Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

[Padgoi]

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This thread man....

And people wonder why SDS doesn't interact on the forums anymore.

Last I checked, it was criticism that bred improvement and innovation, not complacency.

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[Padgoi]

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Interesting. Can you share where you are getting this data from?

Pretty sure he used the word guess, as in he's speculating.

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[UFCMPunk]

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I think mostly we all feel the same way about the comments made so I'm not going to keep saying what's been said. March To October is a great season mode for those who don't play Franchise. Jump in, play one season and restart with a new team, maybe you came up short with your team and want to try it again.

Where they messed up is not allowing an option to move into Franchise during MTO. Say after the World Series, you jump right into the offseason and year two and go from there with all records and stats from the first season translating over to Franchise as the results of year one.

For the Show 20, they need to build on this and make it their "Start Today"(NBA2K) or "Play Now Live"(Madden) mode. Updated daily with the most accurate rosters with live stats and records up to that point in the season and play the biggest games of the day or any game. With the option to jump into Franchise at any point while playing.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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Where they messed up is not allowing an option to move into Franchise during MTO. Say after the World Series, you jump right into the offseason and year two and go from there with all records and stats from the first season translating over to Franchise as the results of year one.

They are allowing that. You can continute on after your MtO season by hopping right into Franchise Mode with that team. I would assume all stats and things carry over.

[redsox4evur]

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If it's not about money then let me upgrade and compete in DD without having to purchase anything.

You could do this last year with the Immortals program. You couldn’t buy any of those players and had to grind for every single one and they were literally the best cards in the entire game.



Also I can tell with my now limited reading (because of how this site’s community has changed in like the last 5 years but that’s for a different thread) that most here don’t watch any of the dev streams that don’t revolve around franchise. If SDS was so money as everyone is making them out to be, why would Ramone or Tips (content Dev for DD) come out on one of the DD streams and tell the viewers to not buy packs from the store? That is legitimately a horrible business strategy.


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[ChaseB]

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The funny thing about this narrative is the people making that claim are just as toxic with the rhetoric, calling people cry babies,whiners and more because they voice concern and don't look through rose colored glasses.

I have been saying for the last couple years that some of the comments on this forum was likely to drive and probably have driven away SDS. That said, I have been reading this thread very closely and I think the thread has been very fair to SDS. It has been critical, but respectful. For this individual at least, I applaud the civility toward SDS in this thread while still maintaining your right to respectfully criticize.

There's still a difference between constructive feedback/criticism and calling the developers either liars or full of BS/spin when they explain reasoning behind their decisions.

While this thread has some of the constructive elements, it's certainly not devoid of the trash-tier elements either -- including saying our writer is paid off by Sony to write about this.

At the end of the day, finding the difference between the two is the gold standard in any large forum such as this.

PS, developers aren't sent out to lie about their creation process. There's nothing in it for them to do that -- after all, none of you forget, and most of you are like little memory goblins that way. They're generally trying to make things they want to make that they think are cool and good. It's not really a profession you want to kill yourself doing day after day if that isn't the process because making money for X company isn't going to be enough to keep you going in the long run. In other words, it's probably just logical to believe what they're saying most of the time.

PPS, don't misconstrue this as me saying y'all can't be unhappy you aren't getting more from franchise mode. It's just that it's easy enough to say "hey I want more, and here's what I want" rather than doing the other garbage. Or it can be "hey, I get what you're doing with this direction of things, but why can't you do X and Y and Z to tie into this new direction and make franchise mode deeper all at once."

[RogerDodger]

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i was part of helping to push madden 15 back to 32 team contal from madden 25 1 year push to 1 team only

that is the only thing i fear from march to oct is that this is a test to see if it goes to just 1 team per fran in 20

Yea, I’ve had this concern since I first heard about MtO. I hope we don’t end up with a unification between this and franchise mode where MtO is the default first season. Hard to see that happening but they’ll be eager to take it somewhere if it is a success.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Also I can tell with my now limited reading (because of how this site’s community has changed in like the last 5 years but that’s for a different thread) that most here don’t watch any of the dev streams that don’t revolve around franchise. If SDS was so money as everyone is making them out to be, why would Ramone or Tips (content Dev for DD) come out on one of the DD streams and tell the viewers to not buy packs from the store? That is legitimately a horrible business strategy.


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I don't think anyone is accusing individual people/developers at Sony of 'getting their wings' like Clarence in It's A Wonderful Life whenever someone buys stubs with cash. It's mostly an indictment of the company, the industry, and the way things have been trending in a macro sense. This is what people are frustrated by and why many feel left out of the very same games they used to be able to rely on year in and year out. The games they used to sink hundreds of hours into providing post-release content to make the game better in a symbiotic fashion with the company itself. The games they used to be excited to play.

