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[eric7064]

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The reason this happens is because starting pitchers will generally improve in their per 9 attributes consistently regardless of how they perform. Where as hitters progression is much more production based. I had a pitching prospect consistently produce 4.50 era and 1.50 whip per year stat line consistently boost to a 80 + overall after just a few years, while I have had top prospects on a loaded farm team consistently regress because he wasn't hitting home runs.

It is extremely unbalanced and needs work. However, in a test franchise I did with ridins full minors Brent rooker a prospect on the twins smashed 20 plus homers against lefties and shot up plus 10 in left handed contact and left handed power (couldn't hit righties so essentially became a platoon player) in one season. So if your guy hits in the minors they will definitely improve. So while starting pitchers will progress regardless of performance it seems hitters are under a much tighter progression requirement

Yeah I havent tested it, but have noticed that as well. It just always seems pitchers progress MUCH faster then hitters. Hitters come in way low rated and its rare for them to progress fast.

By year 5+ its incredibly rare to see a 23-27 yr old as the best hitter on the team, or even 90+ overall.

I wonder if putting a lower rated hitter in A ball would make a difference since there is no stats, and they cant perform bad?

[Therebelyell626]

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Yeah I havent tested it, but have noticed that as well. It just always seems pitchers progress MUCH faster then hitters. Hitters come in way low rated and its rare for them to progress fast.

By year 5+ its incredibly rare to see a 23-27 yr old as the best hitter on the team, or even 90+ overall.

I wonder if putting a lower rated hitter in A ball would make a difference since there is no stats, and they cant perform bad?

I do stick those younger low rated guys in A ball because they can't regress in A ball. However the also progress a bit slower since they aren't playing any games. However they will progress without regression which is good for those younger guys.

For example a B potential guys in a ball will usually progress around 3-4 attribute points per category. Where as a guys playing in double A or triple A can grow at an exponentially higher rate if, and that's a big if they actually hit. I have seen as high as 10-14 attribute points in a given category. My rule of thumb is I generally will keep all 18 and 19 year olds in A until they are 20 and by then they should be ready for played/summed games. Setting them up not to fail if you will

[moTIGS]

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I’d like to see the distributions of A/B potential prospects nerfed a bit so there was more long-term use of players whose peak was maybe 75 overall.

Would add a lot of depth to long-term franchise playability if we didn’t have a league wholly populated by 80+ overall players after a few seasons.

A good respect with B potential should be someone with multi-time All-Star potential, not just someone who might be a starter. It seems OK right now with position players, but as noted above, pitchers with good attributes and good potential are pretty easy to find. Basically every pitching staff is deep once you get past the first few years.

[Therebelyell626]

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I’d like to see the distributions of A/B potential prospects nerfed a bit so there was more long-term use of players whose peak was maybe 75 overall.

Would add a lot of depth to long-term franchise playability if we didn’t have a league wholly populated by 80+ overall players after a few seasons.

A good respect with B potential should be someone with multi-time All-Star potential, not just someone who might be a starter. It seems OK right now with position players, but as noted above, pitchers with good attributes and good potential are pretty easy to find. Basically every pitching staff is deep once you get past the first few years.

This isn't a problem in the franchises I have seen. I have seen a couple of drafts where the two most "usable guys" were 92 potential and 86 potential. All of the other high potential guys were 6-7 years away from being remotely useful at the major league level. Also i like picking up a few C potential players that are major league ready. They don't improve much but they wind up being very useful players

[moTIGS]

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This isn't a problem in the franchises I have seen. I have seen a couple of drafts where the two most "usable guys" were 92 potential and 86 potential. All of the other high potential guys were 6-7 years away from being remotely useful at the major league level. Also i like picking up a few C potential players that are major league ready. They don't improve much but they wind up being very useful players

I’m talking less about immediate usability and more about in general here.

Sim far enough, and every team seems fully stocked in the majors with players 80+.

At that point, a C potential guy is pretty much not usable at all (unless you want to be at a disadvantage).

[Jeffrey Smith]

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I do stick those younger low rated guys in A ball because they can't regress in A ball. However the also progress a bit slower since they aren't playing any games. However they will progress without regression which is good for those younger guys.



For example a B potential guys in a ball will usually progress around 3-4 attribute points per category. Where as a guys playing in double A or triple A can grow at an exponentially higher rate if, and that's a big if they actually hit. I have seen as high as 10-14 attribute points in a given category. My rule of thumb is I generally will keep all 18 and 19 year olds in A until they are 20 and by then they should be ready for played/summed games. Setting them up not to fail if you will

Does the quality of the farm director have any influence on prospects growth?


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[countryboy]

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Does the quality of the farm director have any influence on prospects growth?


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My experience is no

I personally don’t think managers, coaches, nor the farm directors have any influence on player development. If they do my experience is that it’s minimal at best.

Managers and coaches need to be completely redone but that’s another topic


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[MrSerendipity]

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I won’t draft anyone shorter than 5’9 typically. I don’t have an issue with shorter players. But I find it annoying how many slugging 5’7 outfielders there are in the draft because shorter players shouldn’t be that frequent.


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[countryboy]

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I won’t draft anyone shorter than 5’9 typically. I don’t have an issue with shorter players. But I find it annoying how many slugging 5’7 outfielders there are in the draft because shorter players shouldn’t be that frequent.


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Agreed

And this year seems worse than others in the amount of short players not only in the draft but are highly regarded prospects.

I’m a shorter guy myself so it’s not discrimination lol


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[TheWarmWind]

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I steer clear of anything with low durability, especially position players. Not much point in drafting you if you can only play half the games in a season.

Durability never shoots up like some other attributes do. I've seen guys come out of the draft with single digit durability. Yeah I don't care if you have A potential, you're never going to be useful to an MLB team.

I'm elated about my last draft though (2020). 4 18 year olds all with 85 or above potential.

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[MrSerendipity]

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I steer clear of anything with low durability, especially position players. Not much point in drafting you if you can only play half the games in a season.

Durability never shoots up like some other attributes do. I've seen guys come out of the draft with single digit durability. Yeah I don't care if you have A potential, you're never going to be useful to an MLB team.

I'm elated about my last draft though (2020). 4 18 year olds all with 85 or above potential.

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Dang. You know I've never even paid much attention to durability when drafting as I just assumed it would develop naturally. I'll have to keep an eye on this.

[sandman0023]

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I won’t draft a pitcher who doesn’t have at least 4 pitches. I prefer 5 for any starter and 4 for a RP. I’ll try to convert a RP or SP into a closer. It always bothers me when I only have 2 or 3 pitches to choose from.

[Funkycorm]

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I won’t draft a pitcher who doesn’t have at least 4 pitches. I prefer 5 for any starter and 4 for a RP. I’ll try to convert a RP or SP into a closer. It always bothers me when I only have 2 or 3 pitches to choose from.

Worst pitching combo of 3 pitches are they have a 4 seam, 2 seam, and then a cutter. Zero strike out pitches. That's a no draftee right there even if you will end up with 95 potential...

[Caulfield]

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Worst pitching combo of 3 pitches are they have a 4 seam, 2 seam, and then a cutter. Zero strike out pitches. That's a no draftee right there even if you will end up with 95 potential...

something like that comes up, I leave the 4seamer alone, turn the 2seamer into a sinker and the cutter into a slider

[moTIGS]

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something like that comes up, I leave the 4seamer alone, turn the 2seamer into a sinker and the cutter into a slider

Do pitch types (or control/velocity/break) affect sim performance at all?

I’ve always assumed no, but I actually have no idea.