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  • countryboy
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    • Sep 2003
    • 52727

    #16
    Re: Create a Stadium?

    Originally posted by underdog13
    My question is if they don't have a AAA sized dev team. Why is the game $60.

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    Because the market has shown that the consumer is willing to pay $60 for this product.

    And let’s not pretend this is some bare bones, average product that is only being bought because it has the MLB license. The game is good.


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    • underdog13
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      • Apr 2012
      • 3222

      #17
      Re: Create a Stadium?

      Originally posted by countryboy
      Because the market has shown that the consumer is willing to pay $60 for this product.

      And let’s not pretend this is some bare bones, average product that is only being bought because it has the MLB license. The game is good.


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      I agree about the market part. But the game just hasn't been churning out $60 worth of improvements the past 3-4 years imo.

      The game is very solid, but the innovation has been lacking.

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      • countryboy
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        • Sep 2003
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        #18
        Re: Create a Stadium?

        Originally posted by underdog13
        I agree about the market part. But the game just hasn't been churning out $60 worth of improvements the past 3-4 years imo.

        The game is very solid, but the innovation has been lacking.

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        Then wait until the game is on sale a price point that you feel is fair for the amount of improvements that the current year has added.

        But again, the market has shown that that the consumer feels there is enough change/improvement from one year to the next to continue to strongly support the game at a $60 price point.
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        • Lisac
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          • Aug 2013
          • 1818

          #19
          Re: Create a Stadium?

          Just because the comment Im going to post by no means does this not make me a HUGE fan of The Show- But
          We will NEVER get a Create A Stadium in The Show
          They tease us with comments and reasons why and why not but Ill give you the Why Not and its pretty easy- No Competition!
          Just like Madden they dont have to push the envelope, its either buy the game "THEY" want us to play or you dont play a baseball game. They rather tinker with ball physics or a new tag system (that quarter of time didnt work) or add Retro Mode (which Im sure half of us if not more didnt even bother with) than give us fans what we truly want CreateAStadium/Relocation!
          Regardless love The Show and still gets the most play out of all my games but we deserve this as loyal and supporting fans!
          Last edited by Lisac; 11-23-2018, 04:22 PM.

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          • countryboy
            Growing pains
            • Sep 2003
            • 52727

            #20
            Re: Create a Stadium?

            I'm sorry but claiming they aren't adding Create A Stadium/Expansion/Relocation due to No Competition is a cop out/easy way out complaint against the development team just because something you want isn't in the game.

            If they truly stopped caring because they are the only MLB game in town (which they aren't) then why do they continue to add things to the game that the community has requested?

            Some things this community over the years has requested that's been added:

            * Carryover Saves
            * New Tag System (you mentioned)
            * Ball Physics (you mentioned)
            * New Pitching Mechanics
            * New Hitting Mechanics
            * Rain Delays
            * Authentic Player Gear
            * New Animations
            * New Player Models
            * Batting Stance Creator
            * Fixed Bunting (apparently worked on for 2019)
            * Fog/Weather

            There are more, but I'll leave it at that.

            They've answered and given their reason why Expasion/Relocation/Create a Stadium hasn't been included yet. Whether you agree or disagree with their reason, is up to you. But to ask why it hasn't been included, and then dismiss the answer and claim ulterior motives, is unfair, and given the additions to the game over the years lobbied for by the community, unfounded.
            Last edited by countryboy; 11-23-2018, 04:17 PM.
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            • Lisac
              MVP
              • Aug 2013
              • 1818

              #21
              Re: Create a Stadium?

              Originally posted by countryboy
              I'm sorry but claiming they aren't adding Create A Stadium/Expansion/Relocation due to No Competition is a cop out/easy way out complaint against the development team just because something you want isn't in the game.

              If they truly stopped caring because they are the only MLB game in town (which they aren't) then why do they continue to add things to the game that the community has requested?

              Some things this community over the years has requested that's been added:

              * Carryover Saves
              * New Tag System (you mentioned)
              * Ball Physics (you mentioned)
              * New Pitching Mechanics
              * New Hitting Mechanics
              * Rain Delays
              * Authentic Player Gear
              * New Animations
              * New Player Models
              * Batting Stance Creator
              * Fixed Bunting (apparently worked on for 2019)
              * Fog/Weather

              There are more, but I'll leave it at that.

              They've answered and given their reason why Expasion/Relocation/Create a Stadium hasn't been included yet. Whether you agree or disagree with their reason, is up to you. But to ask why it hasn't been included, and then dismiss the answer and claim ulterior motives, is unfair, and given the additions to the game over the years lobbied for by the community, unfounded.
              Country Boy while I agree with some of your comments Im just stating my opinion and thats all-
              And by no way am I complaining against the development team. Again I love The Show and play the hell out of it, I respect your opinion in return though!

