9-3 putouts

[kehlis]

Re: 9-3 putouts

I think some people are dismissing this because there is a fix in for the 9-3. Let's move past that for a second though to get to the point Blzer was ultimately trying to get to (and there is an issue).

The problem is that the ball gets to the RF too quickly because there is no friction on the baseball. It never slows down once it gets through the infield. So while the workaround for the 9-3 putout works, it doesn't fix the problem of the ball getting to the right fielder too quickly.

This causes station to station baseball all too frequently (something OS'ers have had issues with over the years). It becomes very difficult to advance to third on a ground ball single to right field.

Sliders help with it but I think that was the ultimate point being brought up.

[Jr.]

Re: 9-3 putouts

I think some people are dismissing this because there is a fix in for the 9-3. Let's move past that for a second though to get to the point Blzer was ultimately trying to get to (and there is an issue).

The problem is that the ball gets to the RF too quickly because there is no friction on the baseball. It never slows down once it gets through the infield. So while the workaround for the 9-3 putout works, it doesn't fix the problem of the ball getting to the right fielder too quickly.

This causes station to station baseball all too frequently (something OS'ers have had issues with over the years). It becomes very difficult to advance to third on a ground ball single to right field.

Sliders help with it but I think that was the ultimate point being brought up.

The friction point is interesting because on ground balls down the line, you see friction pretty strong as the ball rarely gets to the fence. This is also an issue with the outfielders' positioning as their "normal" position is too close to the line so they can cut those hits off more easily.

I think that positioning is another issue with the 9-3 putout situation. Since right fielders are lined up "normal" closer to 1st base, the shorter throw combines with the other issues that have been described.

[countryboy]

Re: 9-3 putouts

I think some people are dismissing this because there is a fix in for the 9-3. Let's move past that for a second though to get to the point Blzer was ultimately trying to get to (and there is an issue).

The problem is that the ball gets to the RF too quickly because there is no friction on the baseball. It never slows down once it gets through the infield. So while the workaround for the 9-3 putout works, it doesn't fix the problem of the ball getting to the right fielder too quickly.

This causes station to station baseball all too frequently (something OS'ers have had issues with over the years). It becomes very difficult to advance to third on a ground ball single to right field.

Sliders help with it but I think that was the ultimate point being brought up.

I'm able to go first to third with average speed and above runners when the ball isn't hit directly at the right fielder. If he has to move towards the gap or towards the line I'm able to take the chance and go first to third, sometimes successfully and other times I do get thrown out depending on the ratings of the runner speed and the fielder's arm.

I guess I'm not understanding exactly what you are referring to in terms of not being able to go first to third on a single to right field.

I'll try to remember to post videos of when I do this, both successfully and unsuccessfully to show what I am seeing.

[kehlis]

Re: 9-3 putouts

I'm able to go first to third with average speed and above runners when the ball isn't hit directly at the right fielder. If he has to move towards the gap or towards the line I'm able to take the chance and go first to third, sometimes successfully and other times I do get thrown out depending on the ratings of the runner speed and the fielder's arm.

I guess I'm not understanding exactly what you are referring to in terms of not being able to go first to third on a single to right field.

I'll try to remember to post videos of when I do this, both successfully and unsuccessfully to show what I am seeing.

I'm not talking about the scenario you describe above. I have no issues there.

I'm talking about the lack of a good chance for a fast runner to move from first to third on a slow grounder to the right fielder right at them because I've never seen a slow grounder to right fielder. They are always rockets with no friction.

Jr. makes a good point as well about their positioning.

[Blzer]

Re: 9-3 putouts

I'll try to remember to post videos of when I do this, both successfully and unsuccessfully to show what I am seeing.

I don't record many videos at all and my slider set has probably changed since here (but not by much if you find old threads on them).

Here is one that has less to do with the friction and more to do with the outfield positioning and charging (the runner on first base is Gerardo Parra, by the way):

https://youtu.be/dR_WdQfzefw?t=2m50s

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I'll either record more videos or find others on YouTube, but the problem with other players is they wouldn't play with the same slider set as I do (they would likely be on default, actually).

