MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - March to October, Franchise, Presentation, Commentary

[BigOscar]

Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - March to October, Franchise, Presentation, Commen

But wouldn't the boring part, fall a lot on the presentation?

No, that's the games, those are fine, I'm not bored of playing baseball. The mode is the boring and stale part. I've played it before last year, and the year before that, and the year before that. It's exactly the same.

If they released DD exactly the same, with the exact same missions and content as last year, but with improved gameplay and presentation, people wouldn't play it and SDS would be absolutely slaughtered by everyone. Franchise is no different.

[Bullit]

Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - March to October, Franchise, Presentation, Commen

Because playing the same thing, no matter how much you enjoy it, eventually gets boring. Which is exactly franchise's problem on the Show, it's been the exact same mode (bar very minor, superficial changes) for a long time now and that has gotten boring.

So why do you still watch Baseball? Its been the same game every year, nothing has inherently changed. If they added the things you want it doesn't change the game at its core. Its still just Baseball. Game 162 of a season is the same as game 1 of the season.

I mean its the way you feel and I not trying to devalue that. But to me it makes no sense in any way shape or form. I have put 6 years of Franchise into this years game alone, at no point have I been bored or not wanted to play. Im playing right now as a matter of fact. Last year I was playing 17 while 18 was downloading. I still have a franchise going on 16. Sorry it doesn't do it for you but I don't get it.


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Let me add I by no means saying the game is perfect. There are changes I would like, things I want added. But they wouldn't really "change" the game at the base.

Whether we like it or not SDS is doing the right thing for them and I would like to believe for the game itself. IF say next year the put every single thing you wanted into the game, I mean everything. What then? Would you not still get bored at the end of the year? What would be the draw for next years game? Rosters? Then folks would complain they were paying $60 for a roster update, heck they are right now. This is the way gaming works now. It is not going to change any time soon, if anything it will get worse. Micro transaction, patch's, broken games at launch, monetization its all here to stay for a good long while. So its either deal with it and find some kind of enjoyment in what we have, or be miserable and complain about or move on to other things.

[jeffy777]

Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - March to October, Franchise, Presentation, Commen

Because playing the same thing, no matter how much you enjoy it, eventually gets boring. Which is exactly franchise's problem on the Show, it's been the exact same mode (bar very minor, superficial changes) for a long time now and that has gotten boring.

In your opinion, what do they need to add to franchise to make it less “boring”?

Most of the requests for franchise improvements are utility things such as contract extensions. Those things are great for the nuts and bolts of franchise, but if you’re already bored with the mode, they really aren’t going to magically make the gameplay go from boring to enthralling.

That’s why the presentation upgrades are so huge: they affect the actual on-the-field gameplay in every mode, breathing in new life, and that’s the best thing they could do to make the game less “boring’’ imo.

[Dolenz]

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I get what BigOscar is saying. I played fewer hours last year than ever before. I think I put in 60 hours and was basically done by the end of April.


Part of that was that because I was not thrilled with RTTS changes and because DD was too much of a grind. But a part of it may have been just needing to give it a rest for a while.


Hopefully that means I can appreciate it more this year when I start again.

[tyler289]

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This looks great, very excited to try it out after finding out it flows into Franchise mode. I'm really curious to see how it adapts into Franchise mode. What happens with the draft? I'll need to see the details to see if this game is worth getting for me. But on the surface this looks really nice for me to get through a season in a fun way and then move on to the 2020 season and beyond.

Because if this flows into franchise mode well, it's a perfect way for me to get through the first season, because I always get stuck trying to play every game. If they let you take 30-team control after the first year, look out. I'd be cool with the game simulating the 2019 draft and getting players based on your draft selection spot (like if you have the 20th overall pick, you have a 30% chance at a B-potential player, for example)

[BigOscar]

Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - March to October, Franchise, Presentation, Commen

In your opinion, what do they need to add to franchise to make it less “boring”?

Most of the requests for franchise improvements are utility things such as contract extensions. Those things are great for the nuts and bolts of franchise, but if you’re already bored with the mode, they really aren’t going to magically make the gameplay go from boring to enthralling.

