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  • Dolenz
    MVP
    • May 2014
    • 2056

    #16
    Re: Would you support DLC Classic Stadiums

    Not sure, but my guess would be probably not. I was not willing to use many stubs to purchase classic stadiums in 17 so I probably would balk at spending real money, considering I will already be paying $100 for digital deluxe.

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    • Unlucky 13
      MVP
      • Apr 2009
      • 1707

      #17
      Re: Would you support DLC Classic Stadiums

      Originally posted by BlacknBlue
      To answer your question, because of $$$. They probably can’t get the rights to some of them at all, and others would cost an arm and a leg to obtain. And I’m sure their “metadata” suggests that they would net limited return on the deal, if anything at all, by the time the resources went into creating them.

      I would love more recent old stadiums, but I would personally be more apt to pay for more uniforms. Or would love to see a uniform vault online with each team having 2 empty slots and us being able to download user created uniforms for personal use.
      I guess I shouldn't be surprised by anything involving greed, but are you saying that someone owns the rights to stadiums that have been imploded and no longer exist except in memory????
      Anyone who claims to be a fan of two teams in the same pro sport is actually a fan of none.

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      • Unlucky 13
        MVP
        • Apr 2009
        • 1707

        #18
        Re: Would you support DLC Classic Stadiums

        Originally posted by Bullit
        As much as I would love to have more ballparks, I am not sure that I would support DLC. It would depend on price and packaging. My concern with this is two fold.

        Lets assume a ball park is $2.99 and they release 10 parks, because we can be fairly certain they will not give anything away. So thats $30 more dollars, effectively raising the price to $90 for the game. Which for me in terms of dollar to hour play time is still a deal, I guess.

        My other concern is would we have to pay this extra money every year for the same stadiums as we moved on to a newer game?
        I see DLC like this as purely optional and therefor fine for charging something for. I've bought extra courses and characters in golf games in the past.
        Anyone who claims to be a fan of two teams in the same pro sport is actually a fan of none.

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        • Turbojugend
          MVP
          • Sep 2013
          • 2242

          #19
          Re: Would you support DLC Classic Stadiums

          If Ebbets, Candlestick, Kingdome, etc., were offered as DLC? Yes, I would absolutely buy each and every one of them without hesitation.
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          • EnigmaNemesis
            Animal Liberation
            • Apr 2006
            • 12216

            #20
            Re: Would you support DLC Classic Stadiums

            Originally posted by Unlucky 13
            I guess I shouldn't be surprised by anything involving greed, but are you saying that someone owns the rights to stadiums that have been imploded and no longer exist except in memory????
            Yes, just as someone owns the rights to the 'estate' of someone who passed away, thus those Legend players still have to be licensed.

            Now this was almost 5-6 years ago, but the last time I was at SD Studios, when we asked, the main reason for licensing stadiums was the cost. I believe Ebbets was used as an example of licensing costs being astronomical and never seeing a return, even if DLC.
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            • baconbits11
              MVP
              • Oct 2014
              • 2617

              #21
              Re: Would you support DLC Classic Stadiums

              Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
              Yes, just as someone owns the rights to the 'estate' of someone who passed away, thus those Legend players still have to be licensed.

              Now this was almost 5-6 years ago, but the last time I was at SD Studios, when we asked, the main reason for licensing stadiums was the cost. I believe Ebbets was used as an example of licensing costs being astronomical and never seeing a return, even if DLC.

              You wouldn't think stadiums would cost as much in licensing as some of these old time players, especially Babe Ruth and Ted Williams. They also could use fake names like ASB did "Retro Dodger"


              I would pay extra for DLC Classic stadiums though, you would think a lot of fans would pay and offset cost for the licensing.

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              • bronxbombers21325
                MVP
                • Mar 2012
                • 3058

                #22
                Re: Would you support DLC Classic Stadiums

                I don't use classic teams or uniforms. I've never even played a full game in any of the classic stadiums. I really wouldn't need this feature. I know there are a lot of people who'd like it though.

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                • thescoop
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 1288

                  #23
                  Re: Would you support DLC Classic Stadiums

                  Originally posted by BlacknBlue
                  To answer your question, because of $$$. They probably can’t get the rights to some of them at all, and others would cost an arm and a leg to obtain. And I’m sure their “metadata” suggests that they would net limited return on the deal, if anything at all, by the time the resources went into creating them.

