Sony Partners and Content Creators Testing Beta

[countryboy]

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The only issue I have with this thread is the issue I've had for the last few years at OS, which is the fact that any naysayers of the Show are instantly ridiculed and labeled as "the problem with the community." Clearly countryboy and Armor love the show the way it is and that's awesome, more power to them. But there are a LARGE contingent of users here that don't, we are disappointed in certain modes being largely ignored and we should not be ridiculed or labeled as the problem because we voice our displeasure with the game. And we CERTAINLY should not be blamed for pushing the devs off the site. If the devs left the site because they couldn't take the criticism, that's on them, it isn't our fault for speaking our minds. However if you've been to "their" forums, it seems the criticism over there HIGHLY outweighs the criticism here so I'm fairly certain that isn't why they left. As someone just said, it seems they may have left because their focus went away from franchise (OS) and went to DD (Show Forums). It may be as simple as that.

You need to refrain from bringing me up in this type of post in the future. It isn't needed, warranted, nor appreciated.

With that said, I have my own issues with the Show in its current state. There are plenty of things that I wish would be fixed, improved, added, or what have you. The fact that I don't plaster these "wants/issues" in every thread possible doesn't mean that I find the game perfect in its current state. I post them when and where needed and then go about my business.

Yes..I find enjoyment in the Show '18. I have played the hell out of it, and yes I make it known on the forums how much I enjoy the game. I choose to focus on what the game does right rather than what it does "wrong". I'm of the belief that while its important to point out where someone/the game comes up short, I think its equally important to point out where someone/the game succeeds.

[Gatorshow184]

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You can be disappointed in something and still think it's good

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I agree. I was just curious if some in here stopped buying it.

[BigOscar]

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The main thing that puzzles me is why people think roster creator's should get invited for game play input. Common sense should say, invite people the log hundreds of hours playing the game.

If it was a roster making input event, then invite those who help create rosters. Those people who put hundreds of hours into the rosters.

I'm more puzzled where you've got the notion that they wanted to go to a game play input event from? Millennium claimed they wanted it, but they flat out said they didn't, they just wanted an avenue to give their input.

The point being that there is no "roster making input event", or even a "Roster making input email exchange". They feel ignored and you cannot blame them and other people in the community, like myself, aren't crazy about the fact that they don't care about the roster makers input and fear (maybe unfairly, who knows) it's indicative of certain things

[Padgoi]

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You need to refrain from bringing me up in this type of post in the future. It isn't needed, warranted, nor appreciated.

With that said, I have my own issues with the Show in its current state. There are plenty of things that I wish would be fixed, improved, added, or what have you. The fact that I don't plaster these "wants/issues" in every thread possible doesn't mean that I find the game perfect in its current state. I post them when and where needed and then go about my business.

Yes..I find enjoyment in the Show '18. I have played the hell out of it, and yes I make it known on the forums how much I enjoy the game. I choose to focus on what the game does right rather than what it does "wrong". I'm of the belief that while its important to point out where someone/the game comes up short, I think its equally important to point out where someone/the game succeeds.

First and foremost, I don't "need" to do anything. If you "would like me" to refrain from mentioning you, I will.
Secondly, I'm all for focusing on what the show does right. Again, my point was that those who focus on what the show does wrong in order to improve it shouldn't be ridiculed for it.

[Armor and Sword]

Sony Partners and Content Creators Testing Beta

The only issue I have with this thread is the issue I've had for the last few years at OS, which is the fact that any naysayers of the Show are instantly ridiculed and labeled as "the problem with the community." Clearly countryboy and Armor love the show the way it is and that's awesome, more power to them. But there are a LARGE contingent of users here that don't, we are disappointed in certain modes being largely ignored and we should not be ridiculed or labeled as the problem because we voice our displeasure with the game. And we CERTAINLY should not be blamed for pushing the devs off the site. If the devs left the site because they couldn't take the criticism, that's on them, it isn't our fault for speaking our minds. However if you've been to "their" forums, it seems the criticism over there HIGHLY outweighs the criticism here so I'm fairly certain that isn't why they left. As someone just said, it seems they may have left because their focus went away from franchise (OS) and went to DD (Show Forums). It may be as simple as that.

