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[berenjena]

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That is because catcher ratings have ALWAYS been flawed. I remember a few years on PS3, catchers had the highest in-game overall ratings because there was too much emphasis put on defense.

Also, the fact that the top 10 doesn't include Tyler Flowers proves The Show doesn't know how to properly rate catchers.

What? Gary Sanchez had the highest catching WAR last year per fangraphs. He's arguably the second best catcher in the game behind Posey.

You obviously don't watch many games and are going by the notion that he's a bad "defender." Which is totally wrong. He had 16 pass balls but also above average pitch framing, an absolute cannon for an arm and pretty good percentage at catching runners. And since is based on his last 3 years, he had zero issues with pass balls in 16 either and had a historically good rookie season.

He's also clearly the best offensive catcher in the game right now

[Cod]

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Flowers?
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If pitch framing, contact rate, and plate discipline mean anything (hint, they mean A LOT)...then yes, Tyler Flowers.

For reference: https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/20...-contact-power and https://www.theringer.com/2017/7/6/1...d-160c5100f9c7

[Cod]

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What? Gary Sanchez had the highest catching WAR last year per fangraphs. He's arguably the second best catcher in the game behind Posey.

You obviously don't watch many games and are going by the notion that he's a bad "defender." Which is totally wrong. He had 16 pass balls but also above average pitch framing, an absolute cannon for an arm and pretty good percentage at catching runners. And since is based on his last 3 years, he had zero issues with pass balls in 16 either and had a historically good rookie season.

He's also clearly the best offensive catcher in the game right now

WAR is the most over-valued stat in baseball. The stat completely lacks context as it's based on hypothetical runs, not real runs. Hypothetical runs are determined by those around you, not yourself. Place ANY .280 hitter in his spot of the lineup and I guarantee you'll get a good slash line. Also, its calculated against replacement levels, which by baseball's own definition, is a good player in AAA.

BTW, he's not good on defense. If he was, he'd be top 10 in dWAR (another pointless stat, but I'll use it since WAR has sex appeal):
1. Andrelton Simmons 4.2
2. Tucker Barnhart 2.8 <---a catcher
3. Byron Buxton 2.8
4. Mookie Betts 2.6
5. Kevin Kiermaier 2.5
6. Nolan Arenado 2.3
7. Matt Chapman 2.2
8. Addison Russell 2.0
9. Kevin Pillar 1.9
10. Manny Pina 1.9

Let's talk about his errors / passed balls next. Sanchez lead (not sure that's the correct word) AL catchers in errors (13) AND passed balls (16). Second place was Yan Gomes with 4 less errors (and a lot less passed balls)...and Gomes catches a bunch of sinker / junkball pitchers while Sanchez, in general, gets more heat.

Whether or not you want to take off your blind fold is up to you, Sanchez is a good DH at best.

[garyjr33]

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We have asked for more advanced catcher ratings, if that should happen in 18 he might be lower rated yet due to pitch framing and mobility.

He is down in Tampa already working on his pitch framing!!!

[GoDucks1224]

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An entire thread dedicated to discussing 4 players overall ratings 2 months before the game releases. This is just so Yankees sense of self importance it hurts.

[Caulfield]

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An entire thread dedicated to discussing 4 players overall ratings 2 months before the game releases. This is just so Yankees sense of self importance it hurts.

I just wanna know if its alright to talk about Jacoby Ellsbury up in here.
:I

[Cod]

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I just wanna know if its alright to talk about Jacoby Ellsbury up in here.
:I

If you want to talk about any Yankee ratings, then I'm sure you're fine.

[Mercury112491]

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An entire thread dedicated to discussing 4 players overall ratings 2 months before the game releases. This is just so Yankees sense of self importance it hurts.

I mean, I don’t see anyone stopping you from making a ratings thread about your team.

Might as well do something to pass the time right?


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[GoDucks1224]

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I mean, I don’t see anyone stopping you from making a ratings thread about your team.

Might as well do something to pass the time right?


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Yeah I don’t feel the need to make a thread about specific players on my favorite team. That was my point. It’s exactly something I’d expect from a Yankees fan. Lmao. I was really hoping the rebuild would last longer. So Yankees fans could feel like the rest of us for awhile. Damn you baseball gods.

My comment was largely intended to be a joke about the Yankees fan base, though.

[Caulfield]

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Yeah I don’t feel the need to make a thread about specific players on my favorite team. That was my point. It’s exactly something I’d expect from a Yankees fan. Lmao. I was really hoping the rebuild would last longer. So Yankees fans could feel like the rest of us for awhile. Damn you baseball gods.

Since 2010, I think there's at least 24 other teams that would rather be in giant shoes in that time frame. Yankees included.

[GoDucks1224]

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Since 2010, I think there's at least 24 other teams that would rather be in giant shoes in that time frame. Yankees included.

Fair enough.

[knich]

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An entire thread dedicated to discussing 4 players overall ratings 2 months before the game releases. This is just so Yankees sense of self importance it hurts.

We are not talking about any team..we’re talking about the Yankees. Is there another relevant thread? 😉

[GoDucks1224]

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We are not talking about any team..we’re talking about the Yankees. Is there another relevant thread? [emoji6]

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[Mercury112491]

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Yeah I don’t feel the need to make a thread about specific players on my favorite team. That was my point. It’s exactly something I’d expect from a Yankees fan. Lmao. I was really hoping the rebuild would last longer. So Yankees fans could feel like the rest of us for awhile. Damn you baseball gods.

My comment was largely intended to be a joke about the Yankees fan base, though.

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] ok dude


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[kehlis]

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Yea that's enough.

And no. We don't need individual threads for every team to discuss ratings.