MLB the show 19 or BUST

[nemesis04]

Re: MLB the show 19 or BUST

I bought the digital version of 18 for the early play weekend and never opened it when I found out season mode was removed. Not once this whole year have I opened the app and won’t. No way I would even think of preordering 19 even if season mode was put back. A total wait and see approach with this title now because they have shown they will take major things out and not even mention it.

[mlblover15]

Re: MLB the show 19 or BUST

Well, I hate to say it, but has SDS turned into EA Sports.. or just EA in their approach to this series... cash flow in the game, meaning microtransactions and grinding... come on... this is baseball not some single player first person shooter.

I can remember when this series was going up against 2K and was always getting better year after year. now that they are the only game in town... do they seem to care as much as they used too... well yes they do about their beloved DD mode and all that...

However,, for us franchise guys... that have played this game since the beginning and have never waivered... they make no real extra cash off us as they do the DD folks... so they care for that mode is not as important as the DD crowd...


This is why for years now I believe it would be greatly more beneficial to companies and players that they come out with two versions of the game... one for online only and one for offline only.

if they did him on separate discs they could VASTLY increase the amount of stuff put into each mode separately. think about this... do you REALLY think that DD and FRanchise get exactly 25 Gigs apiece on the disc they are currently on? I think it is more 35 Gigs for online DD mode and 15 Gigs for the franchise...

[countryboy]

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I keep seeing this talk about releasing two versions of the game, but how is that beneficial? First and foremost, it is the same number of developers working on the game in same exact time frame. You still have devs assigned to franchise, devs assigned to DD, devs assigned to RTTS, and devs assigned to gameplay. Releasing two different versions of the game doesn't change any of this. I don't think space is an issue as it is resources (time and developers)

And how is releasing two versions beneficial to the players? Especially those who like to play RTTS, DD, and Franchise? Are you really going to make them pay for two separate games just to play all the modes they want to play? And if you bundle it, are you really going to ask for those that want to play multiple modes to pay more than those that only want to play a single mode? And how is SDS supposed to draw in new customers when they would have to buy multiple versions of the same game, or pay more for a bundled version that includes all the modes?

And then what price point does SDS release these games at? How do they determine how many of each version to make? How do they offset the additional cost of marketing, packaging, and producing two versions of essentially the same game? I don't see SDS, or any video game company, cutting their profit margins to release two versions of the same game.

I keep seeing this idea of releasing two versions of the game and how it will magically solve all of the issues that the community has with the game, but I don't see it doing that. I actually see it creating more problems and running a HUGE risk of killing off any chance of attracting new customers.

[Cod]

Re: MLB the show 19 or BUST

As much as I agree with y'all, I don't think we're going to see any leaps forward until a third-party comes along and gets the third-party license. Is that going to happen...probably not as licensing is expensive, especially for sports leagues.

There is a light at the end of the tunnel though, Konami is developing a new Pro Yakyuu Spirits for a 2019 release. Yes, its Japanese baseball, but in the past the PYS-series offered the best gameplay, depth, etc..

[RoyceDa59]

Re: MLB the show 19 or BUST

As much as I agree with y'all, I don't think we're going to see any leaps forward until a third-party comes along and gets the third-party license. Is that going to happen...probably not as licensing is expensive, especially for sports leagues.

There is a light at the end of the tunnel though, Konami is developing a new Pro Yakyuu Spirits for a 2019 release. Yes, its Japanese baseball, but in the past the PYS-series offered the best gameplay, depth, etc..

I didn't know this! Huge news as I thought the series was dead, I will definitely be purchasing this next year.

[mlblover15]

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GTA 5 two discs... one for online... one for offline... open world... it can be done... oh and it is still selling copies to this very day!! oh and it was only $59.99 at release

[countryboy]

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GTA 5 two discs... one for online... one for offline... open world... it can be done... oh and it is still selling copies to this very day!! oh and it was only $59.99 at release

GTA 5 online released in June of this year.... nearly 4 years AFTER the initial release of the regular/normal edition.

It also contains the offline experience for those that want to play it. It also includes the expansion and DLC that has been released over the lifespan of the game.

Apples and oranges my friend.

[FairBolFL]

Re: MLB the show 19 or BUST

MLB The Show is getting stale. I need to see new and fresh ideas injected into the game.

More classic stadiums. GIVE US MORE CLASSIC STADIUMS!!

[mlblover15]

Re: MLB the show 19 or BUST

We need a deeper dynamic commentary and presentation. I watch a TON of baseball every year including the postseason and overall presentation for this game is way less than anything we see on tv or even listen to the radio during the season.

for example, every pitcher does not work at the same speed. we need extremely varied speeds for every pitcher in the game. we need way more cutscenes during games

if I were on the dev team for the franchise I would be taking copious notes while watching every game I could throughout the season. every time the camera changed to a cutscene or whatever. we need much deeper immersion.

taking notes on commentary every game stats overlays, how they talk about stats etc. etc.

[dbekoscke]

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More classic stadiums. GIVE US MORE CLASSIC STADIUMS!!

Tiger Stadium! I remember watching my Tribe play in Tiger Stadium against the Tigers. This was in the late 90s, watching as a 10 or 11 year old on an SD tube TV at home. I remember Tigers had Bobby Higginson.... ahhhhh... memories.

I always, and still do, loved those old baseball parks!

[BeatArmy]

Re: MLB the show 19 or BUST

More classic stadiums: Tiger Stadium (which those who miss Riverfront and Three Rivers can also play!), Exhibition Stadium, Candlestick, the Mistake by the Lake, Fulton County would be nice starts.

Retro unis: there have to be more if you're going to offer them. Nobody liked the Jays '00 ones but the black ones are still evident in Canada.