You sir are just always stepping over the line. You obviously know absolutely nothing about me and what I think can be improved upon with this game. I have had discussions at length with plenty of OS'ers on my streams about things that would be great if added to The Show. I have had direct contact with some SDS dev team members on bugs, and things that needed to be cleaned up....especially on 17 which they did a wonderful job of listening and cleaned up on 18 incredible well. You see going on a public message board and thumping my chest and posting look at me posts blasting SDS is pure nonsense and not the way adults communicate. But go ahead....call me out as thinking the game is fine. Your passive aggressive posts are pathetic. They are clearly trolling and quite frankly I have had it with you yet again. Going on ignore and quite frankly the fact you have not been permanently banned is mind numbing at this point. You bring absolutely nothing here except your insane agenda each and every year about how the game is not good, not this, not that, not doing this, not able to do that.



We all know the faults inherent with the game......you ever think for a single solitary second that maybe...just maybe..it is a video game and it will never ever be perfect?



The fact that I understand how to communicate in a mature matter confuses you into this boneheaded mentality "he must be a fanboi" because he loves the game.



Yes..you are absolutely right about one thing, I do indeed love this game. Big time. But anyone who has interacted with me knows that I am always pointing out things that can be improved upon both ion the diamond and off it.



I just don't have to tirelessly post about it here in thread after thread after thread.



The agenda's here are insane.



I get my greatest pleasure posting sliders, settings, helping with rosters and embracing what the game does right....and it does so much right and most do agree it does.



When they make mistakes or need improvements I will forward my concerns to people who have a voice and I have had the pleasure of being able to interact privately with some of the outstanding Dev team members of SDS who are just as passionate about baseball as I am.



I have played at the high school and junior college level, and have coached baseball at the majors level in travel as well as middle school and high school players for over 15 years now. I love the game of baseball. I love working with young aspiring ball players and teaching them the mental side of the game that they so very much need to master just to have any chance to play at the next level (college). I live and breath it on the ball field 6 days a week 10 months a year down here in South Florida.



Baseball is a huge part of my life. And being objective is a big part of decisions I make all the time on rosters, playing time etc.



I am highly objective with this game. When I see something wrong I point it out. But when I see a post like Madden is a far better franchise mode.....yeah ok...explain that to me. I play both games extensively. What can I do in Madden franchise mode...I can't in The Show?



Serious question.



But...me questioning that makes me a fan boi......ok man. Have a nice life. And your personal passive aggressive attacks being tolerated still is ridiculous already. You are the definition of a troll.



The only person I ever have ridiculed in this community....is you. With this post. Because I am sick and tired of your utter BS.

[Armor and Sword]

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Better A.I team building logic/trade/draft logic
Better storyline presentation/ news feed
More involvement from coaches/more impactful
More indepth ownermode/relocation
Better offseason overall (more exciting fa signing and resigning.
The progression system provides more realistic results (i don't prefer the method, but it gets better results)
Better U.I

It's just a more exciting mode overall in my opinion. It's close but madden gets the edge.

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Hey it is debatable. Maddens franchise mode's AI is pretty bad too. 32 team control is incredible cumbersome. Again though I can do everything I do Madden on The Show. The off-season is stale on both...I have to make it exciting with my own storylines and write ups. The twitter feed is garbage. Etc etc.....both modes are stale IMO.

And I have been a loud voice hoping Franchise mode get's a lot of TLC on 19. Otherwise I am sitting it out.

So anyway.

[underdog13]

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Hey since we're seemingly discussing more OS at this point. I have a question.

It feels like most threads are discussion about dev teams and game design/features rather than more fun (imo) discussions like the actual game itself.

Anybody have any thoughts on that?

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[countryboy]

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First and foremost, I don't "need" to do anything. If you "would like me" to refrain from mentioning you, I will.
Secondly, I'm all for focusing on what the show does right. Again, my point was that those who focus on what the show does wrong in order to improve it shouldn't be ridiculed for it.

Leave me out of your posts...period. Its not the first time you've done this.

And nobody ridicules anyone who points out what the Show does wrong. If that was the case, we'd have to ridicule everyone, including ourselves.