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              • AUTiger1
                MVP
                • Oct 2008
                • 2413

                #22
                Re: Create a Stadium?

                Originally posted by Caulfield
                Money. Compared to some other leading sports video games, baseball is a relative niche market. Sales for Show 18 as of October 6th: 840,000
                Show 17: 1.15 million
                Show 16, PS4: 960,000 - PS3: 370,00
                Madden 18, X-Box: 1.87 million
                Madden 18 PS4: 2.59 million
                Madden 17 X-Box: 2.44 million
                Madden 17 PS4: 3.27 million
                NBA 2K18 Nintendo Switch: 410,000
                NBA 2K18 X-Box: 1.98 million
                NBA 2K18 PS4: 3.29 million
                EA's FIFA 18, PS4: 11.72 million. Yes, well over 11 million just on PS4!
                EA's FIFA 18, X-Box: 3.11 million


                Some of thes games I could have included other versions like xbox 360, ps3 & pc sales putting the Show further behind the 8-ball.
                It's really quite amazing what SDS has done with the revenue they generate compared to other games. And now you can see why other baseball games have fallen to the wayside in recent years.

                Wow. That's awful. Makes me appreciate The Show that much more.
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                • AUTiger1
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 2413

                  #23
                  Re: Create a Stadium?

                  Originally posted by countryboy
                  I'm sorry but claiming they aren't adding Create A Stadium/Expansion/Relocation due to No Competition is a cop out/easy way out complaint against the development team just because something you want isn't in the game.

                  If they truly stopped caring because they are the only MLB game in town (which they aren't) then why do they continue to add things to the game that the community has requested?

                  Some things this community over the years has requested that's been added:

                  * Carryover Saves
                  * New Tag System (you mentioned)
                  * Ball Physics (you mentioned)
                  * New Pitching Mechanics
                  * New Hitting Mechanics
                  * Rain Delays
                  * Authentic Player Gear
                  * New Animations
                  * New Player Models
                  * Batting Stance Creator
                  * Fixed Bunting (apparently worked on for 2019)
                  * Fog/Weather

                  There are more, but I'll leave it at that.

                  They've answered and given their reason why Expasion/Relocation/Create a Stadium hasn't been included yet. Whether you agree or disagree with their reason, is up to you. But to ask why it hasn't been included, and then dismiss the answer and claim ulterior motives, is unfair, and given the additions to the game over the years lobbied for by the community, unfounded.

                  Sadly nothing for franchise mode.
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                  • countryboy
                    Growing pains
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 52727

                    #24
                    Create a Stadium?

                    Originally posted by AUTiger1
                    Sadly nothing for franchise mode.


                    There have been improvements to franchise mode

                    * Improving trade logic each year

                    * improved cpu roster management

                    * morale system

                    * player quirks

                    * 20/80 rating scale for players in draft

                    * improved draft

                    * more realistic budget system

                    * carryover saves


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                    • underdog13
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2012
                      • 3222

                      #25
                      Re: Create a Stadium?

                      Originally posted by countryboy
                      There have been improvements to franchise mode

                      * Improving trade logic each year

                      * improved cpu roster management

                      * morale system

                      * player quirks

                      * 20/80 rating scale for players in draft

                      * improved draft

                      * more realistic budget system

                      * carryover saves


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                      Very few of these are substantial or have much effect.

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                      • countryboy
                        Growing pains
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 52727

                        #26
                        Create a Stadium?

                        Originally posted by underdog13
                        Very few of these are substantial or have much effect.

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                        Whether someone views them as substantial or not, they are still improvements made to franchise mode.


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                        Last edited by countryboy; 11-24-2018, 06:11 AM.
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                        • AUTiger1
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 2413

                          #27
                          Re: Create a Stadium?

                          Originally posted by countryboy
                          There have been improvements to franchise mode

                          * Improving trade logic each year

                          * improved cpu roster management

                          * morale system

                          * player quirks

                          * 20/80 rating scale for players in draft

                          * improved draft

                          * more realistic budget system

                          * carryover saves


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                          *Trade logic is total crap still. The majority of trades that happen don't make one lick of sense.


                          *CPU roster management is total crap still. Have you seen some of the lineups that still happen? Have you seen the way the CPU handles their bullpen? It doesn't make any sense. Why are the worst arms always used unless it's a "save" situation? Why is the starting pitcher pulled in the 7th or 8th inning with 75-85 pitches and no runs allowed?


                          *Morale system is majorly flawed.


                          *Do the player quirks actually have any impact on the actual game play results?


                          *20/80 rating system for the draft was a great idea.


                          *Still not enough players in the draft. It's said that there's not enough players to have a full 10 round draft. Why are there so few players?


                          *The budget system is a good idea but needs to be done better or at least explained in detail to make it make more sense for off-season portion of the game. Like that whole "bank" deal. I still haven't figured out exactly what the point of that is.


