CPU Outfielder Routes

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

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Blatent Outfield miscues are pretty rare in MLB

Unless you're the Orioles

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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I actually meant I see both sides of the "personal attacks" situation. I haven't given too much thought to the outfield routes other than I see that they're not always perfect. I just don't like that when they play a carom, it's a dead giveaway that my ball is not going to go out.

Oh ok

Well if ive attacked anyone personally it was unintentional, and i still dont know exactly what it would have been. I really dont see any reason for any personal attacks on here... i am more confused than anything.

I guess stating my opinion of the game could be considered a personal attack, but if that is the case, then i get attacked all the time, i just dont view it as an attack i guess.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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Unless you're the Orioles

Lol good point.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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I just don't like that when they play a carom, it's a dead giveaway that my ball is not going to go out.

Agreed. It is a dead giveaway.

[AUTiger1]

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This is completely uncalled for man.

After your initial post, he attempted to help. I asked those seeing issues to post videos so that those of us not having the issue, or seeing it, can see what you're seeing an attempt to help.

I've played over 200 games thus far and I haven't seen an issue with inside the park homeruns (I've hit one and the cpu has one against me), nor have I seen the issues that VG has been posting about.

If people aren't seeing what you're seeing, show them what you're seeing. People have the capability to provide video of issues they are seeing, I don't understand why they don't use it.

Exactly. Like I said, I haven't seen any on 18 and that's even with baserunner speed up 1 notch from default. It's not hard to post a video.

[AUTiger1]

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Here's a couple of fielding issues I just had happen to me in the same inning and to say I'm not happy is an understatement. The first one, my field never reacted to the ball. He just ran and the ball went right passed him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoqF-S7dqwc

The next one, again in the same inning, the ball goes right through my catcher like he's not even there and Trout scores the tying run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLXrbN3L3aI

I feel like I did nothing wrong here but I got screwed.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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Here's a couple of fielding issues I just had happen to me in the same inning and to say I'm not happy is an understatement. The first one, my field never reacted to the ball. He just ran and the ball went right passed him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoqF-S7dqwc

The next one, again in the same inning, the ball goes right through my catcher like he's not even there and Trout scores the tying run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLXrbN3L3aI

I feel like I did nothing wrong here but I got screwed.

Yeah that stinks. I have seen something similar before, by infielders. Its not very often, but it definitely stinks when that happens. Some may say its the route, but i think even at that route the animation should kick in. I do wish they would focus on things like that going forward. Seems like it should be an easy fix, since it usually works anyway.

With the catcher, i haven't seen that happen, but i also haven't replayed many WP's. So it's very likely it has happened and i didn't see it. It's hard to tell from the angle, but did it hit his glove? and bounce of it, through his body, toward the backstop/dugout/first base?

[bcruise]

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Here's a couple of fielding issues I just had happen to me in the same inning and to say I'm not happy is an understatement. The first one, my field never reacted to the ball. He just ran and the ball went right passed him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoqF-S7dqwc

The next one, again in the same inning, the ball goes right through my catcher like he's not even there and Trout scores the tying run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLXrbN3L3aI

I feel like I did nothing wrong here but I got screwed.

I'm not going to say the first one was okay, but I can explain to you why it happened, with the way the game handles things like this with its animations.

Even though it's in slow motion this looks like a pretty hard-hit ball, and that one step forward you took instead of just keeping the straight-line movement was enough for the game to not trigger a fielding animation. I've found that this can happen on hard-hit balls more frequently. If the ball was hit as hard as I think it was, there was no need to try and charge it - you would have still thrown the runner out by plenty. It's very hard to get used to just following the line the game starts a fielder on, especially on infield grounders like this - but it really does cut down a lot of plays like this if you can do it. In general, when the user starts trying to improvise off of what the game is guiding you to, things go south. That's why this kind of thing usually doesn't happen on auto fielding, or to the CPU.

I REPEAT: Regardless of anything the user does, I don't think the game handled that situation well. I'm not posting this to bash or defend - only what I know from my own experience and time with the game.

I don't have a comment on the second one because without seeing it play out live I don't like to take anything that happens at the plate - pitching/batting/catcher - based only on replay. It's the same kind of thing where if you look at bat-to-ball contact on replay and it looks unnatural - I think there's too much going on around the plate for the replay to accurately depict it.