To be fair, there is no automatic guarantee that a player should be able to go first to third on a base hit to right field.

It's just a combination of things, though. The game has improved ball physics a lot, but ground physics still leave a lot to be desired. There needs to be differentiation between dirt and grass, and the game needs top spin hits again so that those balls down the line can reach the fence when needed as well. Then of course there is the outfield positioning and "charging" of balls.

[countryboy]

Re: 9-3 putouts

I appreciate the video but a lot has changed in the game from '12 to '18, especially as you mentioned the ball physics. Also defense and hit variety have changed which would influence the outcome of these plays.

Who was the right fielder in this video?

[Ace1234NY]

Re: 9-3 putouts

Okay, finally got around to linking my PS account to YouTube. Here's 2 videos showing what I'm talking about.

First one is a hard grounder to RF. The hit causes my runner at first to jump back to avoid the ball. That delays him enough to allow a 9-6 putout at 2nd.

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Second video is a bloop just over the 2nd baseman's head. It's a very close play and the 2nd baseman makes a diving attempt to catch the ball. Therefore I have to wait until he misses it to take off for 2nd. By the time I can start running, it's too late. The RF throws me out at 2nd.

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These are just two examples, but this is something that happens a few times a month in my Franchise games. Though I'm on offense in both videos, I also get the CPU sometimes the same way. Both videos come from right field, but this can happen on balls hit to left or center as well. This is something I pretty much never see in real life, much like the 9-3 putout. But it's all too common in The Show. So the point is that something is off here when outfielders can get the ball to a base so quickly, and just taking the 1st baseman off 1st doesn't solve it.

[Jr.]

Re: 9-3 putouts

Okay, finally got around to linking my PS account to YouTube. Here's 2 videos showing what I'm talking about.

First one is a hard grounder to RF. The hit causes my runner at first to jump back to avoid the ball. That delays him enough to allow a 9-6 putout at 2nd.

<iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/stz_suRC_oU" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen="" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0"></iframe>

Second video is a bloop just over the 2nd baseman's head. It's a very close play and the 2nd baseman makes a diving attempt to catch the ball. Therefore I have to wait until he misses it to take off for 2nd. By the time I can start running, it's too late. The RF throws me out at 2nd.

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These are just two examples, but this is something that happens a few times a month in my Franchise games. Though I'm on offense in both videos, I also get the CPU sometimes the same way. Both videos come from right field, but this can happen on balls hit to left or center as well. This is something I pretty much never see in real life, much like the 9-3 putout. But it's all too common in The Show. So the point is that something is off here when outfielders can get the ball to a base so quickly, and just taking the 1st baseman off 1st doesn't solve it.

These plays are a direct result of the inability for baserunners to slightly expand on the basepath. In real life, runners will continue to slowly move toward the next base as they determine the likelihood of the play being made until they know it's a hit or an out. In the game, you're either running full speed to a bag, or stopped. There is no in between. That makes those close plays play out unrealistically in the game.

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[countryboy]

Re: 9-3 putouts

Okay, finally got around to linking my PS account to YouTube. Here's 2 videos showing what I'm talking about.

First one is a hard grounder to RF. The hit causes my runner at first to jump back to avoid the ball. That delays him enough to allow a 9-6 putout at 2nd.

<iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/stz_suRC_oU" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen="" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0"></iframe>

Second video is a bloop just over the 2nd baseman's head. It's a very close play and the 2nd baseman makes a diving attempt to catch the ball. Therefore I have to wait until he misses it to take off for 2nd. By the time I can start running, it's too late. The RF throws me out at 2nd.

<iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/2LsHh4Y83LI" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen="" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0"></iframe>

These are just two examples, but this is something that happens a few times a month in my Franchise games. Though I'm on offense in both videos, I also get the CPU sometimes the same way. Both videos come from right field, but this can happen on balls hit to left or center as well. This is something I pretty much never see in real life, much like the 9-3 putout. But it's all too common in The Show. So the point is that something is off here when outfielders can get the ball to a base so quickly, and just taking the 1st baseman off 1st doesn't solve it.

I personally don't see an issue with either video.

