Bunting

[KnightTemplar]

Re: Bunting

I just don't understand why people have such a problem with this vs. the CPU.

I can go into the custom practice and put a runner on first, and sacrifice him over with just about any player by squaring early and pushing a bunt to the first base side - the CPU will nearly always throw to first. You need to hold the button ahead of time before or right after the start of a wind-up - if your player does not square until the pitch is moving then you've waited too long. If you wait too long the game will think you're drag bunting - and it will almost always be a rocket and the CPU WILL throw to 2nd. I won't always get the sac bunt down but it's a pretty high percentage.

That practice mode can mimic actual game situations, so it's going to play out the same way in an actual game.

I agree that bunting for hits is nearly impossible (they need a high drag bunt rating and even then it's a crapshoot), and bunting rarely works vs. another player because they will risk that close play at 2nd every time. But people shouldn't struggle this much with sacrificing vs the CPU.

How do you explain the CPU shooting rockets down the line. Big problem in my franchise. I have to use my house rule and not go for the easy double play and just take the out at first.

[asjdwf21]

Re: Bunting

They are touting a realistic baseball video game and for the most part this is but the immersive effects that it has are quickly thrown out when someone bunts and you are reminded that once again, baseball rules just don't apply here.


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[KnightTemplar]

Re: Bunting

Well, for a previous poster who said people were just "whining". It's not that.

This is NOT the mythical comeback code we're talking about this is something that SDS has admitted to putting in the game. Nobody is looking to get bunt hits all the time, nobody is looking for perfection. Hell, I'd love to see a bunt pop up to the first baseman for an out.

Nemesis said it and he's right. "It's an important situational tool they basically stripped from the game. There is a balance that can be achieved. It went from exploit to irrelevant."

I've "whined" enough about it. SDS should address their admitted inclusion of this into the game for people who don't go online and play as if winning by any means necessary is everything. All I have to say about it.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Bunting

I don’t disagree about what has happened to bunting overall. I am not a fan of this “online” band aid”. Because that is exactly what it is. I am pretty sure it is hard to separate this from online and offline in the coding of the game. I am not a code guy or game developer.....so I could be wrong. But if it were possible I would believe SDS would accommodate us in that regard. Since it has not changed.....I believe it is not fixable for offline play.

Bcruise gave an excellent tip and I will add holding the LS down or at 5/7 o clock for trying to angle the bunts down the line as well and try to give it a “dead/soft effect”.

Even when doing all these things....sometimes the harder “rocket” bunt is unavoidable.

I have learned and practiced bunting a lot since this was introduced to the game. Because prior....it was automatic which was not good on the other extreme.

It’s frustrating but it is not impossible at all. Also like Knight Templar when the CPU hit rocket bunt I do not turn the gimme double play. It is the only house rule I have ever employed on the diamond in this game. Where as in Madden I have at least a half a dozen house rules for game play LMFAO.

[Hipster-Doofus]

Re: Bunting

I just don't understand why people have such a problem with this vs. the CPU.

I can go into the custom practice and put a runner on first, and sacrifice him over with just about any player by squaring early and pushing a bunt to the first base side - the CPU will nearly always throw to first. You need to hold the button ahead of time before or right after the start of a wind-up - if your player does not square until the pitch is moving then you've waited too long. If you wait too long the game will think you're drag bunting - and it will almost always be a rocket and the CPU WILL throw to 2nd. I won't always get the sac bunt down but it's a pretty high percentage.

That practice mode can mimic actual game situations, so it's going to play out the same way in an actual game.

I agree that bunting for hits is nearly impossible (they need a high drag bunt rating and even then it's a crapshoot), and bunting rarely works vs. another player because they will risk that close play at 2nd every time. But people shouldn't struggle this much with sacrificing vs the CPU.

Ok maybe, but I just don’t understand, why not just make bunting work correctly? Why do we have people in here making excuses for it? U just need to do that, then that, than this and it will work. Maybe not work in general, just in that specific case.That shouldn’t even be a thing, just fix it. I don’t want my bunts the exact same as a well hit line drive. Bunting stats are completely meaningless in this game.