That’s why the presentation upgrades are so huge: they affect the actually on-the-field gameplay in every mode, breathing in new life, and that’s the best thing they could do to make the game less “boring’’ imo.

Number 1 on my list would always be making teams unique. Make being the Yankees a different experience from being the Rays, make other teams make decisions based on the team they are and the goals of that team. Give the teams personality and breath a bit of life into the very stagnant franchise universe. Mto looks like it's given that a go, actually made being different teams lead to a different experience and it will surely improve it's replay value as a result.

Beyond that, there are so many changes they could make. I'm not one o those calling for expansions or relocation, but the game just needs to evolve from year to year. So many aspects that are there should be worked on each year and improved, as a lot of the core stuff is there, just not done as well as it could be.

Little things for you to do day to day would be a great way of keeping the game ticking along between games.

[TheWarmWind]

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I hate to be the negative Nancy here, especially because it's obvious the amount of quality work SDS had put into the game this year, but gameplay and presentation elements are NOT franchise improvements. They are their own seperate elements, and while both are still important, putting the presentation elements in the franchise stream was a dirty trick by SDS. Remember, presentation used to be it's own stream.

SDS merged the presentation and franchise streams in order to hide the fact that franchise was once again denied any about of real fixes or improvements.

I understand that both gameplay and presentation help franchise a lot. It could even be argued that they help franchise the most. It doesn't change the fact that the underlying mode is being severely neglected, despite needing a ton of work.

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[JoshC1977]

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If a person ONLY plays the same mode all the time and gets bored with it as a result, then does that not fall on the person playing? No matter what a developer does, a player like this is always going to get back to that point (whether it is DD, RTTS, Franchise, etc.). Sure they could do a massive overhaul to the mode....one might have an intermediate period where it is "new" to them....but it will always revert back to that point. No matter what game devs do, It'll never be enough.

This happened to me AGAIN last year (after years of being a "franchise only" guy), I couldn't get into franchise after about a month or two. Previous years, I would've shelved the game...but I loved the gameplay so much in 18 that I did something different......I started playing DD (offline only) and it was a totally different mindset when I played and it was SO refreshing. I was still playing a fantastic baseball game, but the mental focus was different (more on player performance vs team results).

A funny thing happened, after the new DD content dried-up in December (after I sunk 100s of hours into the mode), I went back to franchise....I started a new franchise and with the full broadcast package of the mode (vs the abbreviated presentation DD has) and all the other bells and whistles the mode has, it was a totally refreshing experience. I was rejuvenated and am plowing through my franchise months later.

This is what excites me for 19 the most. I can play moments, or MtO, or DD, or RTTS mixed in with my franchises. Different mindsets/attitudes for each mode. Mind you, I am not a big Player career mode kind of guy BUT, I am going to give RTTS a real honest shot this year....I'd be doing myself a disservice otherwise. Moments, MtO, DD...they're all getting a ton of play from me. It's all baseball....just different ways of experiencing them.

I really hope that others who read this do themselves the favor of giving every mode in the game a real shot. You might really surprise yourself, much as I did myself last year.

[Therebelyell626]

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I never get the overly dramatic “they’re gonna take away franchise”

EA didn’t even take away franchise - they rebuilt it. It’s always had franchise mode.

If you consider CFM a franchise mode, then I have some beach front property in Arizona to sell you lol. Yes the show's franchise is better then maddens but that's about it.

Even EA NHL which has a very small dev team has surpassed the show's franchise. NHL scouting system got a huge upgrade and is now better than the show's, they have real amateur players for at least the Canadian juniors which mean you can bring in real prospects from the show (MVP had a minor league license and the show should look into this), you can relocate and expand the league and fully design your own stadium and uniforms, even your own mascot.

Say what you want about maddens franchise but it at least got some attention this year. The show hasn't done anything with franchise in years. Real life contracts for me is a scary thought because SDS hasn't even implemented the feature on the build they have and the game is out in basically two weeks. If you think Paul goldscmidt accpeting 20 mil a year is anywhere near realistic well then I have a bridge to sell you along with that beach front property.

