CPU Manager Hook

[tessl]

Re: CPU Manager Hook

My main gripe with this issue is realism. Turning off DH is NOT an option for me to anyone who expects realism from The Show. The issue I described is deeper than just sometimes they do this and sometimes that.

What I described above is 100% related to CPU logic being off. If others can confirm they experience the same (like I feel I have) I would like for either:

1. SDS to resolve it (preferable)
2. OS Community fix via sliders (acceptable)

However #2 seems unlikely as me changing sliders hasn't yielded proper results, but I could be misdiagnosing the issue.

No offense but everything in your op happens in real life except for mound visits which has been a problem for the cpu in previous editions.

Relief pitchers do sometimes throw 30-50 pitches when the starter gets knocked out early or the team is losing by a significant margin. A reliever "takes one for the team" in order to rest the other relievers. That's not a bug.

They could improve cpu mound visits. On that much we agree.

[Rob_NYY]

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I played a game against the Red Sox and knocked out Pomeranz in the 4th inning with none out, I was up 6-2. They brought in Brian Johnson and he got 3 outs in the 4th. Then in the 5th he gave up 2 runs. I'm now up 8-2. Then in the 6th I really smack him around and score 6 more runs. I'm up 14-2. He gives up a solo HR in the 7th, 15-2. He then gives up 3 more in the 8th, making it 18-2. He pitched a 1-2-3 9th.

Now, my thinking was that they left him in because it was a blowout and they didn't want to waste any other pitchers. He ended up with a line of 6 IP, 12 runs allowed (he threw 80-something pitches). They had relievers warming up from the 5th inning on but never made the move.

This was an exhibition game pre-patch. I didn't have a huge issue with it as sometimes long relievers do "take one for the team." But leaving him in to give up 12 runs seemed a little extreme.

[El_MaYiMbE]

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I played a game against the Red Sox and knocked out Pomeranz in the 4th inning with none out, I was up 6-2. They brought in Brian Johnson and he got 3 outs in the 4th. Then in the 5th he gave up 2 runs. I'm now up 8-2. Then in the 6th I really smack him around and score 6 more runs. I'm up 14-2. He gives up a solo HR in the 7th, 15-2. He then gives up 3 more in the 8th, making it 18-2. He pitched a 1-2-3 9th.

Now, my thinking was that they left him in because it was a blowout and they didn't want to waste any other pitchers. He ended up with a line of 6 IP, 12 runs allowed (he threw 80-something pitches). They had relievers warming up from the 5th inning on but never made the move.

This was an exhibition game pre-patch. I didn't have a huge issue with it as sometimes long relievers do "take one for the team." But leaving him in to give up 12 runs seemed a little extreme.

First of all....I hope the Yankees can smack Brian Johnson around the way the both of us have so far in The Show '18 :-)

What you described is almost EXACTLY my experience.
Pre-patch as well...so still need to dig into post patch results.

[El_MaYiMbE]

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No offense but everything in your op happens in real life except for mound visits which has been a problem for the cpu in previous editions.

Relief pitchers do sometimes throw 30-50 pitches when the starter gets knocked out early or the team is losing by a significant margin. A reliever "takes one for the team" in order to rest the other relievers. That's not a bug.

They could improve cpu mound visits. On that much we agree.

This has happened more than once in non blow out situations. Read #2 in my OP vs Rangers.

Again this was all pre-patch. I have noticed it's better since but cannot confirm if it was even a bug to begin.

However #2 against Rangers was a good example of bad bullpen management.

[countryboy]

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One game update.

Playing the Padres in my season opener. Drew Pomeranz (L) came in to pitch the 8th in relief of Mackenzie Gore who was pinch hit for.

He got Matt Holiday to ground out. Next batter, Magnerius Sierra (L) takes him deep to right with a no doubt homerun to make it 2-0. I'm thinking they are going to pull Pomeranz in favor of the righty to face Piscotty (R). Nope, they let Pomeranz pitch to Piscotty whom he walks. Next up is Carpenter(L). He gets Carpenter to fly out for the 2nd out of the inning. Next up is Grichuk, whom they go get Papelbon to face, and he gets Grichuk to line out for the final out of the inning.

I didn't have a problem with them leaving Pomeranz in to face Piscotty then Carpenter because Carpenter is a lefty who struggles with left handed pitching. Once they got thru Carpenter then they got the righty as you would expect since the next 3 hitters were right handed.

Only one game sample post patch, but that was pretty good management in my opinion.

[El_MaYiMbE]

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One game update.

Playing the Padres in my season opener. Drew Pomeranz (L) came in to pitch the 8th in relief of Mackenzie Gore who was pinch hit for.

He got Matt Holiday to ground out. Next batter, Magnerius Sierra (L) takes him deep to right with a no doubt homerun to make it 2-0. I'm thinking they are going to pull Pomeranz in favor of the righty to face Piscotty (R). Nope, they let Pomeranz pitch to Piscotty whom he walks. Next up is Carpenter(L). He gets Carpenter to fly out for the 2nd out of the inning. Next up is Grichuk, whom they go get Papelbon to face, and he gets Grichuk to line out for the final out of the inning.

I didn't have a problem with them leaving Pomeranz in to face Piscotty then Carpenter because Carpenter is a lefty who struggles with left handed pitching. Once they got thru Carpenter then they got the righty as you would expect since the next 3 hitters were right handed.

Only one game sample post patch, but that was pretty good management in my opinion.