Video 1 - the ball is hit basically right at the runner. Other than leaping over the ball which would also slow him down, he did the only thing he could do, which is wait for the ball to pass.

Video 2 - I don't have an issue with the runner not getting further off of first on that hit. Given where the ball was and how close the 2B came to actually making the play, if he gets further off first base and the 2B catches it, then the chances of him being doubled off first I think are about the same as him getting thrown out at 2nd. At least by being cautious he keeps a runner at first base.

Just my .02

[HolyStroke3]

Re: 9-3 putouts

I got my first 9-3 in a few years yesterday. Like previously stated, my defense was shifted which much override the 1B doesn't cover the bag logic.

Hard liner just out of reach of the shifted 2B, Stephen Piscotty takes it on one hop and the throw just beats the runner to first. Blanking on who the hitter was, I think one of Texas' 20 lefties

[nemesis04]

Re: 9-3 putouts

Okay, finally got around to linking my PS account to YouTube. Here's 2 videos showing what I'm talking about.

First one is a hard grounder to RF. The hit causes my runner at first to jump back to avoid the ball. That delays him enough to allow a 9-6 putout at 2nd.

<iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/stz_suRC_oU" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen="" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0"></iframe>

Second video is a bloop just over the 2nd baseman's head. It's a very close play and the 2nd baseman makes a diving attempt to catch the ball. Therefore I have to wait until he misses it to take off for 2nd. By the time I can start running, it's too late. The RF throws me out at 2nd.

<iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/2LsHh4Y83LI" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen="" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0"></iframe>

These are just two examples, but this is something that happens a few times a month in my Franchise games. Though I'm on offense in both videos, I also get the CPU sometimes the same way. Both videos come from right field, but this can happen on balls hit to left or center as well. This is something I pretty much never see in real life, much like the 9-3 putout. But it's all too common in The Show. So the point is that something is off here when outfielders can get the ball to a base so quickly, and just taking the 1st baseman off 1st doesn't solve it.

It has been a perennial problem in this series for a while. Runners break too slow and fielders react too fast. In those videos the right fielders reacted instantly off the bat as if they immediately knew they were making a play on the ball. Also the right fielder crow hopping in that one video on a throw to second is pretty funny.

[Blzer]

Re: 9-3 putouts

It has been a perennial problem in this series for a while. Runners break too slow and fielders react too fast. In those videos the right fielders reacted instantly off the bat as if they immediately knew they were making a play on the ball.

Well, then... why are you okay with them not addressing this? Don't you think this could help the whole "Let's move the first baseman off the bag" thing?

That's the point I've been making this whole time. This game has underlying issues that, if addressed, could resolve the 9-3 putout problem.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

Re: 9-3 putouts

Well, then... why are you okay with them not addressing this? Don't you think this could help the whole "Let's move the first baseman off the bag" thing?

That's the point I've been making this whole time. This game has underlying issues that, if addressed, could resolve the 9-3 putout problem.

I'm confused because I don't see where he said he was ok with it (or was not ok with it... ). Looked to me more like he was just making observations. Unless i missed an earlier post, which is possible. Either way, i would love to see them fix whatever causes this also, but until they do, i like that the first baseman doesn't usually cover. Even though i personally wouldn't try anyway.

[Blzer]

Re: 9-3 putouts

I'm confused because I don't see where he said he was ok with it (or was not ok with it... ). Looked to me more like he was just making observations. Unless i missed an earlier post, which is possible.

CB's entire opinion in this thread in response to my posts is centered around what you're saying below:

Either way, i would love to see them fix whatever causes this also, but until they do, i like that the first baseman doesn't usually cover. Even though i personally wouldn't try anyway.

I'm more in the camp of: "Just get it fixed. No more band-aids. It causes several issues in this game, not just the 9-3 putout."

[nemesis04]

Re: 9-3 putouts

Well, then... why are you okay with them not addressing this? Don't you think this could help the whole "Let's move the first baseman off the bag" thing?

That's the point I've been making this whole time. This game has underlying issues that, if addressed, could resolve the 9-3 putout problem.

Who ever said I was ok with them not addressing it?