Those who are "ridiculed" as you put it, are those who troll and post with an agenda.

[eric7064]

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You sir are just always stepping over the line. You obviously know absolutely nothing about me and what I think can be improved upon with this game. I have had discussions at length with plenty of OS'ers on my streams about things that would be great if added to The Show. I have had direct contact with some SDS dev team members on bugs, and things that needed to be cleaned up....especially on 17 which they did a wonderful job of listening and cleaned up on 18 incredible well. You see going on a public message board and thumping my chest and posting look at me posts blasting SDS is pure nonsense and not the way adults communicate. But go ahead....call me out as thinking the game is fine. Your passive aggressive posts are pathetic. They are clearly trolling and quite frankly I have had it with you yet again. Going on ignore and quite frankly the fact you have not been permanently banned is mind numbing at this point. You bring absolutely nothing here except your insane agenda each and every year about how the game is not good, not this, not that, not doing this, not able to do that.

We all know the faults inherent with the game......you ever think for a single solitary second that maybe...just maybe..it is a video game and it will never ever be perfect?

The fact that I understand how to communicate in a mature matter confuses you into this boneheaded mentality "he must be a fanboi" because he loves the game.

Yes..you are absolutely right about one thing, I do indeed love this game. Big time. But anyone who has interacted with me knows that I am always pointing out things that can be improved upon both ion the diamond and off it.

I just don't have to tirelessly post about it here in thread after thread after thread.

The agenda's here are insane.

I get my greatest pleasure posting sliders, settings, helping with rosters and embracing what the game does right....and it does so much right and most do agree it does.

When they make mistakes or need improvements I will forward my concerns to people who have a voice and I have had the pleasure of being able to interact privately with some of the outstanding Dev team members of SDS who are just as passionate about baseball as I am.

I have played at the high school and junior college level, and have coached baseball at the majors level in travel as well as middle school and high school players for over 15 years now. I love the game of baseball. I love working with young aspiring ball players and teaching them the mental side of the game that they so very much need to master just to have any chance to play at the next level (college). I live and breath it on the ball field 6 days a week 10 months a year down here in South Florida.

Baseball is a huge part of my life. And being objective is a big part of decisions I make all the time on rosters, playing time etc.

I am highly objective with this game. When I see something wrong I point it out. But when I see a post like Madden is a far better franchise mode.....yeah ok...explain that to me. I play both games extensively. What can I do in Madden franchise mode...I can't in The Show?

Serious question.

But...me questioning that makes me a fan boi......ok man. Have a nice life. And your personal passive aggressive attacks being tolerated still is ridiculous already. You are the definition of a troll.

The only person I ever have ridiculed in this community....is you. With this post. Because I am sick and tired of you utter BS.

I dont prefer madden. But yes it has a better franchise mode. For reasons already stated. Also I dont have to constantly fix issues years into a franchise.

With madden I can just play and not worry.

Long story short, in the show I'm in year 7 and the free agency pool is filled with free agents that are unsigned because no team has money. Talking low 90, high 80s players. No team has money so in the regular season trades become incredibly difficult and it becomes the NBA having to match contracts.

Scouting is atrocious and does not resemble baseball in the slightest. Go scout a pitchers clutch? I'm glad we have 20-80 but far to many players are drafted 22-23 years old and are 62 overall. Not every player needs to pan out. But generated players take WAY to long to progress.

I have to constantly go through young players and progress them myself because the game does not do it at a realistic pace. By year 7 or 8 ROTY are 27-28 years old.

Not to mention I've had to go through every generated SP and up there stamina because pitchers are only throwing 120+ innings on 33 starts bc there stamina is so low.

I could go on. Hours of crap I have to fix. I love playing the show more. But in madden I can play without a care in the world.

[JoshC1977]

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Because hardly anyone here cares about DD.

Eric: I'm quoting you as a starting point but this is not directed solely AT you.....

