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  • coach422001
    MVP
    • Aug 2008
    • 1492

    #16
    Re: The Invisible Bat

    Originally posted by MLamm
    Its literally just a replay bug. Been in the game for years. You may be overthinking this one.


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    Fifa suffers from the same thing. I watched a replay over and over and clearly there was an own goal by Vincent Kompany but it was ruled a goal by his opponent. I've seen a number of clips where people slow things down to identify the wonky things that happen when replayed. Sometimes this points to tweaks to sliders that may reduce/eliminate the animation, sometimes there isn't anything you can do about it.

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    • NolanRyansSnowmonkey
      MVP
      • Jun 2016
      • 1354

      #17
      Re: The Invisible Bat

      We go through this every year. It's not really hard to understand why this occurs. If a game plays at, say, 60 frames per second, but the replay is made so you can slow it down to super ultra mega slow-mo.... Then hundreds, if not thousands, of frames per second have to be added, to fill in the gaps, that never existed in the real game.

      These fill-in frames are simply best-guesses, or "artist renderings", of what things should look like in those gaps. They never existed before. Making everything in these 'gap-fillers' line up (down to a fraction of an inch) in all three dimensions is virtually impossible.

      So - it makes sense that the split-microsecond where the bat meets the ball is the one place on the field where any discrepancy with live play will be most easily noticed. (It is guessing at x,y, and z coordinates at 5000 fps - or more...). The fact that they can get as close as they do is amazing in itself.

      The confusion and questions that occur when someone discovers this in replay is completely understandable. However, for those who have been around a while, if you still think that (a) the live game code is built to play at that ungodly level of exact precision, AND (b) despite that ultra-high mega precision, is just "out to get you" with scripted games, we will need to coin a new word to describe you. I also have an MLB team in Hawaii I would like to sell you.
      Last edited by NolanRyansSnowmonkey; 04-11-2019, 12:50 PM.

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      • MLB14
        Pro
        • May 2014
        • 636

        #18
        Re: The Invisible Bat

        Originally posted by MLamm
        Its a graphical glitch when you go into replay mode. The ball isn’t actually going through the bat in real time, it may just feel that way.


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        No, it actually is going thru the bat in real time too. It happens because the game is designed to keep player stats realistic according to their attributes. The pitcher attributes, batter attributes, and game difficulty setting contribute to this.

        It's not a big deal, but it's visually unappealing. There's better ways to handle it visually.

        Most people who start threads like this check the replay cause they feel like their swing made contact. It did but didn't.
        Last edited by MLB14; 04-12-2019, 03:38 PM.
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        • Jaysguy44
          Banned
          • Mar 2017
          • 209

          #19
          Re: The Invisible Bat

          Originally posted by MLB14
          No, it actually is going thru the bat in real time too. It happens because the game is designed to keep player stats realistic according to their attributes. The pitcher attributes, batter attributes, and game difficulty setting contribute to this.

          It's not a big deal, but it's visually unappealing. There's better ways to handle it visually.

          Most people who start threads like this check the replay cause they feel like their swing made contact. It did but didn't.
          I believe you're wrong, but even so how will you prove it? It's a replay bug, in real time it's just a miss. It's like the Schrodinger's cat experiment, is the cat dead or not? Did the ball go through the bat or not?. Or maybe the game works on a quantum mechanical level where it states an electron could spontaneously end up at the other side of the universe, hence the ball going through the bat. Now on the scale of a baseball for this to happen it'll take much longer than the current age of the Universe but hey this is baseball, its magical.[emoji16]

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          Last edited by Jaysguy44; 04-12-2019, 04:56 PM.

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          • MLB14
            Pro
            • May 2014
            • 636

            #20
            Re: The Invisible Bat

            Originally posted by Jaysguy44
            I believe you're wrong, but even so how will you prove it? It's a replay bug, in real time it's just a miss. It's like the Schrodinger's cat experiment, is the cat dead or not? Did the ball go through the bat or not?. Or maybe the game works on a quantum mechanical level where it states an electron could spontaneously end up at the other side of the universe, hence the ball going through the bat. Now on the scale of a baseball for this to happen it'll take much longer than the current age of the Universe but hey this is baseball, its magical.[emoji16]

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            Well, I know some things about 3D graphics and coding.. I just know that in order, let's say, to keep someone like Brett Gardner from hitting 40 HRs in a season, there's math governing the outcome of swings.

            Better example is this. If a pitcher has a high K/9 rating, that will make swings go through balls, so that pitcher will meet that rating.
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            • Jaysguy44
              Banned
              • Mar 2017
              • 209

              #21
              Re: The Invisible Bat

              Originally posted by MLB14
              Well, I know some things about 3D graphics and coding.. I just know that in order, let's say, to keep someone like Brett Gardner from hitting 40 HRs in a season, there's math governing the outcome of swings.

              Better example is this. If a pitcher has a high K/9 rating, that will make swings go through balls, so that pitcher will meet that rating.
              Dude I understood what you meant the first time, I guess you're not a fan of my sarcasm/Simi trolling [emoji16]

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              • Caulfield
                Hall Of Fame
                • Apr 2011
                • 10986

                #22
                Re: The Invisible Bat

                Originally posted by MLB14
                No, it actually is going thru the bat in real time too. It happens because the game is designed to keep player stats realistic according to their attributes. The pitcher attributes, batter attributes, and game difficulty setting contribute to this.

