My Final Take on MLB The Show 17 - from a Critical Standpoint

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  • Padgoi
    Banned
    • Oct 2008
    • 1873

    #31
    Re: My Final Take on MLB The Show 17 - from a Critical Standpoint

    Originally posted by djep
    I think the OP is looking for a more arcade experience and I say that not in a way that elevates sim vs. arcade. With MLB the Show, I prefer a stats-driven sim experience so I have no issues with the game dictating outcomes based on some user input. With NBA 2K, I prefer a more arcade experience vs. people who choose to use Real FT and/or FG shooting percentages.
    I don't think any of my ideas would suggest I'm looking for an arcade experience. I'm simply looking for an experience that MY SKILLS dictate. I personally don't want to play a game in which so much is dictated by the game because . . . it feels scripted. I'm not in control. I could just as easily watch baseball because I'm not in control of that either. I want my user input, my skill, to dictate the results with the ratings coming into play via ease of meter use and PCI size. Why on earth would anyone want to play a game in which so much is dictated to them in an effort to obtain realistic stats? What good are realistic stats if they were fabricated by unrealistic events and dictated results?

    I'm not looking for an arcade experience at all. I'm looking for an experience in which realism occurs due to ratings AS WELL AS my user skills. But I want my skills to dictate more. I want it to be possible to take the San Diego Padres to the World Series on Legend if I'm that good at the game. That's the way it should be. The way it is now, it's literally impossible to succeed with a poor team on higher difficulty levels because it's dictated that those teams aren't good and therefore won't succeed regardless of user input. That simply isn't realistic to me.

    Originally posted by jada855
    Some good points by the OP,

    Base running is also a key fundamental that needs to be worked on. At the moment the current implementation just does not work. Hope to see CPU runners be aggressive in situations and knowledgeable about what's going on in the context of a game.

    Now that I think about it playing player lock and watching all 9 innings over the course of the MLB The Show series and Seasons. I don't think I have ever seen a CPU player turn back too a base in a critical situation sense. Which makes all the plays feel even more scripted.
    Another very good point that I missed. So many times I've had a runner on second, hit a sharp single to right, and the runner on second (even though I have running on MANUAL) runs back to second and cannot advance to third. How many times in real baseball have you seen a runner on second not advance to THIRD on a single??? It just adds to the belief that too many results are dictated by the game and it totally ruins the immersion factor for me. I see no reason to play a game in which results are dictated based on ratings and in which user input can at times be largely ignored because . . . the game said so.

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    • Bunselpower32
      Pro
      • Jul 2012
      • 947

      #32
      Re: My Final Take on MLB The Show 17 - from a Critical Standpoint

      Originally posted by RockPowderDownLoL
      well Russel did say the hitting mechanics mimic a round ball hitting a round bat .
      No matter what Russell says, this is not true. Hitting mechanics are a very oversized 2D ellipse at a square angle to the rectangular strikezone being approximated to a 3D surface NOT at a perfect angle to the strikezone. This results in, what do you know, weak popups on inside pitches, probably the weakest point of the game this year.

      Seriously, just go to PYS, ask them for their stuff, and use it. It would be amazing.

      OP, you are very, very spot on with just about all of your analysis.

      I don't know how the poster can say you are looking for an arcade experience. You actually detailed how you want ratings and real life tendencies reflected in the interface. That seems like you want LESS RNG and MORE grittiness and realism. I'm on board with all of these things.

      Add in gesture pitching and I will sign a 20 year commitment to SCEA and The Show if this stuff gets implemented.
      "The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws."

      - Rick Wise

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      • RockPowderDownLoL
        Rookie
        • Nov 2015
        • 219

        #33
        Re: My Final Take on MLB The Show 17 - from a Critical Standpoint

        ugh you guys just aren't seeing what i'm saying about hitting. no idea what your acronyms stand for BRUNSELPOWER

        hitting is very much in the user's hands on Legend. Not so much in a online DD game on All-Star. I am certain if anyone of you was truly elite you could take the San Diego Padres to the WS on Legend.

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        • KnightTemplar
          MVP
          • Feb 2017
          • 3282

          #34
          Re: My Final Take on MLB The Show 17 - from a Critical Standpoint

          Originally posted by Armor and Sword
          Very well stated.

          The Show does an amazing job with random dice roll results based on statistics and ratings.

          For me and the way I play the game (everyone is different) with classic pitching and directional hitting its like playing Statis-Pro and Strato-Matic baseball.

          It’s glorious.

          MLBTS 17 is by no means a perfect game.

          Hitting for me has never, ever been better than on 17. The hit variety is unmatched. The fielding animations and humanity AI is fantastic.

          9 out of 10 for offline

          3 out of 10 for online

          I fully expect to see gameplay tuned more for 18, and I am very hopeful they have some surprises for us in franchise mode and presentation. It needs a refresh.


          Sent from Palm Trees and Paradise using Operation Sports
          It's amazing how diverse things are when it comes to analyzing this game. What one sees, another doesn't. What one criticizes and says needs to be "fixed" another says "no, don't touch it, it's fine".

          For me, I agree with the above quote. Others will criticize even that. It's a game that just can't please everyone. It's a game and a pretty good one.

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          • redsfan4life
            MVP
            • Mar 2005
            • 2763

            #35
            Re: My Final Take on MLB The Show 17 - from a Critical Standpoint

            Originally posted by KnightTemplar
            It's amazing how diverse things are when it comes to analyzing this game. What one sees, another doesn't. What one criticizes and says needs to be "fixed" another says "no, don't touch it, it's fine".

            For me, I agree with the above quote. Others will criticize even that. It's a game that just can't please everyone. It's a game and a pretty good one.
            There are many that do not play the game at all either offline or online. As an online gamer exclusively, this game was a steaming pile for yours truly.
            PSN: Maserati_Bryan17

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            • KnightTemplar
              MVP
              • Feb 2017
              • 3282

              #36
              Re: My Final Take on MLB The Show 17 - from a Critical Standpoint

              Originally posted by redsfan4life
              There are many that do not play the game at all either offline or online. As an online gamer exclusively, this game was a steaming pile for yours truly.
              Never liked online, and don't play it. Strictly off line, game shines for me.

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              • wanzalla13
                Rookie
                • Jul 2012
                • 235

                #37
                Re: My Final Take on MLB The Show 17 - from a Critical Standpoint

                I agree with everything except the batting cursor. Like a previous poster mentioned, it would make the game seem too "arcadey". Maybe SDS can come up with a way to keep the same hitting mechanic but give the player more control over the outcomes

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                • wanzalla13
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2012
                  • 235

                  #38
                  Re: My Final Take on MLB The Show 17 - from a Critical Standpoint

                  Btw the game pisses me off sometimes but I love it!

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