Isn't it kinda bad when Forbes is telling you it's time to make changes?

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Isn't it kinda bad when Forbes is telling you it's time to make changes?

I'm probably in the uncommon opinion camp here on OS when it comes to dev interaction. I dont personally need it, its enough for me to know they visit to see what the forum is saying. I know they do that because each year in the Show credits, they give thanks to OS. They dont do that for any other independent forum site. I know because I read through those credits each year. As for Forbes saying its time for changes, I dont think that will bother or sway Sony one whit. The direction the Show started going with regards to diamond Dynasty, not my cup of tea but I came to peace with that much long ago. I really dont think it will ever be the game I want it to be, but as long as it has franchise mode and the ability to recreate entire rosters, I'll enjoy that immensely until that candle burns out.

I think the claims that the devs stopped coming here specifically because of negativity are off-base. In my experience OS is the least negative of all the main forums for The Show. Sure there are people here that take it too far sometimes, but take a look over at theshownation, r/mlbtheshow, twitter, etc. Way more unchecked negativity over in those places than I see here.

By no means do I think it is the sole reason....or even the primary reason....but recently it has gotten pretty ridiculous with tone and coherent posting.

Again.....they have thick skin. They are adults. But IMO, some of the criticism has gone way overboard.

My entire point is we are better than some of the things I have read here. A lot better than that. And I agree this is the best sub forum on Operation Sports....and it is not even close.

Madden and NBA 2K? Ha ha ha ha ha....man.

[countryboy]

Re: Isn't it kinda bad when Forbes is telling you it's time to make changes?

It is not the negativity.....it is the way it is being communicated.

Simple as that.

I don’t baby the development team nor pull any punches. If something is not working, not designed well...I let them know.

It’s all about how you do that. Effective communication goes a long way in life.

The thing is they don’t want only positive reinforcement. They want to hear what is and isn’t working. They want to hear suggestions.

But as you stated, it’s the manner in which it’s communicated.

They got tired of wading through the insults and childish behavior in search of meaningful, adult discussion.




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[jada855]

Re: Isn't it kinda bad when Forbes is telling you it's time to make changes?

Nice article but kind of wish it were a bit more aggressive and touched on more key issues such as the animations of the game too support the overall article especially for people who have been playing the series for years!


It’s not the graphics that are lacking in my opinion its the animations tied to those graphics and player models which make the game appear to have little change for each iteration.

It’s global but most notably on defense when every player makes the same repetitive animations for all actions it’s very hard to see any separation between Players, Teams and what happens from game to game in a Series!

Does year to year saves affect bunting and animations too! It’s the core that needs to be re-worked. PS5 maybe but it would have to be a huge jump right out the gate and nail several major points sound, atmosphere, graphics and gameplay.

[potsey7]

Re: Isn't it kinda bad when Forbes is telling you it's time to make changes?

This isn't brain surgery. The devs dont come here because this site is primarily for those that love franchise modes in games and that is no longer a priority for SDS. Yes we should be more constructive. Yes we all wish franchise mode was better. That ship has sailed. I wish everyone would quit griping about it and I guess figure out how to make the most of what we have. Unless the market changes DD and similar modes will be what's worked on. Even if we told them how amazing they are it wouldn't matter...they aren't focused on Franchise and they aren't interacting on a site mainly focused on that mode.

[jvalverde88]

Re: Isn't it kinda bad when Forbes is telling you it's time to make changes?

FYI, the author of this article is not employed by Forbes.

[Caulfield]

Re: Isn't it kinda bad when Forbes is telling you it's time to make changes?

This isn't brain surgery. The devs dont come here because this site is primarily for those that love franchise modes in games and that is no longer a priority for SDS. Yes we should be more constructive. Yes we all wish franchise mode was better. That ship has sailed. I wish everyone would quit griping about it and I guess figure out how to make the most of what we have. Until the market changes DD and similar modes will be what's worked on. Even if we told them how amazing they are it wouldn't matter...they aren't focused on Franchise and they aren't interacting on a site mainly focused on that mode.

fixed. nothing last forever. -A. Rose-

[JayhawkerStL]

Re: Isn't it kinda bad when Forbes is telling you it's time to make changes?

FYI, the author of this article is not employed by Forbes.

Forbes figured out that if they let bloggers post stuff, others will use the Forbes name to validate whatever article they claim Forbes in endorsing. It’s a pretty good way to market your website.

[Juzbee]

Re: Isn't it kinda bad when Forbes is telling you it's time to make changes?

I think it boils down to a simple principle: No competition means no sense of urgency.



