Found NEW BUNT Cheese! Smh. NEEDs TO BE PATCHED

[bcruise]

Re: Found NEW BUNT Cheese! Smh. NEEDs TO BE PATCHED

I've also noticed that since I've turned off auto-shift the CPU rarely overshifts against me. I thought that was just supposed to be for my team, but whatever. They'll still do situational shifts though, the coolest one I've seen this year is guarding the lines in close late game situations.

You might try that as another possible solution to your problem.


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It varies by team/manager. Some teams will shift a lot while others are more traditional. That might be why you're seeing a difference in the overshift frequency.

If you pay attention to the defensive alignment presentation at the beginning of the game the commentators will sometimes call out that team's tendency.

[mikeq672]

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I could only find numbers from 2013 and 2014. About 1 out of every 4 bunt attempts against the shift is successful. If you actually get the bunt down in fair play your odds were 1 in 3 to reach first.

Those numbers arent exactly great and a far cry from what OP was suggesting he saw.

[ML]

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So i decided to play 3 back to back games to see If i can win just by bunting. All I did was bunt with every batter. The answer to that question is no but I have figured out that when the fielding shift is set to extreme right (which is always set against Headley by the cpu) and you get a successful bunt with a guy like Chase Headley against the computer you will be safe to first every single time.

The fact that i can successfully lay a bunt down every time with a guy like Chase Headley who has a Bunt & Drag Bunt rating of 25 is ridiculous. This shows that they didnt test bunting enough. There is no reason why i should be able to go 3 for 4 with Chase Headley just by bunting because the computer is not smart enough to shift back to a normal defense.

Also i noticed that i was able to lay down a bunt successfully wayyyyyy toooo often with guys rated in the 20's in bunting. What I mean by successful bunt is the fact that you can put the ball in to play so often with guys rated so low in bunting. There should be more foul balls occurring by guys who have low bunt ratings and more foul balls for bunting in general.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/more-...ing-the-shift/


The above link also provides info in which it shows how defenses in the 2014 season changed their shift defense strategy against players who previously bunted to try and beat the shift in the game. Spoiler alert; there is barely any adjustments made besides maybe the 3rd baseman cheating a bit closer to where he would normally stand.

I think that the issue here is that it's still way too easy to bunt despite the rating of the actual player, as opposed to if the defense is adjusting to the threat of the bunt as opposed to playing their normal shift defense against a hitter.

[seanhazz1]

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These players were ALL STARS, all conference, all state, etc. long before their rise to the league. Bunting is one of the most fundamental skills baseball players learn when they start playing as kids. I'm sure these players did not forget how to bunt just because they got to the majors, regardless of rating these are pros, and the thought that these professionals, who usually hit home runs, or don't normally hit, can't or shouldn't bunt a lick in a game is a little comical to me. Don't confuse their tendencies with actual skill. I'm ok with "non bunters" laying one down, "in play" 100%, or even for a hit if the defense is not aligned properly to defend it.
The "bunt cheese" will melt under the heat of different lineups, pitcher vs., and infielder combos.


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[Caulfield]

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there should be two bunt attributes (not including drag bunt)
one for how WELL a player bunts and another for how OFTEN he bunts.

[BigOscar]

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there should be two bunt attributes (not including drag bunt)
one for how WELL a player bunts and another for how OFTEN he bunts.

Although ok in principle, I think that would be a bit overkill really, considering in reality bunting is almost entirely situation in real life and pretty closely linked to how good a hitter you are.

Once you start with bunt frequency then you're also talking about power swing frequency, contact swing frequency and all manner of other things that would just clutter things up imo. I guess it could be a perk, so a player could have "shift beater" or something, to suggest they bunt to beat shifts on occasion, or other similar things for guys who swing for the fences with two strikes or choke up on the bat to prevent strike outs. There are a lot of "tendencies" that could be put in to make player more unique, but how often they bunt would be low on my list!