I think a lot more people here care about DD than people realize - but those that do play the mode are closeted here as this forum is virtually unwilling to engage in any positive discussion of DD. Any announcement thread gets posted that is primarily for DD, and it never fails that it's a flurry of "DD gets all the love", "DD sucks", "DD has ruined the game", etc. As a forum member that started playing (and thoroughly enjoying) the mode this year, I am hesitant to even talk about it here because of all the drama people stir up. It's like, "Oh you play DD, you don't matter!". Guess what, I am a die-hard franchise guy too....I love franchise mode and I want many of the same improvements others here do.

But to me DD is an absolute blast; you can play it 100% play it offline (avoiding the "misery" of online play) and you can do nearly all of the content with no online play and...gasp....with no money spent. I get the feeling that an awful lot of people in this forum (and all the other OS forums) don't even bother giving card modes a real try - and blast the modes out of sheer ignorance. If you give it a good shot and don't like it, that's fine.....I don't like RTTS....but I am not going to start blasting it every time someone mentions it, complaining that it's "wasting" SDS' resources (and likely way more of them than DD) and taking away from franchise.

Here's another misconception...DD gets all the love. Do non-DD guys realize that 50% of the major programs of the mode last year were not released until July? Imagine this guys - you only get half of your franchise options until midway through the cycle. DD content (and other card mode content) is rolled-out on a continual basis....so yes, throughout the year, it seems to an outsider that they are getting more "love". The reality is that the mode is being COMPLETED throughout the year. Franchise mode (as well as RTTS) have completed modes when the game launches. That's a massive difference in perception.

I totally "get" that people want more "stuff" in franchise - but it seems like a lot of people would rather just bash/blame DD and anyone associated with online modes instead of actually doing something to improve franchise. You say, "but they don't care/listen". No, if you're just ranting/raving about how "DD sucks" and "franchise is broke", they aren't going to listen to you at all.

To those of you (streamers, roster/slider guys, guys who make the spreadsheets/calcs, and even to those of you who just like to tell the stories of their virtual franchises) - I salute you - and I am sorry that so many of you have been caught-up in this crossfire.

[goillini03]

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Josh, I agree with a some of what you are saying but I disagree with a portion of it. DD has constant monthly programs, events, and cards packs released in waves. Yes, there are a lot of the programs come in June/July, but that is by design. They have to get the offline guys coming back. Just like they release another wave with the future stars and post season items. This is 100% the mode that SDS cares about the most.

I am like you in that I am about 50/50 with my time on franchise mode and DD. I enjoy them both but DD is where gameplay focus usually occurs (online), and where the constant steam of content is delivered post launch of the game.

Now, if you have played multiple years of DD, you will start to get a stale feeling. They have a lot of the same content year to year. At the end of the day, they need Franchise people to buy the game and hope to convert them to DD players. The extra $ is what games are about nowadays, fair or not, it is just the reality. I think most people here are just frustrated by the lack of innovation within the Sim/Franchise modes.

At the same time, I agree that is not fair for online creators to be labeled as “bad” by the masses. They are doing what they enjoy and SDS can leverage their market. In the same breath, the developers put in a ton of time in the game, and I believe that they want to put out a good product. I think they should also not be trashed for doing their job. The thing to remember is that everyone has a boss. I am sure that there are thing that they want to do, but it cuts down along the dev cycle.

[BigOscar]

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Eric: I'm quoting you as a starting point but this is not directed solely AT you.....

I think a lot more people here care about DD than people realize - but those that do play the mode are closeted here as this forum is virtually unwilling to engage in any positive discussion of DD. Any announcement thread gets posted that is primarily for DD, and it never fails that it's a flurry of "DD gets all the love", "DD sucks", "DD has ruined the game", etc. As a forum member that started playing (and thoroughly enjoying) the mode this year, I am hesitant to even talk about it here because of all the drama people stir up. It's like, "Oh you play DD, you don't matter!". Guess what, I am a die-hard franchise guy too....I love franchise mode and I want many of the same improvements others here do.

But to me DD is an absolute blast; you can play it 100% play it offline (avoiding the "misery" of online play) and you can do nearly all of the content with no online play and...gasp....with no money spent. I get the feeling that an awful lot of people in this forum (and all the other OS forums) don't even bother giving card modes a real try - and blast the modes out of sheer ignorance. If you give it a good shot and don't like it, that's fine.....I don't like RTTS....but I am not going to start blasting it every time someone mentions it, complaining that it's "wasting" SDS' resources (and likely way more of them than DD) and taking away from franchise.