This is nothing personal against the developers or anyone else. But, you can bet your *** that if another entity put out a genuinely good baseball game, one that was popular with users and sold well, Sony would take notice. Right now, they have no practical reason or incentive to do anything beyond the minimum.

[MLB14]

Re: Isn't it kinda bad when Forbes is telling you it's time to make changes?

I think it boils down to a simple principle: No competition means no sense of urgency.



This is nothing personal against the developers or anyone else. But, you can bet your *** that if another entity put out a genuinely good baseball game, one that was popular with users and sold well, Sony would take notice. Right now, they have no practical reason or incentive to do anything beyond the minimum.

The motivation you described should come from within people. It doesn't need to be external.

If they need an opposing game to develop their game more efficiently, then I'd say they're not much into developing their game.

I'm not dissin'. I'm just sayin' maybe they're getting a little bored with the game. I can understand that to a point.

[delspf]

Re: Isn't it kinda bad when Forbes is telling you it's time to make changes?

I am dying for a baseball game again but this is a no buy for me if franchise is just that bland and "old"

[briguy4747]

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This is a great article. Not only is it pretty much on point. Take notice of the tone and how he expressed himself.

Something that is completely lost on this forum lately by some members.

Thanks for posting this because this is how you communicate like an adult.

And I quote this from the article:


"The Twitch stream schedule introduces two "brand new game modes" called Moments and March to October. It's unclear whether either will be an extension of an existing mode, but those two options seem like our only real hope for something that moves The Show from really good to a complete masterpiece."

This game is really good. It is on the cusp of masterpiece. But I have been really dismayed at a lot of the seething posts and basic tomato throwing at this dev team that is passionate about their product.

Have they made some mis-steps? Yeah they have. No one is perfect. But their lack of presence here is clearly a by-product of the lack of maturity that has infected this once mature forum.

I hope we can try and get back to a good, calm and mature place we can all discuss the game and also get back to making the game better for ourselves through various settings, rosters and sliders. And also let's try and stop going at each other when we differ on our opinions.

We all have our idea's of ways they can improve franchise mode. No one is right or wrong. It is all idea sharing.

Good points, Armour !!!


My only request is that you please finally replace your picture ID with something that is a bit more moral !!!
I really get tired of seeing that snorting Coke picture

[Juzbee]

Re: Isn't it kinda bad when Forbes is telling you it's time to make changes?

The motivation you described should come from within people. It doesn't need to be external.

If they need an opposing game to develop their game more efficiently, then I'd say they're not much into developing their game.

I'm not dissin'. I'm just sayin' maybe they're getting a little bored with the game. I can understand that to a point.

I have to respectfully disagree. Unfortunately, putting out these games is a business. Yes, you need passionate people to do your work for you if you are in business. But it's not up to them what happens, it's up to the bean counters. Give them the proper competition, and suddenly the team of passionate people will grow, be given additional resources, produce to the extent of what they are allowed.

[GoDucks1224]

Isn't it kinda bad when Forbes is telling you it's time to make changes?

As long as you guys don’t think that criticism, or any kind of negativity, is equal to immaturity, then sure. I agree. But I’ve seen quite a few people here act like being critical of this franchise, or dev team, is somehow a cardinal sin. We’re allowed to be critical, and express our opinions. Just because they aren’t in line with yours does not mean they are any less valid, or mature.

That being said, good article. I’ll likely still be getting the game, but at a reduced cost. I have pre-ordered Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2019, though.

[Caulfield]

Re: Isn't it kinda bad when Forbes is telling you it's time to make changes?

FYI, the author of this article is not employed by Forbes.

Forbes figured out that if they let bloggers post stuff, others will use the Forbes name to validate whatever article they claim Forbes in endorsing. It’s a pretty good way to market your website.

Wait, now I'm confused. Forbes didn't put this on their website?

[moTIGS]

Re: Isn't it kinda bad when Forbes is telling you it's time to make changes?

Wait, now I'm confused. Forbes didn't put this on their website?

Forbes, like several other platforms (HuffPo comes to mind; Bleacher Report was the pioneer in this field, but everyone seems to know about them), publishes the work of "contributors," who are not paid staff members.

The writers probably get paid based on ad impressions, and Forbes gets free content. That's what it's about, not marketing the Forbes brand. They just want the benefits of having a full writing staff without paying a full writing staff.

I assume Forbes has some kind of quality control staff who ensures their contributor pieces meet some base line for grammar and style, but that's about it for contributor pieces.

It's basically a fancy blogging platform.