[RogerDodger]

Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - March to October, Franchise, Presentation, Commen

I watched the stream and of course, I was disappointed that our predictions were largely true. Very little franchise mode stuff. I even felt like there was a reluctance to simply say the word, ‘franchise’.

I respect the SDS team for giving me a great ‘18 game that I will continue playing quite happily but I don’t think I will be shelling out for ‘19 until they decide to make the only mode I play a priority.

[Therebelyell626]

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I was on the fence, but they really overhauled the presentation. That really adds to the franchise experience. I loved everything I saw.

The camera angles are fire. The crowd sounded really revamped. Those things really add to the immersion and can make a game feel brand new.

I'm intrigued now. It's not everything I wanted. But still pretty good stuff.









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Same here. I was considering skipping but am now leaning towards a buy because the presentation alone blew me away.

[tessl]

Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - March to October, Franchise, Presentation, Commen

In the stream the devs said they were considering adding to franchise but instead decided to create a new mode - March to October.

Does that mean the momentum stuff was being considered for franchise or does it mean they took a pass on all the scheduled upgrades to franchise to create a new mode with momentum and other things I would consider - no disrespect intended - gimmicks?

If they were actually considering adding momentum to franchise then I'm glad they created a separate mode and left franchise alone. If, as I suspect, they had a list of upgrades but instead created March to October then that's disappointing.

[Dolenz]

Re: MLB The Show 19 Twitch Stream - March to October, Franchise, Presentation, Commen

In the stream the devs said they were considering adding to franchise but instead decided to create a new mode - March to October.

Does that mean the momentum stuff was being considered for franchise or does it mean they took a pass on all the scheduled upgrades to franchise to create a new mode with momentum and other things I would consider - no disrespect intended - gimmicks?

If they were actually considering adding momentum to franchise then I'm glad they created a separate mode and left franchise alone. If, as I suspect, they had a list of upgrades but instead created March to October then that's disappointing.

If I had to guess then I would say that they were looking to add the curated story content to franchise and, when they decided to break it out into a new mode, then the other "game" aspects were added.


Curated storylines have to be a nightmare development for a mode where there can be a fantasy draft to start the season. A mode where players can import custom rosters. A mode where any trade can change the makeup of the team. Either the story elements have to be very generic (basically recent trends by players and the team) or they would have to account for an infinite number of franchise scenarios.

[Impetuous65]

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I hate to be the negative Nancy here, especially because it's obvious the amount of quality work SDS had put into the game this year, but gameplay and presentation elements are NOT franchise improvements. They are their own seperate elements, and while both are still important, putting the presentation elements in the franchise stream was a dirty trick by SDS. Remember, presentation used to be it's own stream.

SDS merged the presentation and franchise streams in order to hide the fact that franchise was once again denied any about of real fixes or improvements.

I understand that both gameplay and presentation help franchise a lot. It could even be argued that they help franchise the most. It doesn't change the fact that the underlying mode is being severely neglected, despite needing a ton of work.

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To be honest presentation is a franchise feature for thi game.

[BigOscar]

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If I had to guess then I would say that they were looking to add the curated story content to franchise and, when they decided to break it out into a new mode, then the other "game" aspects were added.


Curated storylines have to be a nightmare development for a mode where there can be a fantasy draft to start the season. A mode where players can import custom rosters. A mode where any trade can change the makeup of the team. Either the story elements have to be very generic (basically recent trends by players and the team) or they would have to account for an infinite number of franchise scenarios.

Yeah, I think that's where breaking teams into categories like they've done for Mto really comes in. So you can then have storylines based on expectations compared to results, so a Longshot overachieving leads down a path, a contender struggling, etc etc etc. But there are I suppose a myriad of categories they could develop from as well (payroll, age of team, individual stories for high rated players, etc)

They've only really scratched the surface with this path tbh, they've got a long way to build into if they want to expand on it in the future. It's not surprising they wanted to keep it controlled and in a fairly static setting in it's first year