I agree the Manager Hook here was pretty good but isn't Pomeranz a long relief (LRP)? Why is he being brought into a tie game in the 8th? Middle Relief or Setup Man should be in this situation, not an LRP.

I think you are shedding light on another potential issue. They are not bringing the RIGHT guys in to these situation, which causes them to stay too long.

My Bartolo Colon example in the OP is an example of that. They brought in an LRP with 80+ stamina (he is technically a starter). He is going to last longer than a MRP, SU, CP....but he also should not be in the game to begin with. This was before the patch, and since then I have not seen anyone pitch 5 innings out the pen in a close game which is good...

But I am still worried about WHO they are choosing to bring in, which then causes the Manager Hook to be skewed also, as an LRP has more stamina than a normal relief pitcher (normally).

[countryboy]

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I agree the Manager Hook here was pretty good but isn't Pomeranz a long relief (LRP)? Why is he being brought into a tie game in the 8th? Middle Relief or Setup Man should be in this situation, not an LRP.

I think you are shedding light on another potential issue. They are not bringing the RIGHT guys in to these situation, which causes them to stay too long.

My Bartolo Colon example in the OP is an example of that. They brought in an LRP with 80+ stamina (he is technically a starter). He is going to last longer than a MRP, SU, CP....but he also should not be in the game to begin with. This was before the patch, and since then I have not seen anyone pitch 5 innings out the pen in a close game which is good...

But I am still worried about WHO they are choosing to bring in, which then causes the Manager Hook to be skewed also, as an LRP has more stamina than a normal relief pitcher (normally).

In my franchise (a carry over) Pomeranz isn't a LRP. I'm going to double check, but I think he is slotted as one of two Setup men with Papelbon being the other.

[El_MaYiMbE]

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In my franchise (a carry over) Pomeranz isn't a LRP. I'm going to double check, but I think he is slotted as one of two Setup men with Papelbon being the other.

In that case....that is pretty spot on then! lol
Appreciate the feedback!

Again, my OP was pre-patch, and it has been better post (even though I have not confirmed if it was fixed or not).

So hopefully this plus the improvements I seen is enough to consider it resolved....even if the CPU still is the BEST at bullpen management.

[countryboy]

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In that case....that is pretty spot on then! lol
Appreciate the feedback!

Again, my OP was pre-patch, and it has been better post (even though I have not confirmed if it was fixed or not).

So hopefully this plus the improvements I seen is enough to consider it resolved....even if the CPU still is the BEST at bullpen management.

I was incorrect, he is not a set up man, but he's not the long reliever. He is however the only lefty in their pen outside of their closer, so using him in that situation (pitch to Carpenter) still seems like the right call.

And I don't want you to think I'm trying to disprove your initial post, just sharing experiences so if devs or others are reading they can see the various usage of the CPU.

Last year AI bullpen management was pretty poor so its something that I've been watching since playing the game. So far so good, but again my sample size is small.

I'll continue to post my findings.

[King Gro23]

Re: CPU Manager Hook

For what its worth. If conversations are going to continue, things like - Mode,
Carry over or scratch 18', sliders for SP hook or RP hook..

All very important in making assessments

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[countryboy]

Re: CPU Manager Hook

For what its worth. If conversations are going to continue, things like - Mode,
Carry over or scratch 18', sliders for SP hook or RP hook..

All very important in making assessments

Sent from my VS987 using Operation Sports mobile app

Good point.

All of my posts will be based on the following:

Carryover Franchise Mode
Default Sliders

[King Gro23]

Re: CPU Manager Hook

So I have a player lock franchise with a center fielder. Last night I played 7 games. I was focusing on the manager hook and Bullpen specifically. My team is the Athletics and I don't think they have a very strong rotation. That is probably the reason why my starter is longest outing through 7 games was 6 and 1/3 majority were four and five.

The CPU pitch count for starters ranged in between 69 and 104 Garrett Richards went 7 and 2/3 on 104. There even was to sequence where they brought in a left-handed pitcher to face my left-handed batter. The next batter was a righty and they brought a righty in to face him in a to run game in the 8th then proceeded to bring in there closer in the 9th. The team I'm talking about is the angels I was taking screenshots I will post them later. The most pictures I seen you through 7 games was by my team and the angels got to a 5 to 1 lead after three innings we proceeded to use 4 Bullpen pitchers the rest of the game

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[countryboy]

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Default Sliders
Carryover franchise game.


Game 3 vs the Padres.

Anthony Desclafani had a rough go and was lifted after 4 innings. Matt Barnes (LRP) and pitches the 5th. He then comes out and pitches the 6th after a rain delay (he had thrown 18 pitches). During his time on the mound he gave up 2 runs on like 4 hits I believe. In the 7th the Pads get another reliever in (forgot his name..) and then in the 8th they pitched Papelbon.

I think whatever issue there may have been pre-patch, has been cleared up post-patch. Nothing about the Pads use of their bullpen has concerned me. Also keep in mind they, like me, are opening the season by playing 10 days straight, so there is probably going to be times where they leave a pitcher in a batter or an inning longer than normal so that they don't tire out their bullpen.

[ninertravel]

Re: CPU Manager Hook

Advice people change the controller team select and pull the rp problem solved I pretty much manage the CPU bp

[aarondmsu]

Re: CPU Manager Hook

Advice people change the controller team select and pull the rp problem solved I pretty much manage the CPU bp

Umm....wut?