 combined hits. Not a single homerun was hit. I earned 7 walks.

I'm not sure this type of game is possible in '17 in its current state.


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[countryboy]

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While I do agree with a lot of critical comments, I don't agree with the idea of making more arcade like to please that more marketable audience. Especially given the Dev teams track record. I feel as though new coding like human AI and ball physics had some unintentional less realistic results. I fully believe a patch is coming soon that will make things right


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Yeah I don't think the devs purposely made it more Arcade. I do think they tried to help make hitting easier and may have swung too far the other way.

Couple that with new ball physics, player quirks, and effectiveness of wind, and I just feel that currently '17 is "out of balance".

I expect them to try and correct this via a patch. Whether they can or not remains to be seen.


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[Formula1Racing]

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I couldn't have said it any better then this.....Great Post!..Completely agree!

I needed to take some time and gather some thoughts on this subject. After talking to *clears throat* a friend and playing some '16, I think I have an idea of what I want to say.

First, I think MLB The Show '17 has the "potential" to be the epic game I thought it was going to be. However right now in my opinion it falls very short of being the game it should be. From Server issues, to various bugs and glitches, design decisions to changes in parts of base modes, for me this years game just comes across as a disjointed mess. Besides the server issue I do not think anything in the game is inherently broken, but I also don't think anything in this years game works well out of the box. Everything just seems off a little bit. It is just my opinion but I do feel that '17 falls very short in every single aspect of its content. Tying everything to online just seems like a very poor decision on my part as it has adversely affected every mode and not in a good way.

While I do not think that '16 is a better game. I do think given the current state of '17 that it is the more enjoyable of the two right now. It feels more 'organic' for lack of a better word. While it has its issues, as it seems nowadays all games do, it works for me and is a whole lot of fun. This is where '16 wins the argument for me.

When I load up '17 I find myself hoping that everything works and that the SP bug doesn't pop up or that the HR's dont get out of control, that I don't have stuttering or horrific load times because the game is trying to do whatever with the servers. When I load '16 I know I am just going to enjoy a game of baseball and that is what is important to me.

While I feel that a lot of this can be laid at SDS doorstep, I also don't feel playing the blame game is constructive. This is the game they wanted to develop, for better or worse we either have to live with it or make other choices with our gaming dollar. I personally think that it is only going to get worse for those of us that don't play the online card collecting modes and that the offline experience of franchise and RTTS are going to get pushed further and further back on the priority lists. I am also concerned that SDS studios has become victims of their own success and that they feel that they know better than the customer of what is wanted in the game. But it is their property do with as they will.

For the time being, unless '17 gets fixed, which in all honesty I don't think it will. I am going back to '16 and for the first time since I bought a Playstation for this game 10+ years ago, I am very disappointed in this game and it will certainly no longer be a day one pickup for me. They have moved from trusted developer to the buyer beware category.

[kiddlex]

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Yeah I don't think the devs purposely made it more Arcade. I do think they tried to help make hitting easier and may have swung too far the other way.

Couple that with new ball physics, player quirks, and effectiveness of wind, and I just feel that currently '17 is "out of balance".

I expect them to try and correct this via a patch. Whether they can or not remains to be seen.


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CB it's not too much offense, you're right when you say it's out of balance. I'm trying to enjoy the game. I started a new franchise with the the latest OSFM rosters, and in game 1 it's 0-0 in the 16th inning Royals at Minnesota HOF default, Zone and Classic with regular counts.

The games not baseball for me, it's off and I cant explain why. Even on hof I have zero fear of the CPU offense, unless it's one of those games where we are each going to hit multiple home runs. Everything is feast or famine. I can't hardly stand to finish this game, it feels so generic and out of balance.

As a note I've tried slider set after slider set, and have yet to find what I'm looking for. I've been playing the show since the first version, and I've never been this disenchanted. I check back on OS every day hoping for news on the patch. Maybe tomorrow is the day...

[Tomba]

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The sheer amount of natural new fielding animations and the the ball physics of 17 make 16 obsolete for me.

And I played 16 till the day before I got 17.

This was a huge leap in gameplay for me this year.

A good gameplay patch and I guarantee you will put 16 back on the shelf for a permanent vacation.

The game needs some fine tuning. No doubt.

But it is miles ahead of any previous iteration in terms of gameplay.

Miles ahead.

Sometimes change is difficult to process at first. We all wanted that leap in gameplay and we certainly got it.

It is going to have growing pains and that is what patch 1.04 will address.

Some growing pains in coding and logic for certain options that are used to play (QC/QM). And obvious major server issues that will be addressed.

But overall in franchise mode, I have had a robust gameplay experience and far above any version before it.

Nothing has felt forced. In fact quite the opposite.

Far more organic, far more unpredictable.

Just far more better. I am seeing different things in terms of hit variety, fielding animations, humanity AI decisions on fielding.

It has been incredible.


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I mirror this sentiment




However


The field grass and dirt color in atlantas new stadium, the Phillies stadium and the twins stadium are HORRIBLE

[JoshC1977]

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The Show 16 was a solid game; but lacked something for me. It always felt like I was playing just another baseball videogame....

The Show 17 is different...I feel like I am playing a simulation of baseball. It is just so much more lifelike, between the humanity AI, the ball physics, and the vast improvement in the fielding animations.

I'll put it another way....in previous years, I would watch a real baseball game and go "I wish we could see XYZ in The Show". This year, I watch a real baseball game and go, "Hey....this is just like The Show...that's pretty cool" (and I have literally said this to myself dozens of time...).

[kiddlex]

MLB '16 & '17: An Experiment and Observation

Quit out of 16 inning 0 run debacle on default hof. Tell myself to try newest version of popular OS sliders. Downloaded new OSFM rosters with default contracts. Plug in A&S sliders version 2.5.



With 1 out at Minnesota in the top of the 1st I'm up 4-0 after a Sal Perez grand slam. Feast or famine. It's not fun when it's too easy, and it's no fun when it's impossible to get the human/CPU offenses going. I want so badly to enjoy this game the way so many are. Love the potential, but I'm so lost right now regarding the Show 17.

Edit: Made it to the 5th inning and after my 4th Royals HR responsible for 8 runs I've called it for good until the next gameplay patch (sample size before throwing in the towel @ roughly 60 games)

[Caulfield]

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I just finished a game on '16 where I won 11-5. There were 22 combined hits. Not a single homerun was hit. I earned 7 walks.

I'm not sure this type of game is possible in '17 in its current state.


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It wouldbe interesting to play 16 with roster moves reflecting the 2017 season and players ratings to match 17 Show. I wonder how long the vault will be up.