6th Inning Comeback

[BrianM207]

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I know this is something that has come up in the past....and when it did, I was definitely in the "eye roll" camp. But ill tell ya, I think Ive been swayed! I swear no matter who I have pitching, they CPU always mounts a comeback. My pitchers era's are sky high because of all the high scoring games!

[alston4659]

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Suffered a brutal loss the other day and posted it in the Franchise Discussion thread. Had a 6 run lead in the 9th inning and no matter what pitch I threw it was hit for a triple. Every single pitch. I didn't get a single batter out and ended up losing 12-11. The worst loss I've ever suffered. Comeback code in the 9th??? Maybe lol.

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[Cod]

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tldr; Everyone accusing the game of "scripting" needs to take a step back and understand how sports games implement AI systems.

First, sports games typically utilize a multi-tiered AI system. The high-level AI handles all strategic decision making (CPU decisions when ball not in play). Mid-level AI handles the response system (how a CPU reacts to a hit ball). Finally, low-level AI handles how each individual behaves in relation to the tiers above it (where the 3B setups pre-pitch).

Also, sports games have a lot of information and research to utilize. Baseball in-particular gives AI developers another level of information since baseball teams display easily recognizable patterns (shifts, hit-and-runs, etc.). This leads to players behaving differently in different game situations (inning, pitch count, etc.).

Finally, most sports games on the market today employ some level of adaptive AI. In the case of pitching, you're trying to beat a random number generator (RNG) that is updating itself after every pitch. You may think you're being random, but in actuality, you're not. As far as I know, there is no such thing as "random"...a pattern always exists...it's just, how hard is it to spot?

Cryptography is the perfect example of this. The only truly secure method is through use of a one-time pad (Google it).

EDIT: A co-worker showed me this back when I was in college doing an AI project: https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlike...3g&sh=64dd4f1d

[BrianM207]

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I will say that upping starter stamina did seem to help.

[doubledeuceR6]

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I ran into the starter fatigue last night with a 5-3 lead, I was around 85 pitches and and got 2 quick outs in the 5th and really wanted to get through the 5th to give the starter a shot at the win.......didn't happen as I gave up a single, walk and then a 3 run bomb. That was all fine as I should've just brought a reliever in but I was stubborn.

I have more issue with the 2 out rally, they seem to happen all the time no matter the inning or pitcher stamina. 2 quick outs then bam it takes 30 pitches to get that 3rd out. Anyone else see a lot of 2 out rallies?

[Caulfield]

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This is the longest 6th inning I've ever seen lol

[kinsmen7]

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I ran into the starter fatigue last night with a 5-3 lead, I was around 85 pitches and and got 2 quick outs in the 5th and really wanted to get through the 5th to give the starter a shot at the win.......didn't happen as I gave up a single, walk and then a 3 run bomb. That was all fine as I should've just brought a reliever in but I was stubborn.

I have more issue with the 2 out rally, they seem to happen all the time no matter the inning or pitcher stamina. 2 quick outs then bam it takes 30 pitches to get that 3rd out. Anyone else see a lot of 2 out rallies?

I let up 2 straight hits to the Angels the other night and felt like something similar was about to happen, so I launched a fastball at Mike Trouts head, and then struck out Pujols. Apparently that's how you kill a rally.

Sorry Mike, I still love you...

[KBLover]

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I let up 2 straight hits to the Angels the other night and felt like something similar was about to happen, so I launched a fastball at Mike Trouts head, and then struck out Pujols. Apparently that's how you kill a rally.

Sorry Mike, I still love you...

It's just part of the game, according to Dan Plesac. Pitchers need to be able to pitch inside after all.

So if the purpose pitch got away a bit and leaked towards Trout's head...well he should have ducked.

[Caulfield]

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If your playing a 3 inning quickie, does the comeback happen in the first inning?

[countryboy]

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If your playing a 3 inning quickie, does the comeback happen in the first inning?

I literally laughed out loud at this


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[ninertravel]

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not only does the CPU make a comeback but I always find I can come back in the 6th innings as well. so it isn't just the CPU. mind you the CPU is dumb on their BP management too so I have to manage there so I have a challenge

[alston4659]

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I ran into the starter fatigue last night with a 5-3 lead, I was around 85 pitches and and got 2 quick outs in the 5th and really wanted to get through the 5th to give the starter a shot at the win.......didn't happen as I gave up a single, walk and then a 3 run bomb. That was all fine as I should've just brought a reliever in but I was stubborn.

I have more issue with the 2 out rally, they seem to happen all the time no matter the inning or pitcher stamina. 2 quick outs then bam it takes 30 pitches to get that 3rd out. Anyone else see a lot of 2 out rallies?

Two out rallies are an every game occurence in my franchise. Happens all the time. Two quick outs like you said then that third hitter all of a sudden can't miss the ball. Singles, homers mostly anything to extend the innings. Now I watch alot of baseball and I see it happen irl too but it's very frustrating when it happens in the game. It's like you almost expect it to happen. Which makes the no hitter I threw the other day even more impressive.

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[saucerset]

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I've noticed that if you start the bullpen up between innings, then the pitcher comes out and still pitches good. But if you start it during the inning then he goes to pieces. Or it's the other way around, I can't remember. I also use the mound visit to settle him down. If the CPU is starting what may look like a comeback, then change things up. Slow the game down. Take more time between pitches. Step off the rubber. Do what you can to change the rhythm. At least that's what I try and do.

[My993C2]

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Yes I have notice plenty of times where in games you see two out rallies. But these rallies are not restricted to the sixth inning. But I am highly confident to say there is NO comeback scripting built into the game. As others have mentioned, by the time the sixth inning rolls around the starters are at or are approaching the 100 pitch mark and we know the pitchers do go south very fast in this game when they are at or near their fatigue limits. But it's also usually the third time around the batting order in most games by the time the 5th and 6th innings roll around and while only the SDS devs know what is built into the code for the third time through, we do know in the real world the batters success rates are much higher on their 3rd plate appearances compared to the 1st and 2nd ones.

In all of my Franchise games where I control the pitchers, I am always hoping that my starters can go six or seven innings, but I always have an arm stretching in the bullpen when I get to the 5th and 6th innings just in case the starters get into trouble and need to be pulled early.

[saucerset]

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we do know in the real world the batters success rates are much higher on their 3rd plate appearances compared to the 1st and 2nd ones.

There is an old saying that you never let your starter go more than 3 times through the order. Some say 2, some say 3. I guess it just depends on how the starter did the first 2 times through. The other day my starter only lasted 3 innings and gave up 6 hits and 6 ER. The bullpen came in and only gave up 1 run through the remaining 6 innings. You also have to keep and eye on how the starters accuracy and velocity is compared to the earlier innings. There are way too many variables in this game to say that its predetermined.