                  I would love more recent old stadiums, but I would personally be more apt to pay for more uniforms. Or would love to see a uniform vault online with each team having 2 empty slots and us being able to download user created uniforms for personal use.
                  You get it and the point of making this thread. I was curious myself if this was a popular option. Based on the comments I'm seeing, it might be 60/40 in favor of it. Not sure that would be enough to offset some the rights costs.

                  I've seen some say to include real Minor league stadiums as DLC. As much as I want them, I'm against that because I feel if they get them they should just be part of the game as Minor league teams are included in the game. I would be against any sort of DLC for Minor League stadiums.

                  I also want to make it clear I'm in no way suggesting DLC over a create a stadium option. I want that period. I'm just randomly trying to see what folks thing and so far I'm enjoying reading the feedback here.
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                  • EnigmaNemesis
                    Animal Liberation
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 12216

                    #24
                    Re: Would you support DLC Classic Stadiums

                    Originally posted by baconbits11
                    You wouldn't think stadiums would cost as much in licensing as some of these old time players, especially Babe Ruth and Ted Williams. They also could use fake names like ASB did "Retro Dodger"


                    I would pay extra for DLC Classic stadiums though, you would think a lot of fans would pay and offset cost for the licensing.
                    Sometimes it is also more than just about money. Some do not want the likeness shared, or stadiums, especially for a 'video game'. I am sure there is a lot of convincing that care will be taken, and over time, the willingness to cooperate/negotiate opens up.
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                    • MetsFan16
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 1416

                      #25
                      Re: Would you support DLC Classic Stadiums

                      I rarely play classic rosters/seasons/uniforms being in the younger fan minority on this site.

                      I might dabble in the Classic stadiums in the game already but I don’t think I’d see myself buying others in a DLC pack.


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                      • Lisac
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2013
                        • 1818

                        #26
                        Re: Would you support DLC Classic Stadiums

                        Option to Create A Stadium would reslove this

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                        • Unlucky 13
                          MVP
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 1707

                          #27
                          Re: Would you support DLC Classic Stadiums

                          Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
                          Yes, just as someone owns the rights to the 'estate' of someone who passed away, thus those Legend players still have to be licensed.

                          Now this was almost 5-6 years ago, but the last time I was at SD Studios, when we asked, the main reason for licensing stadiums was the cost. I believe Ebbets was used as an example of licensing costs being astronomical and never seeing a return, even if DLC.
                          Man, that is just so awful. Not terribly surprising given how all of this nonsense works, but terrible.
                          Anyone who claims to be a fan of two teams in the same pro sport is actually a fan of none.

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                          • Unlucky 13
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 1707

                            #28
                            Re: Would you support DLC Classic Stadiums

                            Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
                            Sometimes it is also more than just about money. Some do not want the likeness shared, or stadiums, especially for a 'video game'. I am sure there is a lot of convincing that care will be taken, and over time, the willingness to cooperate/negotiate opens up.
                            I wonder what the time frame on the likenesses are for people who have passed away. Non sports video games use historical characters all the time. At some point, everything has to become part of the general free domain.
                            Anyone who claims to be a fan of two teams in the same pro sport is actually a fan of none.

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                            • EnigmaNemesis
                              Animal Liberation
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 12216

                              #29
                              Re: Would you support DLC Classic Stadiums

                              Originally posted by Unlucky 13
                              I wonder what the time frame on the likenesses are for people who have passed away. Non sports video games use historical characters all the time. At some point, everything has to become part of the general free domain.
                              Just going by what I know for the music industry, and friends that work in it, and are musicians, etc., there is an expiration, but it's a 95 year period divided 2 phases (28 years initial, 67 years if you renew it after the 28), anything prior to January 1, 1978 (in music) that was not copyrighted or fell into public domain is for life of the author and/or their estate I imagine.

                              For likeness it is personality rights, which does not have an international standard, so they fall under the country's laws. So let's say for a photo you take, copyright currently lasts life of creator plus 70 years, or a flat 95 years for corporate authorship. So these are likely to extend past the expiration of the personality rights.

                              However California (since it has the most celebrities) enacted a law where it is for life, plus 70 years (when passed down to family), there are a dozen or so other states that follow suit.

                              Copyrights prior to 1923 have expired, but not sure how the renewal works on that.

                              It is all complex no matter what, lol. So in other words, long past our time for them to lift.
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                              • Caulfield
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 10986

                                #30
                                Re: Would you support DLC Classic Stadiums

                                Originally posted by hyacinth1
                                They should give us a create a stadium like every other sports game does.
                                This is easier in football and basketball as the field and court dimensions are the same across the board.
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