The upcoming release of the PS5 is why some of you should be patient with SDS

[Therebelyell626]

Re: The upcoming release of the PS5 is why some of you should be patient with SDS

It isn't strictly production based

Really? Because I have had A potential players bust out because they couldn't hit in the minors

[countryboy]

Re: The upcoming release of the PS5 is why some of you should be patient with SDS

Really? Because I have had A potential players bust out because they couldn't hit in the minors

Production is a part of it, and most likely the biggest part of the equation, but coaching and player potential also play a role in it.

[BigOscar]

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Production is a part of it, and most likely the biggest part of the equation, but coaching and player potential also play a role in it.

For hitting at least. Fielding just steadily increases, while various ratings just can't increase and steadily decrease over the years. Half the training exercises are linked to things that can't increase. Not entirely convinced having a higher potential affects anything other than your peak overall, no idea if better coaches help either.

It needs a fair bit of work tbh, the hitting aspect of progression is good, the rest, not so much. Like a lot of things in franchise, all the bits are there, it just needs fixing and fine tuning a bit. They have a bit of a habit of adding a feature, it not quite working 100%, but then them never going back and fixing it.

[countryboy]

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For hitting at least. Fielding just steadily increases, while various ratings just can't increase and steadily decrease over the years. Half the training exercises are linked to things that can't increase. Not entirely convinced having a higher potential affects anything other than your peak overall, no idea if better coaches help either.

It needs a fair bit of work tbh, the hitting aspect of progression is good, the rest, not so much. Like a lot of things in franchise, all the bits are there, it just needs fixing and fine tuning a bit. They have a bit of a habit of adding a feature, it not quite working 100%, but then them never going back and fixing it.

When they added the fact that on field production would have/have more of an impact on progression/regression, it was also stated that a player's potential and the coaching staff you have in place will still play a role as well.

And what training exercises are tied to ratings that can't increase? The only one I'm aware of is stamina, but everything else works fine, as I do manual training and track it.

[TheWarmWind]

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Agreed. I am not even a huge basketball fan anymore and even I have to admit that NBA 2k is a great game. I am a bigger baseball fan than basketball but NBA 2K team tried to add to MY GM/ MY league as much as possible.

I mean come on; fully customizable relocation and expansion, even freaking rule changes! NBA 2k my league is definitely the gold standard of what a franchise mode can and should be. He only deal breaker is that NBA 2k progression is a complete mess. Out of the box everyone becomes a borderline all star. Yes they give you sliders to help, but the guys over in the 2k sliders forum have been trying for months to get progression right and they still can't get a grip on it 4 months later. This is where the show shines in my opinion. One of the better player professsion systems in sports gaming in my opinion. It's strictly production based which can be frustrating at times because I don't have time to play every minor league game, but at least I know why guys are progressions and declining and it makes sense. All you have to do is look in the numbers. I just wish they would update training, scouting, and the draft. Been the same for the last 5 years

I'm sorry but no. I will admit, progression in the Show is great. Never guaranteed, and there are enough factors effecting it that it feels wildly varied without feeling totally random.

However regression is absolutely terrible. It's predictable and non-sensical, tied directly to service time (which means EVERY SINGLE player who breaks into the league early will regress early) and having a player like Bartolo Colon is impossible. Not a rarity like it should be. Literally impossible.

When it comes to progression and regression, I think EA's NHL series should be the gold standard. The star and colour system is one of my favourite scouting systems, and it's actually possible for old players to improve IF they perform well enough. Progression and regression only happen twice (bigger jumps over the off season, smaller adjustments at the all star game) and here is my favourite kicker: you can't see the adjustments until the season starts, so free agent signings have to be based on last year's rating! IMO that kind of a system is way more true to life.

To bad the rest of the game is hot garbage.

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[BigOscar]

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When they added the fact that on field production would have/have more of an impact on progression/regression, it was also stated that a player's potential and the coaching staff you have in place will still play a role as well.

And what training exercises are tied to ratings that can't increase? The only one I'm aware of is stamina, but everything else works fine, as I do manual training and track it.

Speed also can't increase and I'm pretty sure the velo/break on pitches can't change either?

[Therebelyell626]

Re: The upcoming release of the PS5 is why some of you should be patient with SDS

Speed also can't increase and I'm pretty sure the velo/break on pitches can't change either?

I don't remember it changing last year either. Also if you trained in certain categories your player would still decrease if you weren't performing. So production is definitely the major percentage of the progression equation.