[MrSerendipity]

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I'm sorry but at some point this kind of stuff just seems like unnecessary nitpicking. We're breaking down statistics on successful bunts in shift situations. Hitting 600 foot bombs regularly? That's an issue. Reaching base successfully because you knowingly bunted against a shift that the CPU has issues picking up, isn't. That's very avoidable cheese.

[Padgoi]

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I play as the Yankees and tried I've tried bunting with Headley twice during the shift. Was thrown out both times. Neither was a good bunt. Haven't seen it yet.


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[MLB14]

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there should be two bunt attributes (not including drag bunt)
one for how WELL a player bunts and another for how OFTEN he bunts.

They could base how often a player bunts off the base bunt attribute. When a player bunts should be situation based more than anything else.

[Bunselpower32]

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I play as the Yankees and tried I've tried bunting with Headley twice during the shift. Was thrown out both times. Neither was a good bunt. Haven't seen it yet.


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This is exactly the point. The sample size with which the OP is justifying the attack is ONE GAME. I guarantee you that if the opponent shifted a guy 4 times, there would be a random game that would see a guy bunt on 3 of 4 times.

[Razeart2422]

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This is exactly the point. The sample size with which the OP is justifying the attack is ONE GAME. I guarantee you that if the opponent shifted a guy 4 times, there would be a random game that would see a guy bunt on 3 of 4 times.

Like I said, the biggest problem is the fact that you can lay down a bunt with anyone. No matter their rating. That makes no sense. I shouldn't be able to lay down a bunt with Chase Headley who has a bunt rating of 25.

[Bunselpower32]

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Like I said, the biggest problem is the fact that you can lay down a bunt with anyone. No matter their rating. That makes no sense. I shouldn't be able to lay down a bunt with Chase Headley who has a bunt rating of 25.

You're missing the point. I could never make it in the majors. But I guarantee I can lay down a bunt against any pitcher at any level at a respectable rate. So why shouldn't a major league hitter, who has spent tens of thousands of hours with a bat in his hands, be able to lay down a bunt in a deserted half of an infield once in a while? What's more, they don't have to place it well either. The harder the better, which is really what the bunt rating should be about.

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[underdog13]

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Like I said, the biggest problem is the fact that you can lay down a bunt with anyone. No matter their rating. That makes no sense. I shouldn't be able to lay down a bunt with Chase Headley who has a bunt rating of 25.

How are you able to get these bunts down? I'm really struggling, online and offline.

[Trackball]

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And now, because the Vocal Minority won't let himself have fun, we're probably going to get a patch that destroys bunting to the point of being unusable.

50/50 chance of that happening.

By the way, you start out RTTS with a bunt rating of 20, and have NO problem laying down bunts.
But you complain about this.

Oh, and your sample size is bull.

Probably gonna get a warning for saying this, but since you just...keep...going...

[Razeart2422]

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And now, because the Vocal Minority won't let himself have fun, we're probably going to get a patch that destroys bunting to the point of being unusable.

50/50 chance of that happening.

By the way, you start out RTTS with a bunt rating of 20, and have NO problem laying down bunts.
But you complain about this.

Oh, and your sample size is bull.

Probably gonna get a warning for saying this, but since you just...keep...going...

Why would I lie about this? There is no point in arguing. I am stating something that i saw after bunting with every batter, for 3 straight games, on Play Now Exhibition.

I was able to get on base with Chase headley (Only Chase Headley) more often than not because the computer does an extreme infield shift to the right on him.

And the real problem I'm complaining about is the fact the players with bunt ratings in the 25's are able to make contact with the ball (when bunting) wayyyy too often. And they are able to put the ball in play way too often as well. I am not saying that I am getting on base by bunting. Just that you shouldn't be able to put a ball in play so easily with low rated bunters.

Try it for yourself. Pick any team and just fast forward every half inning. And hold down the Triangle button every single at bat and you will see what I mean.