Trade logic

[tabarnes19_SDS]

I admittedly have only spent about 3 hours on sims so far, I plan on really tracking this weekend, but on all the sims I did at first were to look at the financial system at play.

With the new contracts I feared, that like the past it would affect trade logic. From what I have seen so far it has. I am asking if anyone had time to run a few sims.

What I am tracking is two fold. Quantity and salary threshold. The amount of trades is down as was with real contracts in previous games.

I ran tests with live rosters. I then tried a controlled test with osfm and then osfm real contracts. I saw many more trades with default osfm and the quality was better.

Back to the current rosters....I have noticed that the CPU does not value players or trade for players 12 mil or more. This eliminates big trades or even trades for valuable vets. An example is lemehue at 2b. He makes 12 now and is on trade block. The Yankees have two 2b and is never traded. In osfm imported he is traded.

If anyone runs a test can you look to see if any player making 12 mil or more is traded. If they are is it just a salary swap not prospect for player?

I see many.more prospect for prospect trades. I wish it was like 2k where we could adjust trade value.

I'm looking for as much hard data as possible. I want to forward anything on.

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[adamj2281]

Re: Trade logic

Tabernes - yeah same general thoughts with default roster - not a ton of action (I kept the Trade slider at default, may experiment with that). Mostly small swaps, I did see larger salary swaps.

I'm going to run some tests with the updated rosters/prospect ratings and carryover OSFM Franchise as well just at the trade deadline and report back.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: Trade logic

I can live with arbitration and salary numbers leveling out if trade logic was adjusted. Can't see getting invested if teams are not looking to improve and make a push.

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[boxers]

Re: Trade logic

@tabarnes - went through a 5 yr sim with a carryover using OSFM v2 (default contracts). Attached a video below with first 3 years (forgot to record the final 2) Some notes:

- more 1 for 2 or 1 for 3 trades compared to default The Show '19 roster
- frequency is higher initially but seems to level out over time (i.e. by yr 5 about the same as '19 default yr 5)
- some low to mid 80s free agents not being signed by year 5

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[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: Trade logic

@tabarnes - went through a 5 yr sim with a carryover using OSFM v2 (default contracts). Attached a video below with first 3 years (forgot to record the final 2) Some notes:



- more 1 for 2 or 1 for 3 trades compared to default The Show '19 roster

- frequency is higher initially but seems to level out over time (i.e. by yr 5 about the same as '19 default yr 5)

- some low to mid 80s free agents not being signed by year 5

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Similiar to what I saw. They level out after 5 years and are same in frequency because salaries come back to default.

The 2 and 3 for one trades are more prevalent because the CPU see value in vets and can "take on the salary" and value those players. With real contracts the CPU see them as overpaid and passes on them.

You see more prospect for prospect and 1-1 trades to match salary. This is bad because there really is not benefit of being in playoff push. Teams cannot take on vets to help unless they move their vet.



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[bravesfan1984]

Re: Trade logic

Have you done any testing with budgets off?

[MLB14]

Re: Trade logic

Why doesn't anyone on their development team do what you guys are doing?

[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: Trade logic

Alot of stuff like this would be caught at community days.

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[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: Trade logic

After practice tonight I want to take the latest roster. Move players from roster to FA and back and assign correct years. In the past that assigned a default value.

If that works I can make a roster quick to run tests that will have a constant.

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[ML]

Re: Trade logic

I had about 8 trades take place on the 3rd day of my franchise. All mid level - lower level prospects. This is with the slider on 1. I think the same thing used to happen in 18. Not quite sure why though.


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[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: Trade logic

I had about 8 trades take place on the 3rd day of my franchise. All mid level - lower level prospects. This is with the slider on 1. I think the same thing used to happen in 18. Not quite sure why though.


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Looks like teams try to fill needs. I see paxton routinely traded this year. A 91 overall young controllable pitcher.

It's because he's relatively cheap and they trade to fill other needs. That trade shouldn't happen.

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[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: Trade logic

Just ran 4 sims each till July 31. One with live roster one with live roster with scaled contracts to 18 defaults.

Live roster average amount of trades. Avg
April 4
May 2
June 3.5
July 12.5
Total 22
Highlighted trades .5



For scaled contract roster: avg
April 4.5
May 2.5
June 8
July 18
Total 33
Highlighted trades 1

There definently appears to be fewer trades with the real contracts. I see bigger names traded with scaled contracts as well. The rosters do need work though. The ratings seem much lower.

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[Therebelyell626]

Re: Trade logic

I am going to revive this thread. I have had almost three weeks with this game. I have mainly been doing heavy simming and testing of franchise, especially with the new Full Minors to get a feel for the progression based on the new ratings.

I honestly feel condiment enough to say that since franchise mode has been ignored, the show may have the worse trade logic of any sports title today. There is some real head scratchers that really kill immersion. I understand this can be cured with 30 team control but I don't like to do 30 team control. Some of the biggest issues I have seen:

1.) Rebuilding teams trading prospects for overpriced veterans.

2.) small market teams trading cheap controllable stars for expensive rentals

3.) teams to willing to trade top prospects for immediate need. Example: mike leaks 78 ovr 78 pot traded for a young pitcher 21 years old 65 ovr with a 92 pot.

I really think SDS has to bite the bullet and make some updates to franchise next year. No more excuses. The show's franchise is really starting to fall behind other sports titles franchise modes. They really don't have to reinvent the wheel, just refine and smooths over basic mechanics like trade logic, scouting, and drafting and I would be happy

[nickoppel]

Re: Trade logic

I am going to revive this thread. I have had almost three weeks with this game. I have mainly been doing heavy simming and testing of franchise, especially with the new Full Minors to get a feel for the progression based on the new ratings.



I honestly feel condiment enough to say that since franchise mode has been ignored, the show may have the worse trade logic of any sports title today. There is some real head scratchers that really kill immersion. I understand this can be cured with 30 team control but I don't like to do 30 team control. Some of the biggest issues I have seen:



1.) Rebuilding teams trading prospects for overpriced veterans.



2.) small market teams trading cheap controllable stars for expensive rentals



3.) teams to willing to trade top prospects for immediate need. Example: mike leaks 78 ovr 78 pot traded for a young pitcher 21 years old 65 ovr with a 92 pot.



I really think SDS has to bite the bullet and make some updates to franchise next year. No more excuses. The show's franchise is really starting to fall behind other sports titles franchise modes. They really don't have to reinvent the wheel, just refine and smooths over basic mechanics like trade logic, scouting, and drafting and I would be happy

Number 2 and 3 happens in real life as well for example: A’s traded Addison Russell for Jason hammel and Jeff samarzdja. And braves traded Rio Ruiz and Luis Ortiz for Kevin Gausman


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[Therebelyell626]

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Number 2 and 3 happens in real life as well for example: A’s traded Addison Russell for Jason hammel and Jeff samarzdja. And braves traded Rio Ruiz and Luis Ortiz for Kevin Gausman


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I'm sorry. But the A's and braves we're both playoff contenders for the year both trades happened. And Rio Ruiz is nowhere near a top prospect lol. I know the show has him with A potential but he wasn't even in the braves top 20 in any point of his development. A team that is 12 games out of the division and 9 games out of the wild card at the break should not be dumping prospects for mike leake who has 2 years and 26 million left on his deal. There is no amount of drugs you could pump me with to convince me this is a good deal. Also, number 2.) a small market teams like the brewers would never trade christian yellich an MVP with a very cheap and controllable contract for matt kemp and scooter Gennett who is due for a new contract to a division rival. Would never happen in a million freaking years