The conversation around these parts used to be quite different, as you say, even as recently as 2016. To blame that all on us would be foolish and severely lacking in context.

Frankly, ultimate team modes make a lot of financial sense--at least in the short term. Whether you can burn that flame too hot for too long (sacrifice long-term stability and innovation for short-term financial gain) is something we're gonna find out in the next 5 years or so...not just with The Show, but with a lot of games that rely on similar revenue models. Even if a lot of the dudes working there are decent dudes, the company is in it for the cash.

Anyone who blames Ramone or Nick or anyone at Sony personally is frankly not all that bright. But, a business be making business decisions. No doubt about it.

[GoDucks1224]

Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

This thread man....

And people wonder why SDS doesn't interact on the forums anymore.

Criticism can lead to change. Constantly praising them, regardless of how disappointed we are, does nothing.

[countryboy]

Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

Criticism can lead to change. Constantly praising them, regardless of how disappointed we are, does nothing.

The fact that this is the common response to my post only furthers to illustrate the reasons why the devs don’t interact here anymore.

My post had nothing to do with criticism. It had everything to do with expressing that criticism with maturity and civility.




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[kenp86]

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Definitely damage control. I just dont think they get it. To say theyre not chasing the money is a slap in the face. Of course they are. It shows in all the updates to DD and RTTS and franchise being left alone for years. This is the first year that i can remember that i will not be buying the game. I will not buy the game until franchise gets some good updates. Ill stick to Madden (which says a lot) and The Show 18

[eric7064]

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The fact that this is the common response to my post only furthers to illustrate the reasons why the devs don’t interact here anymore.

My post had nothing to do with criticism. It had everything to do with expressing that criticism with maturity and civility.




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The dev's dont interact here anymore because they've largely abandoned the mode that 95% of us use for almost 5 iterations now.

They are not stupid. They know we are a franchise community. Why consistently post on a forum looking for feedback when they know what we want. If we were a DD focused forum they'd be here all the time. Not to mention in the last 5 years there social media presence has taken over as the main form of communication.

You just seem to always defend SDS like you are Leonidas of the Spartans. It's in near every thread. Constructive criticism is okay. After all we are here to talk about the game. Not to please the devs so they can comment on a post once a week.

[rkocjay]

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I think we have the right to point our frustration with the lack of attention this mode has received. I always had high hopes for franchise mode over the years but to see it really not progress much in really bad. But I do feel people should still be respectful to the devs and not be too harsh

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[Dolenz]

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Definitely damage control. I just dont think they get it. To say theyre not chasing the money is a slap in the face. Of course they are. It shows in all the updates to DD and RTTS and franchise being left alone for years. This is the first year that i can remember that i will not be buying the game. I will not buy the game until franchise gets some good updates. Ill stick to Madden (which says a lot) and The Show 18

Just as an FYI. Last year they actually removed probably the biggest money maker in RTTS when they removed the ability to buy training points with stubs. That is not to say that they are not also interested in profits but if it was simply all about generating post sale revenues then i doubt that they would have removed that option.

The dev's dont interact here anymore because they've largely abandoned the mode that 95% of us use for almost 5 iterations now.

They are not stupid. They know we are a franchise community. Why consistently post on a forum looking for feedback when they know what we want. If we were a DD focused forum they'd be here all the time. Not to mention in the last 5 years there social media presence has taken over as the main form of communication.

You just seem to always defend SDS like you are Leonidas of the Spartans. It's in near every thread. Constructive criticism is okay. After all we are here to talk about the game. Not to please the devs so they can comment on a post once a week.

Everyone says they they abandoned this forum because it is where the franchise players are. I could see that explanation being true if they were on some other forum posting and interacting with fans. But they aren't. You don't even see them post on their own official forums.

I absolutely believe that they still read them all (here, the show nation, reddit, twitter).

[dalger21]

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I was a huge fan of Destiny 1. It was for the hardcore folks much like franchise is for the "The Show". When Destiny 2 came out in 2017, it catered way too much to the casual gamer and was littered with microtransactions and subsequently alienated the people that actually made the game as popular as it was, including me. This is the same feeling I get with the way The Show is headed with each new release. I don't even play franchise but I feel for the people that feel like they are being left by the wayside. I get it. As a developer, you always want to be able to do different things to make money for your publisher. At the same time, you have to be able to improve on what made The Show great, including updates to modes that are not as popular as the "main modes". Give player options. You will never be able to satisfy everyone but you can satisfy the majority if you try your best and keep the majority of the modes updated and refreshed.