                          *Carryover saves is a nice idea and works well.
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                          • countryboy
                            Growing pains
                            • Sep 2003
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                            #28
                            Re: Create a Stadium?

                            Originally posted by AUTiger1
                            *Trade logic is total crap still. The majority of trades that happen don't make one lick of sense.
                            I don't know. As someone who is now in year 6 of a carryover save from MLB '16, I see the trades that are made making sense as you watch teams build/manage their roster over time.


                            *CPU roster management is total crap still. Have you seen some of the lineups that still happen? Have you seen the way the CPU handles their bullpen? It doesn't make any sense. Why are the worst arms always used unless it's a "save" situation? Why is the starting pitcher pulled in the 7th or 8th inning with 75-85 pitches and no runs allowed?
                            Again something else that I don't view as "crap". This year has been the best year I've seen of CPU teams managing their roster and building it. Balancing out their roster with the 90 spots available. I also feel that the handling of the bullpen is the best its been thus far with the CPU doing better at lefty vs lefty matchups and the like. I also see them using their best arms when available. And I haven't seen very many times, actually I've only seen it happen in close games, where the CPU pulls their starting pitcher after 75-85 pitches and no runs allowed, unless their starter is gassed due to low stamina.



                            *Morale system is majorly flawed.
                            The only part of morale that I don't like is when a guy is called up and then he's upset that he's not making the league minimum. Other than that, I don't really mind it. It needs to be expanded upon though, that is for sure.

                            *Do the player quirks actually have any impact on the actual game play results?
                            I believe so...yes.


                            *20/80 rating system for the draft was a great idea.
                            Agreed


                            *Still not enough players in the draft. It's said that there's not enough players to have a full 10 round draft. Why are there so few players?
                            Because there are only 90 available roster spots. They need to expand the roster spots to at least 100, although 125 would be ideal. Until then, the draft is going to continue to be short and with fewer players because there simply isn't room for the roster turnover.


                            *The budget system is a good idea but needs to be done better or at least explained in detail to make it make more sense for off-season portion of the game. Like that whole "bank" deal. I still haven't figured out exactly what the point of that is.
                            The budget system is cumbersome, but once you get the idea of it, I could never go back to the old system. I absolutely love the new budget system, although they need to provide us with more information up front instead of making us determine it.

                            The bank is what determines how much of a payroll increase you receive in the offseason. Part of the bank is kept by the owner and the rest is put into your overall payroll budget. Again, it needs to be expanded upon, but I like the concept.


                            *Carryover saves is a nice idea and works well.
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                            • AUTiger1
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 2413

                              #29
                              Re: Create a Stadium?

                              Originally posted by countryboy
                              Again something else that I don't view as "crap". This year has been the best year I've seen of CPU teams managing their roster and building it. Balancing out their roster with the 90 spots available. I also feel that the handling of the bullpen is the best its been thus far with the CPU doing better at lefty vs lefty matchups and the like. I also see them using their best arms when available. And I haven't seen very many times, actually I've only seen it happen in close games, where the CPU pulls their starting pitcher after 75-85 pitches and no runs allowed, unless their starter is gassed due to low stamina.

                              I just don't see how you can say this. The CPU routinely has relief pitchers pitch 2 or 3 inning stints on a regular basis and that's just not the way real baseball works. In real baseball a pitcher isn't going to pitch 2 1/3 innings while giving up 5 hits and 4 runs and still be in the game with over 40 pitches thrown. Not a middle relief pitcher like Tyler Thornburg. That is what I'm talking about. This is a routine issue with The Show. It doesn't matter if I'm playing the game or simming, its always happening. It's like the CPU is managing like it's 1979 as far as that area of bullpen use is concerned. Back in those days it was routine for a team to play a game and only use 1 or 2 pitchers in the game. But now days it's routine for a team to use 4-6 pitchers per game.
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                              • countryboy
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                                • Sep 2003
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                                #30
                                Create a Stadium?

                                Originally posted by AUTiger1
                                I just don't see how you can say this. The CPU routinely has relief pitchers pitch 2 or 3 inning stints on a regular basis and that's just not the way real baseball works. In real baseball a pitcher isn't going to pitch 2 1/3 innings while giving up 5 hits and 4 runs and still be in the game with over 40 pitches thrown. Not a middle relief pitcher like Tyler Thornburg. That is what I'm talking about. This is a routine issue with The Show. It doesn't matter if I'm playing the game or simming, its always happening. It's like the CPU is managing like it's 1979 as far as that area of bullpen use is concerned. Back in those days it was routine for a team to play a game and only use 1 or 2 pitchers in the game. But now days it's routine for a team to use 4-6 pitchers per game.


                                I can say it because it has been my experience when playing the game.


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                                Last edited by countryboy; 11-26-2018, 08:20 AM.
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