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[countryboy]

Re: Bunting

Ok maybe, but I just don’t understand, why not just make bunting work correctly? Why do we have people in here making excuses for it? U just need to do that, then that, than this and it will work. Maybe not work in general, just in that specific case.That shouldn’t even be a thing, just fix it. I don’t want my bunts the exact same as a well hit line drive. Bunting stats are completely meaningless in this game.


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Nobody is making excuses for it. He is trying to help people understand how to bunt in the game this year. Prior to '17, bunting was automatic. It didn't matter who you had attempt a bunt, they would always lay down a perfect, or nearly perfect bunt to either sacrifice the runner over or bunt for a hit.

Nowadays, bunting takes skill, as it should, and the bunt ratings for players actually matter.

[bcruise]

Re: Bunting

How do you explain the CPU shooting rockets down the line. Big problem in my franchise. I have to use my house rule and not go for the easy double play and just take the out at first.

Not sure why you think I need to explain that when it wasn't even what I was talking about (which was the user being unable to sac bunt). Did you gloss over the part where I said it doesn't work in online because users will make a throw to 2nd that the CPU won't try? It's the same when a user is playing the CPU - they're going to able to throw to 2nd even though the CPU won't do it. I feel like there's always going to be some degree of "house-ruling" when playing single-player to deal with situations like that. It needs to be better - no one's saying anything to the contrary. But in the current state of the game you kinda have to limit yourself to how the CPU does things if you want realistic results.

And, this isn't directed at you, but.....rather discouraging that trying to help people with a problem they're having is now seen as "defending" the game....sad, sad state here on OS.

[KnightTemplar]

Re: Bunting

I don’t care about online. Bottom line it’s purely what Nemesis says. Bunting is now irrelevant because of cheats on line getting the attention. Nobody is calling you a defender, or anything else. If your “fix” works for you.....it doesn’t work for everyone and probably not most. I have been playing this game for years and I can’t (nor should I have to) jump thru hoops to get it to work because they are appeasing so many childish on line gamers (end justifies the means).

Bunting is fundamental to this game, not staged. Dead horse beat.

[bcruise]

Re: Bunting

I don’t care about online. Bottom line it’s purely what Nemesis says. Bunting is now irrelevant because of cheats on line getting the attention. Nobody is calling you a defender, or anything else. If your “fix” works for you.....it doesn’t work for everyone and probably not most. I have been playing this game for years and I can’t (nor should I have to) jump thru hoops to get it to work because they are appeasing so many childish on line gamers (end justifies the means).

Bunting is fundamental to this game, not staged. Dead horse beat.

I had someone quote my post (which you liked) that mentioned people "making excuses" for it. How, exactly, am I supposed to take that other than I'm defending the game?

My last post in here. Enjoy your game, or don't.

[countryboy]

Re: Bunting

I can remember a time when people on OS would ask questions and people would help with issues that others were having and that help was appreciated.

Nowadays, helping someone on OS only gets you ridiculed and labeled as a "defender".

Sad

[KnightTemplar]

Re: Bunting

I just don't understand why people have such a problem with this vs. the CPU

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Your own quote. Just practice like you. Sorry it doesn’t work that way. I’ll side with SDS. They screwed it up royal for off line, so just live with it. Oh, I don’t need you to tell me to enjoy it.....or not. I’ve been praising the game in the ‘little things’ thread and ‘impressions’ while also noting some problem areas, but this is not excusable and not even defensible (or in your case not understandable).

[zpq12]

Re: Bunting

Is there a guide for this somewhere? Did I miss it scrolling through the thread?

[countryboy]

Re: Bunting

Is there a guide for this somewhere? Did I miss it scrolling through the thread?

Posts #32 and #34 BCruise gives some very helpful insight

Also you can go into practice mode and work on your bunting


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[DarthRambo]

Re: Bunting

This is frustrating. I am playing a franchise with the Rockies and everytime I try to sac bunt it turns into a double play!

Here's a nice workaround I am going to try. When the pitcher is up in a sac bunt situation I will pause the game and go to quick manage option.

This will allow me to play manager for the at bat and tell him to bunt in a simulated play. Should work!! Actually kinda excited I think I found a way to get sac bunts instead of double plays lol

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[countryboy]

Re: Bunting

I have yet to bunt into a double play. Every time I’ve sacrifice bunted the cpu takes the out at first


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