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  • bcruise
    Hall Of Fame
    • Mar 2004
    • 23274

    #76
    Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - Defensive Improvements

    Really liked a lot of what I saw and heard in this stream. The whole discussion about the timing of the throwing mechanic start point brought back some memories of this discussion I had with Woodweaver during the '16 cycle (my first post is #8 and he responds a short while later):

    https://forums.operationsports.com/f...throw-run.html

    Basically, part of the issue back then is that the backhand animation queued before I could even start to preload my throw - I had no control of my player movement at all, and the batter/runner was safe because I had a bad animation. To their credit, this was improved in '17 and '18, to the point where long animations on simple plays like that rarely affected the outcome (though the user still had minimal control over the urgency of the throw they got).

    But now, if I'm understanding this right, it's a whole new level of user control. If the player's catch/throw animation doesn't queue up until the user starts their throw input, then we aren't locked into pre-catch routines anymore. If that's how it is, that's absolutely huge and will be felt on every ball put into play. Pre-loading's still fine (and probably encouraged), but on plays where you want to be flexible and maybe have to react to runner movement, the user should be able to control the fielder's movement deeper into the play without being locked into an animation which might limit their ability to make a play.

    I wish I could explain what I'm trying to say more clearly, but I really hope that's the case.

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    • ninertravel
      MVP
      • Aug 2015
      • 4833

      #77
      Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - Defensive Improvements

      Auto base running now scares me because the CPU acts like a ******* sometimes and trys to steal base on it's own (never used to be like this) so that means they are gonna slip and trip everytime?? so we have to use manual baserunning now to avoid that? (I hate Manuel)

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      • catswithbats
        Rookie
        • Dec 2011
        • 292

        #78
        Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - Defensive Improvements

        Originally posted by Caulfield
        sounds like his primary defensive position should be DH lol
        Most Tigers fans agree. But we need somewhere to put Miguel Cabrera this year.

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        • Caulfield
          Hall Of Fame
          • Apr 2011
          • 10986

          #79
          Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - Defensive Improvements

          Defense must have a bigger impact on overalls than ever before. Still wish Potential was divided into Offensive Potential and Defensive Potential.
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          • bravesfan1984
            MVP
            • Mar 2008
            • 2808

            #80
            Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - Defensive Improvements

            Originally posted by Caulfield
            Defense must have a bigger impact on overalls than ever before. Still wish Potential was divided into Offensive Potential and Defensive Potential.
            I'm pretty sure the 38 is fielding, not OVR.

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            • Caulfield
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2011
              • 10986

              #81
              Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - Defensive Improvements

              Originally posted by bravesfan1984
              I'm pretty sure the 38 is fielding, not OVR.

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              Ok, that sounds better. I thought his overall was 38 lol
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              • BigOscar
                MVP
                • May 2016
                • 2971

                #82
                Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - Defensive Improvements

                Originally posted by Caulfield
                Defense must have a bigger impact on overalls than ever before. Still wish Potential was divided into Offensive Potential and Defensive Potential.
                Agreed, the fielding progression in general needs a complete overhaul. All the ratings just steadily climb, while the hitting progression is dynamic, usually resulting in everyone becoming great fielders.

                There was a FIFA game, maybe about 09 or 10, where players attributes were sorted into three categories; physical, mental and skill, and the different ratings had different rates they improved at different ages and different peak ages. (physical developed and peaked early, mental late, skill more steady) It was a great idea, that they unfortunately got rid of when they intentionally crippled career mode to force players into UT. That sort of system would play really well in baseball, where different skills develop at different speeds generally

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                • WaitTilNextYear
                  Go Cubs Go
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 16830

                  #83
                  Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - Defensive Improvements

                  Always so clinical when Chris Gill is on the scene...funny to watch.

                  I don't think anyone would consider more variety of animation on defense to be a bad thing...

                  ...but, the defense can get too efficient. To the point where the infield is vacuum cleaning anything thrown at it and you really have to crank on the sliders (lower defensive reaction A LOT, which I already had to do anyway) for things to work in offline play.

                  I don't even mind that all of these things have clearly been worked on only due to combat online cheesing and to appease those who stream, but I do worry about the game becoming even more of a GIDP-fest due to hyper-fast reactions by the defense. I mean, they showed examples of triple plays being turned here with plenty of room to spare.

                  What's more is it still doesn't appear like you can learn new positions dynamically on defense. Really hoped this would become a thing with this level of "focus" on defensive play.
                  Last edited by WaitTilNextYear; 02-15-2019, 01:35 AM.
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                  • RogerDodger
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2016
                    • 1082

                    #84
                    Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - Defensive Improvements

                    I liked the changes but I definitely agree that there should be a mechanism in franchise mode to develop a player for a new position.

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                    • nemesis04
                      RIP Ty My Buddy
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 13530

                      #85
                      Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - Defensive Improvements

                      Excellent stream, they put a ton of work into this. With that said I am a little concerned with how tight the system is at manufacturing plays. I think the double play is going to increase and I also think the triple play will occur more often as a result of the system. I hope they really tune baserunner speed to be more in line with the tighter system. Also with the quicker animations it seems like the game plays fast but that could just be me being a year removed from the game. Overall great work though!

                      Ultimately I wish their fielding attribute system was diffrent, I still feel each position has a unique set of fielding attributes. Where all players have the basic attributes but if for example a player is a shortstop their would be added attributes for left and right range, ability to turn a double play, ability to catch fly balls over the shoulder, arm accuracy based on throw range (short, medium, long),etc. When you start to break down the position I feel you emulate the player and the position to a truer form.
                      Last edited by nemesis04; 02-15-2019, 09:15 AM.
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                      • CujoMatty
                        Member of Rush Nation
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 5444

                        #86
                        Looks really good. I just hope you can turn off the icons under the fielders though. That’s just way too much shield for my liking lol.
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                        • My993C2
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2012
                          • 1588

                          #87
                          Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - Defensive Improvements

                          I got the impression that the fielding attribute values will be changing which is fine and dandy for the new rosters SDS plans on releasing throughout the MLB 19 calendar year. But it is unknown how this will be affecting carry over saves from the MLB The Show 18 game? I have a number of MLB 18 RTTS save files I would like to use in 19 (if I choose to buy the game, which I seem to do every year) and I am not sure if the SDS carry over save code will be doing some sort of fielding attribute conversion to use the new fielding attribute range scales or if no conversion is done, what sort of affect is this going to have on all the existing players in my RTTS save files (or franchise carry overs for those who play with the franchise mode).

                          Only time will tell since I doubt we will get an answer to this here.

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                          • LastActionHero
                            MVP
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 2453

                            #88
                            MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - Defensive Improvements

                            Originally posted by CujoMatty
                            Looks really good. I just hope you can turn off the icons under the fielders though. That’s just way too much shield for my liking lol.


                            I hope so too. I like the idea but I think it would’ve been nicer if they just gave the ring under the player the specific colour based on the type of player. This way it doesn’t add an extra osd but you still get the new info.


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                            • Bunselpower32
                              Pro
                              • Jul 2012
                              • 947

                              #89
                              Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - Defensive Improvements

                              Haven’t watched the stream yet, but it sounds like the content is good. But then again, on launch day it always is. It’s the months to come that determines how well the game does. The game is patched backwards and regresses to cater to the droves that can’t enjoy a game without winning and can’t not win and keep playing.

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                              • nemesis04
                                RIP Ty My Buddy
                                • Feb 2004
                                • 13530

                                #90
                                Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - Defensive Improvements

                                I see the colors are now blurred into one another for button accuracy but I wonder why they did not transition the green section into the yellow and chose to leave it solid?
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