For those wishing for "see new and fresh ideas injected into the game", I hope you never get what you're asking for. Then you get Madden and it's constantly broken gameplay because they created something and never tested it/played it out. I haven't bought a Madden since PC 08.

Fielding animations, being locked in them and a lack of disparity kills this game. If Trumbo is in right, he needs to miss balls heading to the gap. If Pillar and Kiermaier are in CF, they need to be visible different than a 2020 Jacoby Ellsbury.

Regression and progression are messed up. Older guys having massive seasons get no ratings love. Guys are losing ratings points at 28 and 29 in their prime. Starters cannot get more stamina no matter how you train them. There is no "stretching out" of a pitcher.

Franchise AI needs serious help. At the start of my now 2021 franchise, the Nationals had 4 catchers and an OF as their bench. This worked just fine in MLB 12 and now it's a failure.

I love the game but I want to see better and even more so at $80/year on the base model.

[jeffy777]

Re: MLB the show 19 or BUST

Online co-op really needs to come back.

Now this is turning into s wishlist thread, but I do agree with the original sentiment to a degree.

[BigOrangeVol4Life]

Re: MLB the show 19 or BUST

I keep seeing this talk about releasing two versions of the game, but how is that beneficial? First and foremost, it is the same number of developers working on the game in same exact time frame. You still have devs assigned to franchise, devs assigned to DD, devs assigned to RTTS, and devs assigned to gameplay. Releasing two different versions of the game doesn't change any of this. I don't think space is an issue as it is resources (time and developers)

And how is releasing two versions beneficial to the players? Especially those who like to play RTTS, DD, and Franchise? Are you really going to make them pay for two separate games just to play all the modes they want to play? And if you bundle it, are you really going to ask for those that want to play multiple modes to pay more than those that only want to play a single mode? And how is SDS supposed to draw in new customers when they would have to buy multiple versions of the same game, or pay more for a bundled version that includes all the modes?

And then what price point does SDS release these games at? How do they determine how many of each version to make? How do they offset the additional cost of marketing, packaging, and producing two versions of essentially the same game? I don't see SDS, or any video game company, cutting their profit margins to release two versions of the same game.

I keep seeing this idea of releasing two versions of the game and how it will magically solve all of the issues that the community has with the game, but I don't see it doing that. I actually see it creating more problems and running a HUGE risk of killing off any chance of attracting new customers.

Sell each version for $44.99 or both as a bundle for $59.99 and hire more developers. The biggest problem I see is with patches. When a problem is solved with a patch, it seems to damage something else. When that's addressed, something else goes wrong. It seems to be a space issue. Why not have a lot of open space from the beginning for new features, better animation, more commentary, improved AI, etc? If a problem arises, a patch can be released and fixes it while not effecting other parts of the game that need to be left alone.

Sony isn't some small company on the verge of going bankrupt. They could easily figure out the best way to produce 2 versions and market them. I read where many have stopped buying the game 2 or 3 years ago. If you make revolutionary changes, I bet those players come back.

[countryboy]

MLB the show 19 or BUST

Sell each version for $44.99 or both as a bundle for $59.99 and hire more developers. The biggest problem I see is with patches. When a problem is solved with a patch, it seems to damage something else. When that's addressed, something else goes wrong. It seems to be a space issue. Why not have a lot of open space from the beginning for new features, better animation, more commentary, improved AI, etc? If a problem arises, a patch can be released and fixes it while not effecting other parts of the game that need to be left alone.



Sony isn't some small company on the verge of going bankrupt. They could easily figure out the best way to produce 2 versions and market them. I read where many have stopped buying the game 2 or 3 years ago. If you make revolutionary changes, I bet those players come back.

So the solution is to increase cost (production of three games, marketing of three games, packaging of three games and hiring more developers) but sale the games at a cheaper cost or same cost as the game we are getting now (one disc with all the content)?

Why would Sony add costs and cut profit margin? That is poor business.

And what do they gain? How many more sales will this generate? Will the extra sales offset the decreased profit margin and increased cost?

And again time cannot be bought. You only have a finite amount of time to develop the game. And has it be made known that space is an issue? And how does developing three separate games cure the “issue” of a patch fixing one thing and breaking another?

Sony isn’t on the brink of going bankrupt but they are in business to be profitable and the idea of developing additional skus for essentially the same game cuts into that plan.

And I agree making changes to get some of the lost business back is the goal, but I don’t think they need to develop three separate skus to obtain that goal.



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[BigOrangeVol4Life]

Re: MLB the show 19 or BUST

So the solution is to increase cost (production of three games, marketing of three games, packaging of three games and hiring more developers) but sale the games at a cheaper cost or same cost as the game we are getting now (one disc with all the content)?

Why would Sony add costs and cut profit margin? That is poor business.

And what do they gain? How many more sales will this generate? Will the extra sales offset the decreased profit margin and increased cost?

And again time cannot be bought. You only have a finite amount of time to develop the game. And has it be made known that space is an issue? And how does developing three separate games cure the “issue” of a patch fixing one thing and breaking another?

Sony isn’t on the brink of going bankrupt but they are in business to be profitable and the idea of developing additional skus for essentially the same game cuts into that plan.

And I agree making changes to get some of the lost business back is the goal, but I don’t think they need to develop three separate skus to obtain that goal.



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2 games. One is a franchise edition (offline and online). The other is for diamond dynasty, road to the show, etc. Sony wouldn't be making 2 completely different games where they'd have to start from scratch on one. The cost and time wouldn't be a burden. I read once that discs game producers use cost around a dollar compared to much more expensive cartridges used by Nintendo. The gameplay, sound, physics, and graphics would be shared. The main difference would be the options and free space to add additional content and help the patches be more effective.