Here's another misconception...DD gets all the love. Do non-DD guys realize that 50% of the major programs of the mode last year were not released until July? Imagine this guys - you only get half of your franchise options until midway through the cycle. DD content (and other card mode content) is rolled-out on a continual basis....so yes, throughout the year, it seems to an outsider that they are getting more "love". The reality is that the mode is being COMPLETED throughout the year. Franchise mode (as well as RTTS) have completed modes when the game launches. That's a massive difference in perception.

I totally "get" that people want more "stuff" in franchise - but it seems like a lot of people would rather just bash/blame DD and anyone associated with online modes instead of actually doing something to improve franchise. You say, "but they don't care/listen". No, if you're just ranting/raving about how "DD sucks" and "franchise is broke", they aren't going to listen to you at all.

To those of you (streamers, roster/slider guys, guys who make the spreadsheets/calcs, and even to those of you who just like to tell the stories of their virtual franchises) - I salute you - and I am sorry that so many of you have been caught-up in this crossfire.

There is a DD section on here and it's completely free of people complaining about DD getting all the love. There's not many of us in it regularly, but it's not because it's aggressive towards DD players or too caustic, it's just that not many users on here are interested in it. The "what are you working on" thread in particular is excellent and we all try and help each other out, have a bit of moan at the missions we can't do and generally discuss the game.

As for the rest, I'm sorry, I'm going to have to just disagree. DD is rebuilt every year, with almost entirely new content, then throughout the year the content is updated and added to. Any glitch is fixed ASAP and generally it's well looked after. That is the complete opposite of franchise.

The reason people complain at DD getting all the love, is because it gets all the love. It's pretty much an empirical fact that DD receives far, far, far greater resources applied to it than franchise.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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Why do people have this impression that roster makers shouldn't be invited to beta test game play as though roster makers don't log in thousands of hours of playing the game too ? If anything it makes them more qualified to go since some but not all roster makers study the game play in order to know what ratings to give players. I mean yeah some roster makers simply change names and throw random numbers out. But then you have many others who study the game play and the effect ratings have on game play.

So this notion of why invite a roster maker to an event about game play and be ultimately dismissive about it is a dumb as hell way of thinking. I mean in reality you have roster makers who have played the sport in college, high school too just like you have Youtubers/Twitch streamers who played the sport in college or high school. At the end of the day game companies going to invite who they want.

OS been suffering from this clique mentality for many years now. People on here belong to different cliques, been that way for a long time now. Oh we play in the same online leagues, therefore I am going to ride for him. Well I'm on his friends list and am a mod for for his Twitch stream/Youtube stream/Discord server therefore I am going to ride for him. I see this happening over and over again on different threads on this site for the past several years now. And it always be the same people falling in the same cliques, so accurate and predictable you can set your watch to it.

Sad and childish. Face reality folks. Game companies been inviting big Twitch and Youtubers to test games for them for years now. This isn't a new thing that recently started. Only difference now is that some tweet out that they are going or just came back. Whether you know they went or who went don't matter because it been happening for a while and you just didn't know it. I also know from experience, a game company don't have to invite you out to use your idea either. If they determine your idea was good, they will simply just use it.

[TheKnack]

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My two cents:

Ridin' is 10x the better representation of the MLB The Show community than Millennium is. Furthermore, Millennium insinuating his existence to the Sony Partners program is more important or instrumental to the community than Ridin's existence and/or roster projects is laughable.

Millennium used to be a fun streamer to watch a year or two ago. Over the past 12 months, he's become a self-serving, arrogant guy who puts himself on a pedestal. He has a porcelain moral compass and belittles most of the community with his higher-than-high attitude.

I fully support Ridin', and secondly, I believe he'd represent the community's wants and needs as a Sony Partner far better than Millennium would, rosters entirely aside.

[Dolenz]

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Wow, I come back to the forum after a hiatus and this is the first thread I read. It is like a train wreck that I can't look away from.

It really does feel like it is chock full of jealousy, entitlement and self interest.