Huge Flaw in RTTS

[taterskin]

Re: Huge Flaw in RTTS

I'm not ready to declare whether I love it or despite it. I'm somewhere in the middle. I've pointed out the things that I don't like so far....but there are aspects of the game that I love.

Fortunately for me... I still have the MLB 17 save with 42K of training points. I plan on going back and recreating a player with what I have learned thus far through one full year of games. I'll take points and equipment accumulated and setup player just before choosing archetype. It's clear that things like plate discipline, plate vision, fielding, reaction, and arm accuracy are all things that are easy to accumulate points for while in game. Points need to be poured into power, contact, clutch, arm strength, etc.

The changes made to this mode of the game are very polarizing. If I'm a single guy with plenty of spare time, limited responsibilities, etc the grind that is required with these changes might not be so bad. But for a guy that can only play a couple hours a day and on the weekends....I want to get there fast and I want to be a force at my position. I want to play and compete against TODAY's stars. I've never had an issue with the guy who bought stubs to use as training points to build his character OR the guy who wanted a more realistic approach and a grind. The beauty of the previous versions is you had the option to do either. You don't have that option now unless you are fortunate enough to import from last year's game.

[My993C2]

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I am concerned if there is indeed a problem where the pitchers secondary pitch control and movement attributes never change after each game in the current MLB 18 RTTS build. If this is the case we are essentially wasting our time playing the game with pitchers because the secondary pitches will never improve over time.

Because I like to play full RTTS games or play at least as much of the game as SDS will let me (why the don't make the "O - Watch Game" button available before the first pitch of the game is ever thrown is mind boggling), my RTTS character development is at a much slower pace than most. I am thinking of restarting my pitcher and shortstop RTTS players in MLB 17, play with them there keeping in mind the archetypes of MLB 18 and then when hopefully some of these problems with MLB 18 RTTS are solved, then I will migrate my MLB 17 players to 18.

It's a shame there are bugs, but there is nothing easy about software development. Bugs happen and hopefully a patch will be available soon because I do like what SDS is trying to do with the mode. It just does not seem like it is where it needs to be yet.

[ASUBoy93]

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Y'all are aware that after your short stint of moving positions you can move back to your original position? The manager and organization won't limit your playtime or bench you.

Also, the reason you play DH so frequently is because your durability is low. The comp is trying to limit your game action to get you the most AB's. And if you're worried about your fielding you can get tangible upgrades to it during training (the same place pitchers can add new pitches).

[extremeskins04]

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Y'all are aware that after your short stint of moving positions you can move back to your original position? The manager and organization won't limit your playtime or bench you.

Not the point though man. This mode is scripted to the point of where in every one of your RTTS saves, it asks you to change positions which is ridiculous. It's not even a need for alot of teams. This was also an issue last year.

SDS added the archetypes this year but did not tweak the logic of teams wanting you to switch positions in every game.

[Woodweaver]

Re: Huge Flaw in RTTS

I am concerned if there is indeed a problem where the pitchers secondary pitch control and movement attributes never change after each game in the current MLB 18 RTTS build. If this is the case we are essentially wasting our time playing the game with pitchers because the secondary pitches will never improve over time.

Because I like to play full RTTS games or play at least as much of the game as SDS will let me (why the don't make the "O - Watch Game" button available before the first pitch of the game is ever thrown is mind boggling), my RTTS character development is at a much slower pace than most. I am thinking of restarting my pitcher and shortstop RTTS players in MLB 17, play with them there keeping in mind the archetypes of MLB 18 and then when hopefully some of these problems with MLB 18 RTTS are solved, then I will migrate my MLB 17 players to 18.

It's a shame there are bugs, but there is nothing easy about software development. Bugs happen and hopefully a patch will be available soon because I do like what SDS is trying to do with the mode. It just does not seem like it is where it needs to be yet.

The pitch issue is known and will be fixed.

[PhilliesFan13]

Re: Huge Flaw in RTTS

Y'all are aware that after your short stint of moving positions you can move back to your original position? The manager and organization won't limit your playtime or bench you.

Also, the reason you play DH so frequently is because your durability is low. The comp is trying to limit your game action to get you the most AB's. And if you're worried about your fielding you can get tangible upgrades to it during training (the same place pitchers can add new pitches).

I actually never took durability into consideration when I saw my speedy CF playing DH. Makes sense now.

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[ASUBoy93]

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Not the point though man. This mode is scripted to the point of where in every one of your RTTS saves, it asks you to change positions which is ridiculous. It's not even a need for alot of teams. This was also an issue last year.

SDS added the archetypes this year but did not tweak the logic of teams wanting you to switch positions in every game.

Except teams do that all the time. Players move to other positions for a variety of reasons. Sometimes it's so players have versatility (which is what your manager says in game), sometimes it's because they feel a player is blocked. Manny Machado was asked to move to 3B in real life because of JJ Hardy at short. At least in the game you can refuse a permanent move and play how you want.

[Woodweaver]

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Except teams do that all the time. Players move to other positions for a variety of reasons. Sometimes it's so players have versatility (which is what your manager says in game), sometimes it's because they feel a player is blocked. Manny Machado was asked to move to 3B in real life because of JJ Hardy at short. At least in the game you can refuse a permanent move and play how you want.

You can also choose to keep your original archetype if you decide to go with the position change even if it is pointed out that the new position in not typically played by that archetype...your choice.

[Rob_NYY]

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I made a pitcher and after 8 starts in AA I was 6-1 with an ERA just above 2. By far the best stats of any of our starters. Then I got called to the manager's office and was told I was being moved to the closers role. WHY?!

