is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

[wellred]

So I'm just totally over this. It ruins an otherwise beautiful gameplay experience that seems overall pretty fair. I have an emaculate player with 99 in every catagory. I've put a lot of time into him, so just a little backstory.

I was drafted in the first round by the Dbacks as a 2nd baseman. I spent a little over a month down in AA the first year and got called up and haven't looked back. We made playoffs only once before last year, we got swept in the divisional round by the Dodgers in my second full big league season after taking the wildcard game. Last year again we made the wildcard game, won that 2-1 as I scored the go ahead run in the bottom of the 8th. In game 3 of the divisional round against the Cards I had my first ever walk off homer, we took that series, eventually getting beat in 6 games by the Mets and their 3 headed monster of 99 mph starting pitcher beasts (Syndergaard and 2 computer generated guys). So Im in my final year of arbitration, I sign for 13 million, considering my talent I could've gotten probably 20 million in arbitration but I give em a break because I know were close to a winner, the Diamondbacks reward my loyalty, by signing the only other 99 overall player in the league, Joey Gallo, to a huge contract.


In addition to all these brilliant moves that the CPU made last year, we've got a monster offense. Were ranked as the number 1 overall team according to the little graph thing. The awesome thing is now, the Dodgers are the 4th ranked team in the division. The Giants signed Carlos Corea and Kyle Schwarber and a ton of guys, the Padres now have Mike Moustakas and Corey Seager. So it's gonna be a dog fight and Im all geared up ready for it.


Opening day is here, against the Giants, awesome. And Im so pumped up and in the zone, I came ready to play that day, they get me out in my first AB, and I follow that with homeruns in my next 3 AB's. In over 700 big league games, and four MVP awards, and a NL triple crown, Ive never hit 3 home runs in the same game. We got a 9-0 lead going into the 7th. And then the Giants get, get this, a FOURTEEN run inning when Im next up to bat, I see it there like a big ugly back zit. 14-9 lolololol trolled. Talk about showing me up on my big freakin day.


TLDR: Complete BS. I know guys, it happens, like 10 times per calendar month when you're playing RTTS, but does it still in 17?

[countryboy]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

There is no comeback code.

[wellred]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

There is no comeback code.

ROFL That's great, but is there anyone who plays rtts?

BTW look I realize this is the CNN of message boards in terms of developer indoctrination where everything obvious is a conspiracy theory...


but is there anyone who plays rtts?

[countryboy]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

ROFL That's great, but is there anyone who plays rtts?

You can laugh and mock all you want. There is no comeback code. Never has been.

We go thru these threads 3 or 4 times every single year, and every single year the answer is the same, there is no comeback code per the developers of the game.

Now, I'm sure you're next comment will be, "well they are lying or they would never admit it" or something along those lines. So to entertain your "idea", let me ask you this:

What is the trigger that causes "comeback code" to kick in? Because if there is some sort of comeback code and it doesn't happen every single game, then there is something that has to trigger it to happen.

So what is it?

And I'll ask this other question:

If there was comeback code, why isn't there a community outrage about it? Why is it only a handful, if that many, of people who play this game believe there is comeback code whereas the vast majority doesn't see it?

[wellred]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

You can laugh and mock all you want. There is no comeback code. Never has been.

We go thru these threads 3 or 4 times every single year, and every single year the answer is the same, there is no comeback code per the developers of the game.

Now, I'm sure you're next comment will be, "well they are lying or they would never admit it" or something along those lines. So to entertain your "idea", let me ask you this:

What is the trigger that causes "comeback code" to kick in? Because if there is some sort of comeback code and it doesn't happen every single game, then there is something that has to trigger it to happen.

So what is it?

And I'll ask this other question:

If there was comeback code, why isn't there a community outrage about it? Why is it only a handful, if that many, of people who play this game believe there is comeback code whereas the vast majority doesn't see it?

Even if you could quantify what the 'vast majority' of people believe (you cant, especially since you consider this a throw away issue you clearly havent spent any actual consideration on it, meaning you wouldn't even be aware of the majority opinion on it because you're not even willing to listen to alternate perspectives, not at all the approach of someone hoping to become or appear educated on an issue) you're assuming that the echo chamber here qualifies as the vast majority of players anyways. Nor does it. A simple google search reveals many threads on other sites like reddit and gamefaqs where the support is overwhelmingly in favor of what I'm talking about. And tbh personally Im much more inclined to believe the average gamer than I am people associated directly with this site, since you have developer engagement on your site to worry about you can't really go bad mouthing the game.


So yes yes, my mistake to make this thread here, not a big deal though. It's just a thread among many every year.


So is comeback code still in the game this year or non?