[AUTiger1]

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Yeah that stinks. I have seen something similar before, by infielders. Its not very often, but it definitely stinks when that happens. Some may say its the route, but i think even at that route the animation should kick in. I do wish they would focus on things like that going forward. Seems like it should be an easy fix, since it usually works anyway.

With the catcher, i haven't seen that happen, but i also haven't replayed many WP's. So it's very likely it has happened and i didn't see it. It's hard to tell from the angle, but did it hit his glove? and bounce of it, through his body, toward the backstop/dugout/first base?

It bounced in the dirt, off his glove and right through him towards the backstop far enough away for Trout to score from 3rd. It was just like he wasn't even there.

[AUTiger1]

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I'm not going to say the first one was okay, but I can explain to you why it happened, with the way the game handles things like this with its animations.

Even though it's in slow motion this looks like a pretty hard-hit ball, and that one step forward you took instead of just keeping the straight-line movement was enough for the game to not trigger a fielding animation. I've found that this can happen on hard-hit balls more frequently. If the ball was hit as hard as I think it was, there was no need to try and charge it - you would have still thrown the runner out by plenty. It's very hard to get used to just following the line the game starts a fielder on, especially on infield grounders like this - but it really does cut down a lot of plays like this if you can do it. In general, when the user starts trying to improvise off of what the game is guiding you to, things go south. That's why this kind of thing usually doesn't happen on auto fielding, or to the CPU.

I REPEAT: Regardless of anything the user does, I don't think the game handled that situation well. I'm not posting this to bash or defend - only what I know from my own experience and time with the game.

I don't have a comment on the second one because without seeing it play out live I don't like to take anything that happens at the plate - pitching/batting/catcher - based only on replay. It's the same kind of thing where if you look at bat-to-ball contact on replay and it looks unnatural - I think there's too much going on around the plate for the replay to accurately depict it.

I would say it was about an 80/90 mph hit. Not a total rocket. The reason I took the line I did was because I was going for the double play and Trout was running and he's got good speed. So I was attempting to charge the ball instead of waiting for it to come to me so that I would still have time to turn the double play. Had I only been concerned with getting the out at 1st I wouldn't have cut it off the way I did.


I will say, that I don't have the normal issues playing balls off the wall that others do. I've learned to read them pretty well and take the right angle to it. I wish I would have recorded it because it was a thing of beauty.

[AUTiger1]

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Sometimes, well, you're just unlucky, and that is what happened to me in the 9th inning and I lost 5-4. I gave up 2 doubles that looked like near identical replays. Both right down the 3rd baseline just inside the bag. Take a look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caPLjHybLxw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83juKIyWC6Y

I also had a game I played several months ago with a couple of Mets bloopers in it. This is just for you Mets fans!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHaCn02RZ74

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iGNK0S02Qw

[nemesis04]

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Sometimes, well, you're just unlucky, and that is what happened to me in the 9th inning and I lost 5-4. I gave up 2 doubles that looked like near identical replays. Both right down the 3rd baseline just inside the bag. Take a look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caPLjHybLxw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83juKIyWC6Y

I also had a game I played several months ago with a couple of Mets bloopers in it. This is just for you Mets fans!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHaCn02RZ74

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iGNK0S02Qw

After the first double you should have had the corners guard the lines.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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After the first double you should have had the corners guard the lines.

Yeah exactly, sometimes what we consider bad luck could be prevented with some fundamentals.

If the game was tied 4-4 going into the 9th (i might have missed some details), I would say guard the lines for the first hitter, since he represented the go-ahead run. Then - play straight up for the next hitter, if the first batter still hit a double.

[AUTiger1]

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After the first double you should have had the corners guard the lines.

Dammit. You're right. I get so caught up in just pitching that I never check the defense because it takes so much time for me to do. I just assume that the AI would be smart enough to do that. There's so much where the AI comes up short of where we need it to be.

[AUTiger1]

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Yeah exactly, sometimes what we consider bad luck could be prevented with some fundamentals.

If the game was tied 4-4 going into the 9th (i might have missed some details), I would say guard the lines for the first hitter, since he represented the go-ahead run. Then - play straight up for the next hitter, if the first batter still hit a double.

Yes. I know. Fundamentals that should be built into the game. I really need to get into the habit of checking the defense. It's just that it takes forever to play these games, an hour or so, and if I start checking the defense for every batter and every situation to make sure the AI isn't going to screw me over then we're talking about hour and a half to play a single game. I don't have the time or patience for that. It's bad enough as is.