I checked and our closer had 7 saves with an ERA under 1! Why in the world would they replace him with me, their best starter? It makes no sense.

I wish they would stop with these scripted events. Things like this should be done when appropriate and necessary, not just at random times at the start of everyone's career. I felt like blowing saves on purpose to try and get the manager fired!

[King Gro23]

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You can also choose to keep your original archetype if you decide to go with the position change even if it is pointed out that the new position in not typically played by that archetype...your choice.

Except teams do that all the time. Players move to other positions for a variety of reasons. Sometimes it's so players have versatility (which is what your manager says in game), sometimes it's because they feel a player is blocked. Manny Machado was asked to move to 3B in real life because of JJ Hardy at short. At least in the game you can refuse a permanent move and play how you want.

Y'all are aware that after your short stint of moving positions you can move back to your original position? The manager and organization won't limit your playtime or bench you.

Also, the reason you play DH so frequently is because your durability is low. The comp is trying to limit your game action to get you the most AB's. And if you're worried about your fielding you can get tangible upgrades to it during training (the same place pitchers can add new pitches).

All points I made thank you fellas

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[taterskin]

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Not that common for an OF to be moved to 1B in the Minors. Especially star caliber. It's more common on the slow down side of a career after few years in the Majors. There are some guys who are examples but it's not common. Thankfully on my progression it was a 2 week tryout and I was moved back to LF. I did notice afterwards that 1B was added to my secondary positions too.

[extremeskins04]

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You can also choose to keep your original archetype if you decide to go with the position change even if it is pointed out that the new position in not typically played by that archetype...your choice.

So when you change from 3rd baseman to SS, you get to keep your Power Corner archetype?

Can you also please explain why when I was 3rd baseman for the Orioles that it took over 300 plate appearances for me to get called up and then I was suddenly jammed into MLB skipping AAA?

My AA stats were .389 avg, 10 HR's, 42 RBI's, .200 ISO, and a POP of 1.183. I was cleaning house after like 100 plate appearances or so, and kept it going over 300. But then I got jumped straight up to MLB as a starting 3B at 62 OVR while my competition, both Machado and another guy (cant remember name) were both in their 80's OVR and both were at SS.

I wrote a huge bug report on TheShowNation about it. You're evaluated by OVR and not by stats, and I could not see how my AAA competition was doing because there's no stat tracking in the minors so I couldn't tell his performance. I think he was 61 OVR and I was 62. I can't remember. I got bumped to The Show instead of letting me progress in AAA.

Sorry one more thing, I made a Starting Pitcher (archetype Plain Filthy) and after 6 or 7 games my ERA was 1.21 and I had 58 strikeouts averaging almost 10 a game. Then without warning, i got moved from Starting to Long Reliever. I did not get any warning or coach talk about it. It just happened. I bug reported this also. If I was playing like garbage, no problem, but I got replaced by a guy who's ERA was over 6.00 and getting killed out there.

I'm not just pulling these issues out of a hat. They're legitimate problems.

[My993C2]

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I made a pitcher and after 8 starts in AA I was 6-1 with an ERA just above 2. By far the best stats of any of our starters. Then I got called to the manager's office and was told I was being moved to the closers role. WHY?!

I checked and our closer had 7 saves with an ERA under 1! Why in the world would they replace him with me, their best starter? It makes no sense.

I wish they would stop with these scripted events. Things like this should be done when appropriate and necessary, not just at random times at the start of everyone's career. I felt like blowing saves on purpose to try and get the manager fired!

The same thing happened to me with my MLB 17 pitcher. I was re-tasked as the closer for about 5 games, then I got restored as a starter and after one game I was then called up to AAA.

It's just the way it is.

[extremeskins04]

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The same thing happened to me with my MLB 17 pitcher. I was re-tasked as the closer for about 5 games, then I got restored as a AA starter. After one game back as the starter, I was then called up to AAA. It's just the way it is.

I mean there's just no reason for it though. I understand everything "fixes itself" and you go back to the norm whichever that may be. But when you're striking out a ton of batters and your ERA is sub 2.00, you SHOULD NOT be moved ...EVER. No manager would ever move you to a spot if you're hot or doing extremely well in your development.

Like if I'm playing OOTP and managing and building my team and trying to let my players progress. I would absolutely, positively, NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS move a Starting Pitcher who's doing very well in his development in AA to a Closer position just to see "if he fits there", or worse....because we don't have anyone else for that spot. I would be out of my mind to do that to the 18 year old.

It just does not make sense to do.

Not trying to argue with folks in the thread, so please don't think that.

I agree with Rob though. The "scriptedness" in this mode makes me want to throw myself off a tall building. I'm really trying to love the game.

Edit: I'm gonna exit the thread because I'm really starting to sound completely argumentative.

[My993C2]

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I'm gonna exit the thread because I'm really starting to sound completely argumentative.

You're not coming off as argumentative, at least not to me. You have your concerns about the mode. Unfortunately some of your concerns "like the scripting" won't be resolved in this years game as that would be too much of a code change. Perhaps in future years the underlying behavior of RTTS would evolve. But it is what is and we are just going to need to live with it, or find some other mode of the game to play (which includes possibly going back and playing MLB 17).

Trust me I am all over the map here not knowing what to do next. However since Woodweaver tells us the secondary pitch type attribute bug is a known bug and it will be fixed. That makes me less likely to want to restart my pitcher in MLB 17. I may just revisit my exiting AAA pitcher in MLB 17 and for the next little while load up his hitting and fielding skills since he is affiliated with the Pirates organization while I wait for the pending MLB 18 RTTS bug fixes. Plus I have my main MoM Franchise mode to play and it's playing really good in MLB 18.