[countryboy]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

Even if you could quantify what the 'vast majority' of people believe (you cant, especially since you consider this a throw away issue you clearly havent spent any actual consideration on it, meaning you wouldn't even be aware of the majority opinion on it because you're not even willing to listen to alternate perspectives, not at all the approach of someone hoping to become or appear educated on an issue) you're assuming that the echo chamber here qualifies as the vast majority of players anyways. Nor does it. A simple google search reveals many threads on other sites like reddit and gamefaqs where the support is overwhelmingly in favor of what I'm talking about. And tbh personally Im much more inclined to believe the average gamer than I am people associated directly with this site, since you have developer engagement on your site to worry about you can't really go bad mouthing the game.


So yes yes, my mistake to make this thread here, not a big deal though. It's just a thread among many every year.


So is comeback code still in the game this year or non?

Great cop out answer to my questions.

For everyone who has claimed comeback code exists in the game, I've posed to them the same question that I posed to you as to what events happen that seem to trigger comeback code. And just like you, everyone else has dodged the question and gave a similar type of response as you did. Nobody offers up details as to why they feel comeback code is in the game other than they lost a game in the later innings that they were winning.

I wonder why?

And to answer your question, again, there is no comeback code.

[wellred]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

Great cop out answer to my questions.

And to answer your question, again, there is no comeback code.

So you want serious analysis when you're not even acknowledging there could be an issue? I'm not here to change your mind about anything, clearly you dont even play the mode so it would be entirely wasted on you.


And I will ask my question again, is there anyone here who actually does play this mode and can actually participate in das thread?

[countryboy]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

So you want serious analysis when you're not even acknowledging there could be an issue? I'm not here to change your mind about anything, clearly you dont even play the mode so it would be entirely wasted on you.


And I will ask my question again, is there anyone here who actually does play this mode and can actually participate in das thread?

I asked you what you think is happening that could be triggering the issue. I've given you an opportunity to explain your experiences and opened the door to a discussion on the subject. But you declined.

You don't need to change my mind. I don't play the mode, but why would comeback code be in RTTS and not in other modes? Why would the devs code the game that way?

There are plenty of people here who play RTTS. And as you can see, you're the only one who has brought up this possible issue.

[wellred]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

Great cop out answer to my questions.

For everyone who has claimed comeback code exists in the game, I've posed to them the same question that I posed to you as to what events happen that seem to trigger comeback code. And just like you, everyone else has dodged the question and gave a similar type of response as you did. Nobody offers up details as to why they feel comeback code is in the game other than they lost a game in the later innings that they were winning.

I wonder why?

And to answer your question, again, there is no comeback code.

Clearly you're a great OS historian and the keeper of all these threads but I'm seriously not impressed nor do I care. No matter what evidence me or anyone else provides to you, you already said it, the devs said it's not in the game. So you're going that route. I'm going with the scientific observation route rather than the 'he said she said' trivia time or whatever you're on about. I'm not here to enlighten any bumpkins with the great science, stick to your religion, you'll be happier I bet.

[countryboy]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

Clearly you're a great OS historian and the keeper of all these threads but I'm seriously not impressed nor do I care. No matter what evidence me or anyone else provides to you, you already said it, the devs said it's not in the game. So you're going that route. I'm going with the scientific observation route rather than the 'he said she said' trivia time or whatever you're on about. I'm not here to enlighten any bumpkins with the great science, stick to your religion, you'll be happier I bet.

And you continue to provide the typical cop out/troll answer.

Why do you continue to dodge the question as to what may be causing it to happen?

Let me ask you this, have you ever won a game in RTTS mode?

[wellred]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

You don't need to change my mind. I don't play the mode

There are plenty of people here who play RTTS. And as you can see, you're the only one who has brought up this possible issue.

Of course you don't. And that really disqualfies you from this discussion. You've either experienced it, or you havent. And you havent..it's a black and white issue. The issue occurs clearly when you jump ahead in the game in RTTS exclusively, it's not in any other game mode. Ive played/tested every other mode and it does in fact exist exclusively in RTTS. You said you don't see how it can exist there and not anywhere else, RTTS is a unique gameplay experience compared to the other modes. Period. The fact that you already can't differentiate the two when they clearly, even on the surface, are quite different and using two different engines to simulate games. The jump ahead feature available in RTTS is unique to RTTS. I guess if you played the mode you could probably understand that, and we wouldn't be here talking about stuff that is common knowledge /shrug.


There are plenty of people who play RTTS and have identified it as a distinct issue, for years now. I don't know if they hang out on this site or not, maybe they don't. That's fine. But clearly one of us has done a little more research than the other in this regard.