[UNIT180]

Re: The upcoming release of the PS5 is why some of you should be patient with SDS

Definitely not console limitations. Look at RDR 2

[countryboy]

The upcoming release of the PS5 is why some of you should be patient with SDS

Definitely not console limitations. Look at RDR 2

RDR 2 was in development for years. The Show has to produce a new title in < 12 months


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[Blzer]

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Definitely not console limitations. Look at RDR 2

That is the most unfair comparison that you can make. That game was in development for over seven years with the world of Rockstar working on it (literally), crazy development hours and oh so much funding. They'll never release how much it cost to make the game, but let's just say it was probably more than any of the Avatar films will cost. It pays dividends for them though.

However, you're right in that it's not all console limitations; it's also a blend of optimization and talent. I'm not here to claim that the team is untalented, but you can only make something as good as... well... you can make it. And being the best in one generation of cycles doesn't automatically make you best in the next.

Look at prospects who mash in the minors but don't have it in the majors. Look at Neill Blomkamp and M. Night Shyamalan hit home runs in their debuts and wean off after several other films. Tim Lincecum, Clayton Kershaw and Andrew Miller were all drafted in the first round and had peak moments in their careers, but look how different all of their trajectories were. Sometimes you can't always strike gold no matter where you're at, that is a possibility. This is the same thing where people say they'd love to see SDS make a football or basketball game. It doesn't exactly translate like that.

As far as optimization goes, they made everything as if it was how they made it on PS3. They need to redo it all for PS5. Make things as if they're built for a new generation of consoles. Sometimes you have to completely break your foundation instead of just continually keep trying to renovate the foundation that is there.

Let's take announcing, for example. The last several years they have tried to fix announcing by adding more lines and switching out color commentators. I don't have a spreadsheet in front of me, but who have we seen change over in the past several years? We've had Campbell, Hudler, Karros, Lyons, Reynols, Plesac, and DeRosa. Correct? I may be missing somebody. They've also added "exciting lines," and "chemistry in the booth." Yet, the complaints persist, and for good reason. It's because the foundation hasn't ever changed. I'm hoping that with this change of PA announcer, it's not just a new voice but rather a reinvention on the idea of the PA announcer. New style, new reverberation, new amp of excitement, etc. Don't just change for the sake of change, that's all.

Anyway, I'm rambling. What else is new?

[Blzer]

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^ ^ ^ this reminds me, this is actually the second time they went with 4 commentator.

MLB The Show 19 has four commentators?

And I don't recall any of the games actually having a four-man booth. I think when one joined, another left.

[KSUowls]

Re: The upcoming release of the PS5 is why some of you should be patient with SDS

RDR 2 was in development for years. The Show has to produce a new title in < 12 months


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I agree that it's not a great comparison, but the 12 month argument gives more credit than sds deserves.

Again RDR2 shouldn't be what the show gets compared to, but red dead had to build a game from the ground up. The show is on a 12 month release cycle, but the foundation is already there. They aren't building a new game from scratch every year.

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[countryboy]

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I agree that it's not a great comparison, but the 12 month argument gives more credit than sds deserves.

Again RDR2 shouldn't be what the show gets compared to, but red dead had to build a game from the ground up. The show is on a 12 month release cycle, but the foundation is already there. They aren't building a new game from scratch every year.

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No they aren't producing a new game from the ground up, but to think that having 7+ years to develop, quality test, and work on a game, even if its from the ground up is on the same level as having to add new content, work on bugs, and quality test a game, even that has a foundation within 12 months (actually less), then I'm not sure what to say.

[Madden08PCgmr]

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I agree that it's not a great comparison, but the 12 month argument gives more credit than sds deserves.

Again RDR2 shouldn't be what the show gets compared to, but red dead had to build a game from the ground up. The show is on a 12 month release cycle, but the foundation is already there. They aren't building a new game from scratch every year.

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I can't pretend to know what engine the game was built on, but it seems like they took everything in RDR and made it better. Even if they were building the game from scratch, the framework was in place from the previous version. They had the roadmap already.

Still, we're talking about 7 years and change versus a calendar year. Singular.

I don't blame the cycle as much as manpower/man-hours. That's the issue. They can't pioneer breakthroughs because the staff hat too many deadlines to hit, probably monthly and all their time goes into that, not forward thinking.

[jada855]

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20 years for a game that remains in a similar state! I am not sure if patience is the right approach! The new thing is that ratings matter "More" I can't stand by it even though the gameplay stream looked good! But I have to question well why did not ratings matter from the beginning? Get what is under the hood right first!

I just saw a clip of MLB 09 on youtube. And I know it's my thing but the same base running pose and animation is still there!

I have seen one base running animation from MLB 19 from all previous iterations. That animation is the runner falling down or stumbling to get back to a base after a steal attempt! No doubt this will happen for every runner in the game and be beyond over used before even completing a season in Franchise mode!

Who is the director of animation on this game! How does one get away with the same rinse and repeat animations for so long????