                It's not a big deal, but it's visually unappealing. There's better ways to handle it visually.
                its a glitch plain & simple, has nothing to do with trying to attain realistic statistics. if you take the guys who have mastered Legend, or even HoF, & put them on Veteran level, the kind of numbers they'd put up would make Barry Bonds look like Mario Mendoza & the '27 or '98 Yankees look like last years Orioles. It's up to the user to adjust sliders if their skill level isnt given them a realistic simulation.
                But you are correct in that its visually unappealing. and not a big deal
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                • countryboy
                  Growing pains
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 52813

                  #23
                  Re: The Invisible Bat

                  SDS has said on this issue before (thread linked here) that the ball does not go through the bat in real time/live gameplay.

                  So you can choose to either believe the people who developed/coded the game or some random internet dude.

                  Up to you to decide.
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                  • Jaysguy44
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2017
                    • 209

                    #24
                    Re: The Invisible Bat

                    For the OP, are you just trying to justify that maybe you're not very good at hitting so you'll sleep better at night?. I bat on Legend at pitch speeds at 10 and I don't notice balls going through bats....when i miss I know I miss and there are valid reasons why I missed.

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                    • fsufan4423
                      Stop the Nonsense
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 1071

                      #25
                      Re: The Invisible Bat

                      Originally posted by Jaysguy44
                      For the OP, are you just trying to justify that maybe you're not very good at hitting so you'll sleep better at night?. I bat on Legend at pitch speeds at 10 and I don't notice balls going through bats....when i miss I know I miss and there are valid reasons why I missed.
                      Come on man....He provided video proof of the ball going through the bat. Although it may not be happening in live action, it's not necessary to be sarcastic about it.

                      As for the devs, Even if it was a real issue, I wouldn't expect them to come out and say....sure we coded the ball to go through the bat to keep you in check! They're in the business of making money lol. Although I think its a non-issue, I can't tell someone else what to believe either.
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                      • MLB14
                        Pro
                        • May 2014
                        • 636

                        #26
                        Re: The Invisible Bat

                        Originally posted by countryboy
                        SDS has said on this issue before (thread linked here) that the ball does not go through the bat in real time/live gameplay.

                        So you can choose to either believe the people who developed/coded the game or some random internet dude.

                        Up to you to decide.
                        I don't believe them.
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                        • MLB14
                          Pro
                          • May 2014
                          • 636

                          #27
                          Re: The Invisible Bat

                          Originally posted by Caulfield
                          its a glitch plain & simple, has nothing to do with trying to attain realistic statistics. if you take the guys who have mastered Legend, or even HoF, & put them on Veteran level, the kind of numbers they'd put up would make Barry Bonds look like Mario Mendoza & the '27 or '98 Yankees look like last years Orioles. It's up to the user to adjust sliders if their skill level isnt given them a realistic simulation.
                          But you are correct in that its visually unappealing. and not a big deal
                          Then how would the game respect / honor a pitcher's K/9 rating if your swings are always perfect using PCI batting?

                          Seriously think about it.
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                          • countryboy
                            Growing pains
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 52813

                            #28
                            Re: The Invisible Bat

                            Originally posted by MLB14
                            Then how would the game respect / honor a pitcher's K/9 rating if your swings are always perfect using PCI batting?

                            Seriously think about it.
                            Ok...let me ask you this....

                            So by your explanation, unless I'm misunderstanding, I could take basically a pitcher with a decent k/9 rating and throw nothing but fastballs down the middle on Legend difficulty, and be able to record whatever the number of strikeouts his k/9 rating produces because the ball will go through the hitter's bat to ensure that I get that number?
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                            I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


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                            • Jaysguy44
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2017
                              • 209

                              #29
                              Re: The Invisible Bat

                              Originally posted by countryboy
                              Ok...let me ask you this....

                              So by your explanation, unless I'm misunderstanding, I could take basically a pitcher with a decent k/9 rating and throw nothing but fastballs down the middle on Legend difficulty, and be able to record whatever the number of strikeouts his k/9 rating produces because the ball will go through the hitter's bat to ensure that I get that number?
                              Dude don't try and change his mind, most likely no matter what evidence you provide he's gonna want to believe what he "thinks" is true in his mind....sorta like trying to convince a religious person that there is no God, it ain't gonna happen.

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                              • MLB14
                                Pro
                                • May 2014
                                • 636

                                #30
                                Re: The Invisible Bat

                                Originally posted by countryboy
                                Ok...let me ask you this....



                                So by your explanation, unless I'm misunderstanding, I could take basically a pitcher with a decent k/9 rating and throw nothing but fastballs down the middle on Legend difficulty, and be able to record whatever the number of strikeouts his k/9 rating produces because the ball will go through the hitter's bat to ensure that I get that number?
                                Not the exact number to match his K/9, but that K/9 rating is weighted into a complex equation that governs the outcome of a swing.
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