[countryboy]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

Of course you don't. And that really disqualfies you from this discussion. You've either experienced it, or you havent. And you havent..it's a black and white issue. The issue occurs clearly when you jump ahead in the game in RTTS exclusively, it's not in any other game mode. Ive played/tested every other mode and it does in fact exist exclusively in RTTS. You said you don't see how it can exist there and not anywhere else, RTTS is a unique gameplay experience compared to the other modes. Period. The fact that you already can't differentiate the two when they clearly, even on the surface, are quite different and using two different engines to simulate games. The jump ahead feature available in RTTS is unique to RTTS. I guess if you played the mode you could probably understand that, and we wouldn't be here talking about stuff that is common knowledge /shrug.


There are plenty of people who play RTTS and have identified it as a distinct issue, for years now. I don't know if they hang out on this site or not, maybe they don't. That's fine. But clearly one of us has done a little more research than the other in this regard.

Ok, in your research:

1) Does it happen every time you're ahead and use the jump ahead feature?

2) If not, then what common occurrences happen prior to comeback code kicking in?

[wellred]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

Ok, in your research:

1) Does it happen every time you're ahead and use the jump ahead feature?

2) If not, then what common occurrences happen prior to comeback code kicking in?

I won't even get into distinctly pointing out all the times my team has blown huge leads, given up big innings, blown saves, etc. an inordinate and unreasonable amount of times. Yes that does happen, a lot, but it happens in baseball also. So let's forget that for a second, and lets just simplify it in the simplest baseball terms.


If Im a RTTS player on my squad, opening day, and just choose to sim the season rather than playing and interacting in any games, my team will usually have a team era in the mid to high 3's. This is pretty typical for the usual sim engine to produce those kinda numbers. You have to have a really bad staff/bad year to produce a team ERA that is above the 4.2 range. There is usually a team or two in that range every year, but that is worst case scenario performance. And the base sim engine you would use by simulating from the calendar can produce very very close stats for my RTTS player as I would be able to get playing the games myself. I play pretty sim, my guy is jacked, even the sim engine knows that. So really without me playing the games or having any input, my team isnt really missing my production, and they win a LOT more games.


And this is because, by the simple fact of me being there in the game, my team is going to give about 1 earned run more per game than if I just let the engine do it's work. This....shouldnt.....happen, I have very little input into that at all, outside playing gold glove caliber defense in the infield, which I do when Im playing. So it should not affect it all, and certainly not to that degree. But it does, and it does so year in year out with great predictability and can easily be reproduced. How much more cut and dry does it get?


Now wether you wanna call it 'comeback code' or an observer effect, it's semantics. My team will give up a run more per game if I'm there as opposed to when I'm not, due to the way the sim engine works. That is wrong, and not baseball.

[countryboy]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

Hold on I'm confused.

Earlier you said it was a black and white issue and happens when you use the jump ahead feature in RTTS.

Now you're saying if you sim the game, it doesn't happen, but if you play out the game then your team will always give up 1 additional earned run per game? Isn't the jump ahead feature a sim of the parts of the game?

Are you saying it will happen when you physically play a game and use jump ahead instead of just simming?

I'm not following here.


I thought we were talking about comeback code in the manner that you are leading a game for a majority only to lose it in the later innings?

Now we are discussing that, basically if you simmed a season your team would have an ERA of 3, but if you played every game that would be a 4, because there is some type of code that causes your team to give up 1 additional earned run per game when you actually play the game vs simming?

Sorry, just a bit confused here.

[wellred]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

Hold on I'm confused.

Earlier you said it was a black and white issue and happens when you use the jump ahead feature in RTTS.

Now you're saying if you sim the game, it doesn't happen, but if you play out the game then your team will always give up 1 additional earned run per game? Isn't the jump ahead feature a sim of the parts of the game?

Are you saying it will happen when you physically play a game and use jump ahead instead of just simming?

I'm not following here.


I thought we were talking about comeback code in the manner that you are leading a game for a majority only to lose it in the later innings?

Now we are discussing that, basically if you simmed a season your team would have an ERA of 3, but if you played every game that would be a 4, because there is some type of code that causes your team to give up 1 additional earned run per game when you actually play the game vs simming?

Sorry, just a bit confused here.

I dont really see what's confusing about it, for a real baseball fan. When you give up the runs really is irrelevant. I don't care about that. It does seem to happen an inordinate amount of times when you're leading, which is why people call it 'comeback code' but in the strictest of baseball terms, that doesn't matter, you dont know when the runs are going to come. You play 162 games and the cream rises to the top. If you're giving up a run more per game when you play as opposed to not, and it's out of your control, that means the sim engine used in RTTS PLAYED games is screwed. Simple as that. I don't care about losing leads, I understand the stats and what they mean over the course of a long season, blowing 1 or 5 wins doesnt bother me.


And like I said, I can reproduce this as many times as I want. I can sim a season 10 times, and then play it, and Ill give up a run more per game in the season I played, on average. What are you confused about?